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Posted 20 September 2015 - 11:51 PM Edited by Journey_95, 20 September 2015 - 11:53 PM.

This is why I don't understand those who say TBOGT doesn't fit in with the rest of IV. If LC was supposed to represent NYC then it nailed the NY nightlife at the time. I can't remember the name but back in the day I actually went to a club that had a floor like Bahama Mama's. All three games in the trilogy capture the atmosphere of their real life counterparts very well. I have seen groups of bikers on the NJ turnpike that looks similar to the Lost.

Its not about the nightlife theme (that one is actually interesting). Its about the story and the characters of Tbogt which just weren't on par with IV and Tlad imho.

 

Its understandable that it wouldn't be as dark as IV or Tlad but we should have at least gotten a great story that you feel invested in and awesome characters that have depth.

 

Instead we got annoying obnoxious characters, lame protag, over the top and silly story line etc.


To the OP:

I have never been to New York so I can't say it for sure. I just know that LC is the best city in all of the games I have played. So much detail and atmosphere


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 05:38 AM Edited by Zello, 21 September 2015 - 05:38 AM.

IV gave us something playable

Sure True Crime NYC was nice to look at but that's just it look at

True Crime NYC was too glitchy and filled with bugs The driving was sh*t and on foot it just looked awkward.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 05:55 AM

This is why I don't understand those who say TBOGT doesn't fit in with the rest of IV. If LC was supposed to represent NYC then it nailed the NY nightlife at the time. I can't remember the name but back in the day I actually went to a club that had a floor like Bahama Mama's. All three games in the trilogy capture the atmosphere of their real life counterparts very well. I have seen groups of bikers on the NJ turnpike that looks similar to the Lost.

Did you by chance go to... Bungalow 8?

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 12:42 PM Edited by PulpFiction, 21 September 2015 - 12:43 PM.

IV gave us something playable
Sure True Crime NYC was nice to look at but that's just it look at
True Crime NYC was too glitchy and filled with bugs The driving was sh*t and on foot it just looked awkward.

The thing I find with real world maps like TC: NYC is it's hard to find anything distinctive about them that makes them stick out. Maybe it might be different for someone who's a local, but all I can remember from TC: NYC is a bunch of streets and buildings.

Even if I left GTA IV for 10 years I bet I'd still know what Chinatown looks like, Hove Beach is a primary Russian neighbourhood etc and it's not like I didn't spend much time playing TC: NYC. I spent hours playing it in 2005/2006 yet now the map is a distant, fuzzy memory to me.

A lot of people say NYC has been done way too much in video games and I agree to an extent, but GTA IV stands on its own by arguably being the most unique as it's not just taking the city streets exactly and copying them. It's R*'s own interpretation.
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Posted 21 September 2015 - 12:46 PM

 

This is why I don't understand those who say TBOGT doesn't fit in with the rest of IV. If LC was supposed to represent NYC then it nailed the NY nightlife at the time. I can't remember the name but back in the day I actually went to a club that had a floor like Bahama Mama's. All three games in the trilogy capture the atmosphere of their real life counterparts very well. I have seen groups of bikers on the NJ turnpike that looks similar to the Lost.

Did you by chance go to... Bungalow 8?

 

They do look similar, don't they.

 

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Bungalow 8.

 

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Maisonette 9.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 01:08 PM

In all honesty I think Maisonette 9 is actually based off Bungalow 8. The idea, the vibe, the location, the name. Even the owner has a cameo in the game!

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 09:05 PM

The thing I find with real world maps like TC: NYC is it's hard to find anything distinctive about them that makes them stick out. Maybe it might be different for someone who's a local, but all I can remember from TC: NYC is a bunch of streets and buildings.


Even if I left GTA IV for 10 years I bet I'd still know what Chinatown looks like, Hove Beach is a primary Russian neighbourhood etc and it's not like I didn't spend much time playing TC: NYC. I spent hours playing it in 2005/2006 yet now the map is a distant, fuzzy memory to me.

