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[SPOILERS] Anyone felt sad for Ferdinand Kemirov (Mr. K)?

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 04:19 PM

Spoilers ahead. (duh)

 

So, I finished By the Book yesterday and honestly I felt really sad for Mr. K aka Ferdinand Kemirov. He was used as a scapegoat for douchebags like Haines and Weston to torture. I didn't feel comfortable torturing him and I'm glad Trevor decided to not kill him in the end even if it means Mr. K will never get to see his family.

 

I don't think he deserved to be treated that way, he's only a minor character but his short appearance still had an effect on me.

 

Thoughts?

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 04:23 PM

I don't what was Rockstar's thinking when they decided NOT to give us any moral decisions for either to torture him or skip the sequence.
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Posted 29 July 2015 - 04:23 PM

I think the torture scene was gratuitous and inconsistent. We see Trevor being an abomination one moment, then the next, he's freeing the guy. Trevor is consistently inconsistent. Yeah.

 

I think this was purely there to show how ruthless Haines was, and how much of a scumbag he was. This is a moment that's designed to truly make you hate the guy and in that respect, it works. But making it interactive was a strange choice, and for me it didn't sit quite right. But then, you're simultaneously assassinating someone, so ...

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 04:28 PM

I don't what was Rockstar's thinking when they decided NOT to give us any moral decisions for either to torture him or skip the sequence.

 

I think it was to force the players to deal with the uncomfortable things they do, and to force them to think about it.

 

I just wonder how many sociopathic children thought nothing of it and went out of their way to try all the implements and giggled the whole way.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 04:29 PM Edited by Ducard, 29 July 2015 - 04:30 PM.

Trevor was forced to act like an abomination though. Haines isn't some average guy he can just kill and walk away. Once Haines left the scene, Trevor decides to free Mr. K, even then he isn't super-duper nice to him. He asks him to leave LS, because, obviously, if the FIB got wind that Kemirov was still alive, Trevor would be dead.

 

But, yeah, it's strange so much thought went into that particular mission, especially considering that most other missions prior to that are quite linear. I guess it was just to show off Haines' douchebaggery character in a bigger light. Still, I felt sad for Mr. K. The next time I'm playing that mission, I'm using the water all 4 times (as it appears to least painful way to torture him). It's an uncomfortable mission IMO.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 05:49 PM

I don't what was Rockstar's thinking when they decided NOT to give us any moral decisions for either to torture him or skip the sequence.

 
I think it was to force the players to deal with the uncomfortable things they do, and to force them to think about it.
 
I just wonder how many sociopathic children thought nothing of it and went out of their way to try all the implements and giggled the whole way.
gee, if you had no fun torturing him then you probably shouldn't be playing the game in the first place
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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:04 PM

If anything, Trevor was doing Ferdinand a favour, seeing as the FIB would be keeping an eye on him 24/7.


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:07 PM

I don't what was Rockstar's thinking when they decided NOT to give us any moral decisions for either to torture him or skip the sequence.

 
I think it was to force the players to deal with the uncomfortable things they do, and to force them to think about it.
 
I just wonder how many sociopathic children thought nothing of it and went out of their way to try all the implements and giggled the whole way.
gee, if you had no fun torturing him then you probably shouldn't be playing the game in the first place
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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:22 PM

It was only a matter of time until there was a torture mission in GTA it was kinda fun actually

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:29 PM

It's not supposed to be a fun mission, it's supposed to be a shock. Anyone deriving pleasure from extracting a tooth with pliers might want to have a think about life. I know it's not real life, but if that elicits a positive feeling in you instead of revulsion, you may not be wired for modern society. 

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:31 PM

Nah, I liked it. It was about time we got a torture mission.


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:35 PM

I felt bad for the guy. Yeah, he escaped death, but the idea of him never seeing his family again...well, that's worse, in my opinion.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 07:42 PM

It's not supposed to be a fun mission, it's supposed to be a shock. Anyone deriving pleasure from extracting a tooth with pliers might want to have a think about life. I know it's not real life, but if that elicits a positive feeling in you instead of revulsion, you may not be wired for modern society. 


Well I know the difference between video games and real life so to me it was just another cool gameplay mechanic something different in the missions
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Posted 29 July 2015 - 07:44 PM

It's not supposed to be a fun mission, it's supposed to be a shock. Anyone deriving pleasure from extracting a tooth with pliers might want to have a think about life. I know it's not real life, but if that elicits a positive feeling in you instead of revulsion, you may not be wired for modern society. 

Well I know the difference between video games and real life so to me it was just another cool gameplay mechanic something different in the missions
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Posted 29 July 2015 - 08:14 PM

Eh. I'm not a fan of Rockstar's political speeches in V, it feels forced to me, IDK why. I didn't feel bad for torturing him because I do believe if you've got to get information sometimes this is the best way as barbaric as it is. I'm not even 100% certain he was innocent, the guy withheld information at first, he very well could have been a spy - but I lean towards him not being a spy.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 09:33 PM

Not realIy, it would be slightly hypocritical of me. Only because i kill peds without feeling bad, he wasn't really much more than a pedestrian to me. Do people feel bad when they run a ped over now? Post rampage distress, killed too many peds and now the guilt is a killer :p I guess the Karen bit is totally fine.
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Posted 29 July 2015 - 10:03 PM

Well TV tropes puts it a nice and logical way - Mr. K was willing to talk but Steve was so vague with words and had little to no patient that they tortured him. I did feel sad but not too much for some reason.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 10:34 PM Edited by TimeLordDoctor, 29 July 2015 - 10:35 PM.

