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Posted 12 September 2015 - 12:55 AM

Out of all the renditions, GTA IV and True Crime: NYC are almost neck and neck, although I'm leaning on GTA IV's simply because it was more dense, a bit of quality over quantity. There's slight bias I admit seeing as IV came out just two months after my first visit to NYC. Having the city so fresh in my mind really added to the experience and I was thrilled to see how Rockstar represented each major district given the newish generation hardware. True Crime's rendition was great in its scope and for its time, interiors and street crimes that were a sizeable evolution of Streets of LA added to the city's life, but overall the variety and density of IV's map takes the cake.

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Posted 12 September 2015 - 01:08 AM Edited by UshaB, 12 September 2015 - 01:11 AM.

In my opinion, the best representation is definitely in True Crime: NYC. Although it's only Manhattan, the size and scale is so insane for a game of its time, really.

 

Most definitely True Crime's NYC. If we compare what both games managed to pull off in their own respected time period, I feel TC did the best. But in terms of being a rendition to NY, I feel as if TC pulled that off more as well. 

 

I also feel Driver Parallel has a better NY vibe then both.


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Posted 12 September 2015 - 04:10 AM

In my opinion, the best representation is definitely in True Crime: NYC. Although it's only Manhattan, the size and scale is so insane for a game of its time, really.

 
Most definitely True Crime's NYC. If we compare what both games managed to pull off in their own respected time period, I feel TC did the best. But in terms of being a rendition to NY, I feel as if TC pulled that off more as well. 
 
I also feel Driver Parallel has a better NY vibe then both.
Im not sure about that, but whatever.

In a lot of ways LC feels like it's own city.

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Posted 12 September 2015 - 04:12 AM

I can see what Usha is talking about, and I do agree with him, honestly. I don't ever remember having glitches on TC:NYC, but I sure did enjoy the game because of it's large scale. We're talking about a PS2 era game, so I don't see why anyone expected it to be perfect.


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Posted 12 September 2015 - 04:15 AM

I can see what Usha is talking about, and I do agree with him, honestly. I don't ever remember having glitches on TC:NYC, but I sure did enjoy the game because of it's large scale. We're talking about a PS2 era game, so I don't see why anyone expected it to be perfect.

Actually, TC:NY was notoriously glitchy on XBox.
Turns out they put out the wrong build for that system, which explains a lot about all the bugs.

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Posted 13 September 2015 - 07:21 AM

 

I can see what Usha is talking about, and I do agree with him, honestly. I don't ever remember having glitches on TC:NYC, but I sure did enjoy the game because of it's large scale. We're talking about a PS2 era game, so I don't see why anyone expected it to be perfect.

Actually, TC:NY was notoriously glitchy on XBox.
Turns out they put out the wrong build for that system, which explains a lot about all the bugs.

 

For me I played the PC Version, and it ran Good Enough for me. :)


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Posted 13 September 2015 - 06:13 PM

I have lived in both NY and NJ and they got it almost perfectly. You can tell they really did their homework because it captures the feel of NY and northern NJ better than anything else I have ever played. 

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Posted 13 September 2015 - 08:32 PM Edited by Tycek, 14 September 2015 - 06:38 PM.

I believe GTA IV may be actually the best NYC rendition if we take into consideration the feel and soul of Big Apple. Making the whole city street by street would be impossible and simply unnecessary in videogame. True Crime did it for Manhattan and while I really like this game and all the opportunities it had to offer I really have to say that driving through the map was rather tedious. Seeing the same streets all over, looking at the same brownstones and crossing the same intersections were not exactly amusing. And while I have tons of respect for Luxoflux for making it possible to have almost carbon copy of Manhattan Island on PS2, I'd rather change it for smaller depiction yet covering more boroughs of NYC.

 

NYC in Driver Parallel Lines was also quite well made, and it offered similar experience to GTA IV by having whole city and parts of NJ as well. The difference in powers is unfortunately quite visible and the fact that R* put more heart into LC than Reflections to NYC makes in the winner for me.  

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 01:38 AM Edited by .Smaher., 14 September 2015 - 01:39 AM.

IV captured the gritty stereotype of NYC, so I can give it that. I'd say that it's the best rendition.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 02:29 AM

True Crime: NYC felt massive to me, and still does. I also felt that Marcus Reed was a character that helped bring out the feeling of New York, Niko obviously was accustomed to living in Serbia and other places in Europe. So many streets and stores. no matter how repetitve, did a great job at creating a city that was different. It suffered from the same thing L.A Noire's recreation of 1940's Los Angeles had, that it was a bit of a journey, and eventually you begin to get a bit bored with it.

