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#121

Posted 5 days ago

What a mess. I don't see why they couldn't have gone for the Abrams look; those Klingons had appeal. These things? They look like a joke!!


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#122

Posted 22 hours ago Edited by AlienTwo, 22 hours ago.

There have been a ton of released pertaining to the new stuff, but this I think is one of the most interesting and kind of encapsulates all the changes to the Klingons;  I hereby present you all 6 of you the New D'k Tagh (old by its side for comparison):

 

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EDIT: Jesus those are big pics... sorry folks.

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#123

Posted 21 hours ago Edited by Flash525, 21 hours ago.

 I don't have a problem with the Klingon Weapons. It's the Warriors (specifically their appearance) wielding them that troubles me.


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Posted 21 hours ago Edited by AlienTwo, 21 hours ago.

 I don't have a problem with the Klingon Weapons. It's the Warriors (specifically their appearance) wielding them that troubles me.

Did you read the below article?  It talks more about the plans for the redesign and the why (doubtful it'll allay all your doubts, but might get you a touch more comfortable with the possibilities);

 

http://screenrant.co...ns-differences/

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Posted 20 hours ago

 

 I don't have a problem with the Klingon Weapons. It's the Warriors (specifically their appearance) wielding them that troubles me.

Did you read the below article?  It talks more about the plans for the redesign and the why (doubtful it'll allay all your doubts, but might get you a touch more comfortable with the possibilities);

 

http://screenrant.co...ns-differences/

 

 

I read that article yesterday, not from the same place (I don't think) but the text is the same. Either way, it's an excuse, and a poor one at that. Simple having these Klingons from a different house, is, I feel, a cop-out. I still believe it was a mistake not to have this show as a reboot rather than a prequel, at least then the explanation for these Klingons could be justified somewhat (even if they do look hideous).

 

Should have gone with the Abrams Klingons in my opinion; those guys looked menacing. These new ones look cheap and tacky.


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Posted 16 hours ago

a2, you may hate me for this, but right now the Seth McFarland show on FOX is looking the better of the two. I think he 'gets' it where Discovery is more interested in being this dark brooding atmosphere-type show. I hope to be wrong, but CBS seems to have screwed the pooch on this one. /my2

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Posted 15 hours ago

I may not agree, but I don't hate anyone (for their Star Trek opinion, hell it means you love and respect it and have a specific vision for it's success). IDIC.

I too am excited for the Orville, Seth is a huge Trekkie, hell he's even a lucky Trekker, and looks like it'll pay some serious homage to the franchise, like Galaxy Quest did. I can't imagine any comedy filling that specific blank niche in my life though, not the way Star Trek can. I'll admit, the new movies, while great and with an excellent ship design (however screwed on the ratios...) also didn't fill that niche. This Star Trek really speaks to me. When i first saw it, from that leaked image on set, i didn't like a lot of the Klingon aesthetic, looked a little too wiry, too "Chronicles of Riddick" Necromancer-esque, but its starting to really grow on me, I'm getting excited for a deeper Klingon culture and a more realistic view of things. I think it's too early to tell if the writing and story-telling is up to the task of making us accept accept these changes and integrate them into the zeitgeist or not. Failure of that, I'll only hope for financial success so they'll be motivated to try more, new and different Trek. Maybe one of them will ring true... until then, I'm hoping for the best.

As a pallet cleanser:
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Posted 8 hours ago

I'm just finding it all a bit 'Kelvin-y', to be honest - occasional retro throwbacks dotted in here and there, but with much more overwrought design as standard. There's a whole lot of stuff, from the revised version of the Discovery, to the uniforms, that all feels frankly ...illogical. And compared to things like Enterprise and the Abrams movies, it's probably the furthest in terms of reinventing stuff for reinvention's sake, regardless of fitting in with the period they're still trying to sell it as fitting into.