It is a game about killing, I dont see why a torture mission makes it worse? Sure it happens in real life, just as much as your average gta killing spree of driving on the side walks or gunning down people. Im against torture as a method of getting information outta people because its not effective. Anyways im not here to discuss politics, im here to say I dont like torture but i was fine with the mission as it was a cool new feature in the gta world, and I'd do another mission like it in the future, if not worse  :r*:  :karmaeater:  :miranda:  :devil:  :ph34r:

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 10:44 PM

It's not supposed to be a fun mission, it's supposed to be a shock. Anyone deriving pleasure from extracting a tooth with pliers might want to have a think about life. I know it's not real life, but if that elicits a positive feeling in you instead of revulsion, you may not be wired for modern society.

Well I know the difference between video games and real life so to me it was just another cool gameplay mechanic something different in the missions
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Posted 30 July 2015 - 01:06 AM

To be honest, this mission doesn't make me hate Haines all that much for some reason. I know that's it meant to be the deciding factor but because we the player are doing it ourselves I get a confused mixed up message. Either way, I think it showed how messed up the plot and more importantly, shows how lazy the writers got when putting this story together.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 01:44 AM

I didn't like the torture part.

 

I didn't like having a political message in a GTA game. 

 

I didn't like the fact that Trevor brings him to the airport and tells him to leave the country when he's not wearing a shirt and has no identification or money.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 01:53 AM

I LOVE the torture scene and I didn't feel any remorse nor felt sorry for Mr. K.

 

I don't understand why people were closing their eyes on this scene like if they saw a dirty movie for the first time ever. This is Grand Theft Auto, not my little pony or Barney and friends.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 06:57 AM

I felt genuinely disgusted with this mission.

1. With the necessity of having to torture.
2. With the shallow political speech, the opinion of the writer.
3. With merits of delivery, the shock content backfired. People are forcing themselves to like it for sake of appearing edgy.
4. For a sloppy Haines ending, where R* missed a great opportunity to hold the mirror for the player.
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Posted 30 July 2015 - 07:24 AM

I think it would have made for better character development and and have made Haines look even worse if Haines was doing the torturing and Trevor had actually intervened....


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 08:34 AM

This was one of my most Hated Missions in the Game. I'm a Player that doesn't go on Rampages against Civilians, and I constantly wish there were ways of Completing Missions without killink Law Enforcement Officers.

 

Funnily enough, I found an older Post of mine, discussing the same thing.

 

 

I don't know what would of been worse for mr k. The sodomizing or the torture from trevor.

The fact he can't go home again, and must live off the Grid for the rest of his life?

 

 

You Can't Go Home Again: This is the final fate of Ferdinand Kerimov. Once his torture is over, Trevor brings him to the airport and urges him to get out of the country. Since the government expects him to be dead, Mr. K now has to disappear off the grid and leave his family behind.

 

Kind of eery isn't it.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 08:41 AM

Personally I didn't like it. It was disturbing so I did feel bad for the guy. If it had been like a terrorist that killed many people, than I wouldn't mind, but Mr. K felt innocent and he had to leave his family behind. I just used the water or whatevs to torture him.

People may say it is just a game, but Human Centipede the franchise is just a movie, so is the Saw franchise. 


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 08:43 AM

I just use the waterboard since its the least painful.
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Posted 30 July 2015 - 08:45 AM

I just use the waterboard since its the least painful.

 

That was the point of it, too. People say how traumatic is waterboarding and they make a big deal of it - but they don't ever talk about the other torture.


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 08:46 AM

I felt genuinely disgusted with this mission.
1. With the necessity of having to torture.
2. With the shallow political speech, the opinion of the writer.
3. With merits of delivery, the shock content backfired. People are forcing themselves to like it for sake of appearing edgy.
4. For a sloppy Haines ending, where R* missed a great opportunity to hold the mirror for the player.

 
Exactly right, this mission was poorly delivered, pointless and a missed opportunity.
R* could have held a mirror, tell us what we do is wrong. Hell, Haines could have been the big bad antagonist, and his whole shtick near the end was also he had a problem with the protag's merciless killings. That sure, he wanted to save his own ass, but you were doing horrible things as well. Give real depth to our actions. Like the Watch_Dogs ending, where they could have given up you a credit sequence where all the people's names (the people you killed) come up and show you how all the murder wasn't worth it. A waste of possible character development and morality.

Also, yes, I was very sad for Kerimov. Why did T drop him off at the airport with no money, passport or ticket?
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Posted 30 July 2015 - 05:29 PM

The only part I hated was the fact I had to prolong another hand holding mission just BC of Trev's plot inconsistencies. Trevor as we know in the game would of ate him.




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