A lot of people say NYC has been done way too much in video games and I agree to an extent, but GTA IV stands on its own by arguably being the most unique as it's not just taking the city streets exactly and copying them. It's R*'s own interpretation.

True. It's one thing to have a map that looks like the real place and another that feels like one. LC might not be too faithful, but certainly feels like genuine portrayal of the city. Compressing it allowed to emphasise each district's unique elements, while in bigger map they would just blend too much and special places and landmarks would be just lost in cityscape.

 

The main problem I have with NYC in video games is not just overuse. It's also the fact that since IV, no one captured the city nearly as well. It feels like designers are painters trying to paint Mona Lisa again, instead of doing something different.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 09:56 PM

The club I went to looked more like Bahama Mama's. It had ones of those light up dance floors. I wish I could remember the name but it's been a while.


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 03:38 PM Edited by thafablifee46, 23 September 2015 - 03:41 PM.

As someone who lived in NYC all of their life, i can say that LC is the best rendition. TC:NY was one of my favorite games at the times but looking back on it now, i can say that it had all the streets but most of them were just copied and pasted buildings that resembled neighborhoods in no way. I remember going to my block in harlem and it looked nothing like it irl lol but it was a great game nonetheless.

 

IV neighborhoods arent street to street like TC but north holland still feels closer to harlem. I can go in any neighborhood in algonquin or bohan and tell what part of nyc its supposed to be based on. LC is just THAT good. Sure they left out staten island but they got everything else that mattered ;) (lol jk)

 

off topic, i would love to have a rockstar game set in NYC in the late 70s. There was so much going on with that time, so it would make for an excellent game. Theres this documentary on netflix called rubble kings about the gangs of nyc at the time and it is EXACTLY like the warriors, you all should watch if you're interested.

 

Rubble kings trailer : 

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 06:01 PM

I second the LC in the late 70s. Imagine seeing graffiti covered trains going past or seeing Star Junction infested with sleaze and hookers. They need to throw in a GTA version of Atlantic City in Alderney because that was when the casinos starting popping up.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 08:12 PM

A lot of people say NYC has been done way too much in video games and I agree to an extent, but GTA IV stands on its own by arguably being the most unique as it's not just taking the city streets exactly and copying them. It's R*'s own interpretation.

 

I see what you mean. I do enjoy both True Crime: NYC and GTA IV, but IV's has that edge of iconism (is that even a word/phrase?). It doesn't need to point everything out and have every street ever.

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 01:32 AM

 

A lot of people say NYC has been done way too much in video games and I agree to an extent, but GTA IV stands on its own by arguably being the most unique as it's not just taking the city streets exactly and copying them. It's R*'s own interpretation.

 

I see what you mean. I do enjoy both True Crime: NYC and GTA IV, but IV's has that edge of iconism (is that even a word/phrase?). It doesn't need to point everything out and have every street ever.

 

 

I get this a lot from other games too. For example I could never memorise London in The Getaway, but I'm sure I wouldn't have a hard time memorising a fictionalised London through R*'s eyes.

 

I just find cities that aren't actually the real thing more memorable than a direct GPS representation if you get what I'm saying.

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 08:48 AM

I second the LC in the late 70s. Imagine seeing graffiti covered trains going past or seeing Star Junction infested with sleaze and hookers. They need to throw in a GTA version of Atlantic City in Alderney because that was when the casinos starting popping up.

yeah ,  also add a cbgb's club parody(the birth of punk rock), early hip hop in south bohan and disco in downtown algonquin. Dope fiends on the corner and those boxy yellow caps. i'd absolutely would love that.


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Posted 24 September 2015 - 11:15 AM

 

I second the LC in the late 70s. Imagine seeing graffiti covered trains going past or seeing Star Junction infested with sleaze and hookers. They need to throw in a GTA version of Atlantic City in Alderney because that was when the casinos starting popping up.

yeah ,  also add a cbgb's club parody(the birth of punk rock), early hip hop in south bohan and disco in downtown algonquin. Dope fiends on the corner and those boxy yellow caps. i'd absolutely would love that.

 

Did you know that Rap/Hip Hop started as a result of the 1977 New York City Blackout?