 

IV's story throughout Liberty City is the tourist approach to LC - Reed's story feels much more like we play through the perspective of a native New Yorker.

 

It's been a long time, but I remember having the best experience on the GameCube. It ran beautifully for me. The driving physics caused some glitches, though. IV's clearly the better game, but I feel that True Crime: NYC deserves some credit. It increased my hype when I discovered IV would be set in New York (LC) because of the amazing time I had in Manhattan.

 

Liberty City is more memorable to me, and has more places I like visiting. I often miss Liberty City when I haven't played IV in awhile. True Crime: NYC suffers from a lot of repetition so there's a lot less I got to see. I should replay it.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:14 AM Edited by BlackSnow176, 14 September 2015 - 04:19 AM.

I may be a minority, but True Crime: NYC had the best rendition of New York in my opinion. It was so beautiful and lively, even GTA IV couldn't surpass it. Maybe the graphics weren't as good as they were in GTA IV, but it captured the feeling of NY perfectly.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:23 AM

^^

 

Thank you for that post. Very nostalgic.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 07:34 AM

I don't know... not a lot can take the cake off LC.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 01:56 PM

Hanging out in the Steinway projects in Yorktown Ave is awesome. I'm curious to see the next LC if there ever will be another universe.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 01:59 PM

Hanging out in the Steinway projects in Yorktown Ave is awesome. I'm curious to see the next LC if there ever will be another universe.

Probably - I doubt it would be this good.
If it does appear again, it should be extra safe! Just like real NYC!

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 02:05 PM

 

Hanging out in the Steinway projects in Yorktown Ave is awesome. I'm curious to see the next LC if there ever will be another universe.

Probably - I doubt it would be this good.
If it does appear again, it should be extra safe! Just like real NYC!

 

Unless they Go Back in Time. ;)

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 02:09 PM

Hanging out in the Steinway projects in Yorktown Ave is awesome. I'm curious to see the next LC if there ever will be another universe.

Probably - I doubt it would be this good.
If it does appear again, it should be extra safe! Just like real NYC!
Unless they Go Back in Time. ;)
OOOOooooOoooOoOoooh

With the way the series is going - I doubt they will again for a long time. :(

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 02:39 PM Edited by Official General, 21 September 2015 - 08:11 AM.

Yes indeed it is. In my opinion, it really does feel and look a lot like New York City and New Jersey, I've been there many times. For anyone who lives there or had been there and agrees with me, they will know what I mean. I love the fact it replicates nearly all 5 of NYC's boroughs to supreme near-perfection, not just Manhattan. Star Junction feels like you're actually in Times Square so much. South Bohan is a complete double for the South Bronx. Broker, although smaller than it's real life counterpart, replicates Brooklyn almost flawlessly.

It's the best ever rendition I've seen of NYC and NJ in a video game.
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Posted 14 September 2015 - 03:59 PM Edited by DontSpankMaBitchUp, 14 September 2015 - 04:12 PM.

IV's and True Crime: NYC's rendition is certainly better than this game... (Another classic Rockstar title) ;)

Well, the image failed to show up. I was talking about Midnight Club (the first one). The Twin Towers were actually shown in this game as well.

In IV, I don't know about you all but I absolutely love roaming around the industrial area of Alderney (feels just like south Jersey in real-life) and Westdyke, Alderney is really special too. The atmosphere really gets to me when it's gloomy and raining lightly. I love it! I know some people dislike the dark and gloomy atmosphere in IV but I'm the opposite. I love it. It really sets the mood in IV. The game takes place when it's cold, the weather gloomy and the depressing atmosphere as most call it isn't an insult at all. It's just sometimes everyday life in the big city.
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Posted 14 September 2015 - 06:24 PM

In my opinion, the best representation is definitely in True Crime: NYC. Although it's only Manhattan, the size and scale is so insane for a game of its time, really. IV is great but it's not supposed to map NYC street by street, if that makes sense.

 

Damn you just reminded me of the most amazing game ever set in NYC before IV came out.

 

True Crime really was brilliant, almost forgot about it.


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 08:22 PM Edited by toxluv, 14 September 2015 - 08:23 PM.