Which is all just cosmetic, sure - but I'm also getting alarm bells going off from things like Lt. Saru. "My people were biologically determined for one purpose alone: to sense the coming of death" - really? :dontgetit:  I know that there's been follow-up descriptions, that his species is effectively a 'prey species' on his planet, and so 'sensing the coming of death' is more just 'really, really heightened senses', and possibly not 'I can predict something like Nagilum suddenly popping out of the ether and frying someone's brain 30 seconds from now'. But I'm wary that what it'll mean in a storytelling sense is simply 'I'm the character who makes grave proclamations whenever the sinister music kicks in, and we need to have someone deliver some expository dialogue about how everything's gone belly-up'.

That, and the Vulcan stuff looks a bit like the hackneyed things in the 2009 movie, and so much of the earlier Enterprise stories (and even in later TNG-era things like 'Take Me Out To The Holosuite', to be fair): Vulcans with 'emotional restraint' conveyed through being 'judgmental pricks', particularly to non-Vulcans. I miss the nuance and pragmatism of Nimoy as Spock - the idea that he's not just either 'emotionless' or just pissy and priggish (something I hated about Zach Quinto's performance in the 2009 film), but just a model of calm and reason, yet still not averse to wry humour, either. There have been other examples of this done right - Tuvok, for the most part, and the whole 'let's undo the damage of the first few seasons' Vulcan arc in the final season of Enterprise (Soval was so much better in that single storyline, and they did a great job with Surak, too). I'm not holding out hope for anything that layered here, unfortunately.  :/

 

 

I dunno - maybe it's the influence of people higher up at CBS, maybe it's Alex Kurtzman or someone else in charge not 'getting' Trek (or not even trying to), but this feels 'off' in too many ways, from the 'let's reinvent the wheel' approach to the look of the show, to snippets of dialogue that don't fill me with confidence about where they're going in terms of story and world-building. At best I'm wrong about the latter, and I'll just have to wince my way through the costumes and sets, and focus on the story beats. But part of me instead thinks that this is going to just completely miss the point of the entire franchise - I really, really hope we're not getting some drawn-out single-storyline thing, where there's no room for more episodic stories that can explore different themes and ideas each time. Which is annoying, because not only is it high time we had a proper Trek series back on the air, but I was so very looking forward to one with a cast of this calibre.


As for The Orville, it looks ...fine, if a little obvious gag-wise - I'm reminded most of A Million Ways to Die in the West, but riffing on Trek (particularly TNG) instead of being a Western parody. As such, I predict it's not exactly going to be subtle - I'm not expecting it to be the next Galaxy Quest in terms of 'not swinging at the easy ones'. Might be funny, might get old fast... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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#129

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Instead of re-hashing all of that, I'm going to cherry-pick a few things: I loved Tuvok but he was the quintessential judgmental prick and seemed more annoyed about everything going on around him than just emotionless.  

 

I read an article about how Saru is supposed to be the "outsider" in the vein of Spock and Data and this I disagree with 100%.. Spock and Data both sought to learn what it was to be human, Data an outsider wanting in, Spock being half human and trying to reconcile that with his vulcan side, very analytical in a deeply personal level.  Unless Saru is for some reason on a quest to also become human, no matter how interesting he may be, he won't fill that role. Even Odo and 7 of 9 both sought to learn about being human for reasons of self-discovery, with Odo it was more "humanoid" but still the main archetypes he described as humanoid were pretty damned human. I could be proven wrong, but I don't see how a developed separate species could seek to believably learn this. It seems to me that Commander Burnham would be a more likely candidate to fill the "Outsider wanting to get in" role, and as her being the focus of the show I think that element will make this feel very much Trek.

 

The "prey species" thing actually set me at ease a bit as the "biologically determined to sense death" was odd, and I hear you on the overly dramatic exposition bit, but what show doesn't need some drama?

 

 

And come one guys, seriously, not even a "like" for that amazing gif??  Savages.

 

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