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Posted 29 September 2015 - 08:29 PM

Saying that True Crime NY has a better New York  than IV is saying that True Crime LA has a better Los Angeles than V. Sure, True Crime games have more accurate maps, but cities themselves are poor - same buildings reappearing in different neighborhoods, same pedestrian types in every other corner. I mean, the same building you saw in Harlem will also spawn in Wall Street ( True Crime NYC). Likewise, same house in Hollywood can also be found in Inglewood (True Crime LA). 

 

That's why IV's LC feels authentic, with it's distinct neighborhoods that all have their own vibe. 

 

Of course, real cities are not important in True Crime games, I like True Crime for its martial arts and action, not for discovering sights.

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Posted 29 September 2015 - 10:42 PM

Saying that True Crime NY has a better New York  than IV is saying that True Crime LA has a better Los Angeles than V. Sure, True Crime games have more accurate maps, but cities themselves are poor - same buildings reappearing in different neighborhoods, same pedestrian types in every other corner. I mean, the same building you saw in Harlem will also spawn in Wall Street ( True Crime NYC). Likewise, same house in Hollywood can also be found in Inglewood (True Crime LA). 
 
That's why IV's LC feels authentic, with it's distinct neighborhoods that all have their own vibe. 
 
Of course, real cities are not important in True Crime games, I like True Crime for its martial arts and action, not for discovering sights.


I dont think TCLA even had inglewood tbh. I recall picking up that game after playing SA and wanting to compare the two cities but tcla only takes place in the Beverley hills and surrounding area. Sorta like La noire.

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Posted 29 September 2015 - 10:47 PM

All IV needed was a bigger Broker and Dukes in IV and maybe included a version of Staten Island

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Posted 30 September 2015 - 01:16 PM Edited by Dollarhide, 05 October 2015 - 12:42 AM.

 

Saying that True Crime NY has a better New York  than IV is saying that True Crime LA has a better Los Angeles than V. Sure, True Crime games have more accurate maps, but cities themselves are poor - same buildings reappearing in different neighborhoods, same pedestrian types in every other corner. I mean, the same building you saw in Harlem will also spawn in Wall Street ( True Crime NYC). Likewise, same house in Hollywood can also be found in Inglewood (True Crime LA). 
 
That's why IV's LC feels authentic, with it's distinct neighborhoods that all have their own vibe. 
 
Of course, real cities are not important in True Crime games, I like True Crime for its martial arts and action, not for discovering sights.


I dont think TCLA even had inglewood tbh. I recall picking up that game after playing SA and wanting to compare the two cities but tcla only takes place in the Beverley hills and surrounding area. Sorta like La noire.

 

TCLA  does include Inglewood, East LA and the airport area. But it doesn't include Compton.

 

And speaking of LA Noire - this game does not consist merely of Hollywood and Beverly Hills either. There are also downtown LA  and Santa Monica.

 

Coming back to TCNYC, I'd say that even Mafia games had better versions of New York. Both Lost Heaven and Empire City included their versions of Brooklyn and New Jersey and other NY neighborhoods. TCNYC only focuses on Manhattan. Manhattan alone is not New York City. Even old Liberty City in GTAIII and Liberty City Stories is a better version of NYC, 

 

For me, GTAIV has become synonymous with New York. When somebody speaks of New York, or I see it in movies, or read about it in books, or see music videos shot in NY or hear songs about New York - I automatically think of GTAIV.

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 01:20 PM

This is worth a bump, i been playing Driver Paralel lines, even though the city is fairly big and represents mostly the same areas in IV, is nowhere near so interesting to explore on foot and the quality is not in the same level as Liberty City, the only thing it has over LC is Queens, backalleys and open spaces, otherwise is pretty generic and empty.

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 01:44 PM

I think IV is one of the best, simply because it puts several interations of NY together. You have the excessive crime and general misery of the 70's and 80's, the business practices of the '00's and the nightlife of the late 00's as well.
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Posted 12 December 2015 - 05:34 PM

No way. It's way too samey. It's so grey and there's a lot of copy paste buildings. It's so samey. It all looks the same and it's so depressing. That's my opinion too so yeah. Too samey. So depressing. Los Santos is better. My knuckles are pretty damn fuzzy.