I believe it is. I think what made Liberty City so special was the fact that it was designed by persons who truly love New York City, and you could feel the passion they put on it while roaming it: each street, avenue, and neighbor felt unique and diverse, while all the different cultures that populate it made it feel as the capital of the world, just like its real life counterpart.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 08:24 PM Edited by Zello, 14 September 2015 - 08:33 PM.

 

 

 

Hanging out in the Steinway projects in Yorktown Ave is awesome. I'm curious to see the next LC if there ever will be another universe.

Probably - I doubt it would be this good.
If it does appear again, it should be extra safe! Just like real NYC!
Unless they Go Back in Time. ;)
OOOOooooOoooOoOoooh

With the way the series is going - I doubt they will again for a long time. :(

 

70's NYC....

 

Oh baby...

The next GTA whatever they call it and wherever it is better not be modern day


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 11:22 PM

70s NYC is sort of my dream GTA. It is the perfect setting and they can also add on a GTA version of Atlantic City when the casinos first started popping up.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 11:50 PM

I'm pretty sure Rockstar Games will never make a GTA game set in Liberty City during the 70's, but I would love to see (an hypothetical) NY Noire set in those years.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 01:26 AM Edited by Mr. Fahrenheit, 15 September 2015 - 01:27 AM.

Honestly, I'm still fine with modern day GTAs.
But a 70's GTA, a prohibition era Detroit and a modern day Rio/São Palou are up there.

For now, I doubt the HD era will leave modern day, but expect it in the next universe.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 01:27 AM

Off topic, but I'd love to see the True Crime games get the same treatment GTA III, VC, and SA got and get a release on IOS and Android. The nostalgia level would be high.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 02:20 AM Edited by GTAfan8, 15 September 2015 - 02:21 AM.

Well the game is missing Staten Island.

And as someone who grew up and spent most of his life in Staten Island that is a disappointment, sure Staten Island is the least populated and interesting and least culturally important borough of NYC but it still has some things that could be good for a GTA game.

1) Wu-Tang Clan, Northern Shore housing projects more urban areas more gang and drug crimes.
2) Staten Island Ferry.
3) South Shore and Mid-Island Mob run areas. Todt Hill retired Mobsters.
4) Prescription Drug crime and more suburban middle class crime. 
5) Albanian immigrant criminals.
6) Beach areas, mansion areas, wilderness areas without anything going on, suburbs, good areas.
7) This past summer the crime rate of Staten Island had gotten pretty elevated.
8) Stereotypical guidos and Jersey Shore parodies.
9) Staten Island in recent years is becoming more popular.
10) It's a borough of NYC that a lot of New York natives move into later as opposed to Brooklyn or Manhattan which have loads of tourists move in.


Sure all of those things could be addressed with Jersey or South Brooklyn parodies in the game, but Staten Island in the game could have been where all of those cultures could have meshed.


Also the game is missing important sports stadiums and landmarks and neighborhoods that are very important to the boroughs present in the game.

It is missing Citi Field ( Shea Stadium at the time the game was set in ), Yankee Stadium, the Bronx Zoo, the BQE, Fort Hamilton, Madison Square Garden.


To answer the question though, almost every other game that I have played and that I can remember that has NYC or is inspired by NYC in it, pretty much only focused on Manhattan or Brooklyn. So as it woulld seem this game is obviously the best at recreating New York City.


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Posted 15 September 2015 - 11:50 AM

I don't give a crap what anyone says. Yes it was. There may have been larger renditions of New York but this is obviously the most detailed. If you take a close look around the city and then New York via Google Streetview, you'll see how much Rockstar took from that city. 90% of the structures in this game are based on real places in the New York area. I honestly don't care if there are bigger replicas, none of them are as detailed as Liberty City compared to New York City. Same with Los Santos when it comes to Los Angeles.

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 07:01 PM

I don't really remember a game that featured a full rendition of New York City before or even after IV, so yes. True Crime: New York City's rendition of Manhattan was really neat too. 


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Posted 20 September 2015 - 11:27 PM

This is why I don't understand those who say TBOGT doesn't fit in with the rest of IV. If LC was supposed to represent NYC then it nailed the NY nightlife at the time. I can't remember the name but back in the day I actually went to a club that had a floor like Bahama Mama's. All three games in the trilogy capture the atmosphere of their real life counterparts very well. I have seen groups of bikers on the NJ turnpike that looks similar to the Lost.

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