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 05:39 PM

I went to New York yesterday and I kept comparing it to Liberty City. I do think those double decker tour buses would have been a good addition to the game and we should be able to take a tour ourselves.


I think IV is one of the best, simply because it puts several interations of NY together. You have the excessive crime and general misery of the 70's and 80's, the business practices of the '00's and the nightlife of the late 00's as well.

The nightlife is more the 90s and it is dying in real life. TBOGT actually is a love letter to a part of NYC life that was in it's last days.

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 05:52 PM Edited by Midnight Hitman, 12 December 2015 - 05:54 PM.

No way. It's way too samey. It's so grey and there's a lot of copy paste buildings. It's so samey.

Your mum is too samey and grey.

... My knuckles are pretty damn fuzzy.

That's because you touch yourself at night.
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Posted 12 December 2015 - 11:02 PM

I hate the fruity cartoon look of V. No wonder so many girls and little boys love GTA V.


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Posted 13 December 2015 - 12:01 AM

I hate the fruity cartoon look of V. No wonder so many girls and little boys love GTA V.


V's a good game to play in the summer. But IV gives the Fall and Winter months some extra spice.
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Posted 13 December 2015 - 10:52 AM Edited by SonOfLiberty, 13 December 2015 - 10:53 AM.

No way. It's way too samey. It's so grey and there's a lot of copy paste buildings. It's so samey. It all looks the same and it's so depressing. That's my opinion too so yeah. Too samey. So depressing. Los Santos is better. My knuckles are pretty damn fuzzy.

lol.

Never really understood the copy & paste complaint or everything looking "samey". IMO each area/neighbourhood has a very distinctive and unique look.

I actually find games like True Crime: NYC tends to fit that quota, but that's just me.
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Posted 13 December 2015 - 10:58 AM

 

No way. It's way too samey. It's so grey and there's a lot of copy paste buildings. It's so samey. It all looks the same and it's so depressing. That's my opinion too so yeah. Too samey. So depressing. Los Santos is better. My knuckles are pretty damn fuzzy.

lol.

Never really understood the copy & paste complaint or everything looking "samey". IMO each area/neighbourhood has a very distinctive and unique look.

I actually find games like True Crime: NYC tends to fit that quota, but that's just me.

 

Isn't Manhattan 'Copy and Paste' to a degree?


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Posted 13 December 2015 - 11:03 AM

 

No way. It's way too samey. It's so grey and there's a lot of copy paste buildings. It's so samey. It all looks the same and it's so depressing. That's my opinion too so yeah. Too samey. So depressing. Los Santos is better. My knuckles are pretty damn fuzzy.

lol.

Never really understood the copy & paste complaint or everything looking "samey". IMO each area/neighbourhood has a very distinctive and unique look.

I actually find games like True Crime: NYC tends to fit that quota, but that's just me.
 
Isn't Manhattan 'Copy and Paste' to a degree?
I guess it is.

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Posted 13 December 2015 - 11:19 AM

I think GTA IV's rendition of Liberty City is the best representation of New York City IMO. Cultural wise, and accuracy wise. I think that the quality of IV's LC has usurped the other recreations of New York City. Quality over quantity everyday IMO.

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Posted 13 December 2015 - 11:23 AM

Another Liberty City after III, IV & EFLC ? I think sadly not.

I hope so bad they do another rendition of whole NYC in the future, but it probably won't happen.

 

I also wanted to pick True Crime: NYC in here, but after remembering it only covered Manhattan, i'd go with IV.

What i really want to see for GTA VI now is a rendition of Miami, including the off-shore Bahamas and maybe some of the Puerto Rico area.

If they would work on that, i'd wait another 5 years, as long as it will be stunning, big and next generation.

 

So far, only Vice City managed to make a decent rendition of the greater Miami area, even if the map is not too big.

Whatever R* is working on at the moment besides of Online, i hope the next release will be more IV'ish instead of V'ish.

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