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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:35 AM

as many may know, bad sport warning for destroying PVs was either f*cked(in a good way) or simply tweaked with patch 1.16

yesteday i was playing and doing some testing and notice that destroying PVs wont yield a bad sport warning or insurance as long as my mental state was low(white).

the moment my mental state turned red, BS/insurance returned.

i dont know it this a feature or some unintended effect, all i know is that its really sweet as it give some incentive to white dot players, as this would give them a chance to defend themselves from lets say reverse drivers without getting punished!

if this is a feature then kudos to R*
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:48 AM Edited by godziller, 29 August 2014 - 10:50 AM.

Good find if true.

Anyone confirm?

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:50 AM

You get zero warning and no cash taken away when you use a buzzard. White or red dot ..

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:56 AM

speaking of mental state,  did they change it drastically?  i was red and on the next day iwas white and after becoming half red again i turned white on the next day again. its either cooling down real fast or i am buggy.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:58 AM

speaking of mental state,  did they change it drastically?  i was red and on the next day iwas white and after becoming half red again i turned white on the next day again. its either cooling down real fast or i am buggy.

 

It's always reset to 0 (white) at about midnight GMT, but only if you're actually playing online at that time.  Maybe they've just got rid of that caveat.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:00 AM

You get zero warning and no cash taken away when you use a buzzard. White or red dot ..

Not true.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:02 AM

i blew up an entity yesterday. me, being a white dot, I didn't got charged anything. I was actually surprised and annoyed enough to pay the price of the car but lucky me I didn't. Maybe it's some algorithm that if red dot attacks white dot, white fights back = no punishment?

i dunno


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:07 AM Edited by Relative007, 29 August 2014 - 11:08 AM.

Jet Cannons and Buzzard Missiles still give me no Bad Sport Warning or Insurance all the time (provided you Destroy an Occupied PV). Although the Jet Cannons are annoying to use now (at least for me) as I am not firing tracer rounds anymore...

 

I will test this in a Minute Carimbo as I had No Mental State when I played just over an hour ago and have no issue raising it!


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:19 AM

Just started Testing on 0 Mental State (this was first Kill).

 

Was helping another player melee attack a Z-type for kicks and when the vehicle de-spawned he hopped into his Jester, I pulled out my RPG and:

 

No Bad Sport Warning or Insurance Paid. 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:25 AM


You get zero warning and no cash taken away when you use a buzzard. White or red dot ..

Not true.
ok you got me. Someone has to be in the vehicle. But than again you shouldn't be going around blowing up empty PV. That's just rude.

Jet Cannons and Buzzard Missiles still give me no Bad Sport Warning or Insurance all the time (provided you Destroy an Occupied PV). Although the Jet Cannons are annoying to use now (at least for me) as I am not firing tracer rounds anymore...
 
I will test this in a Minute Carimbo as I had No Mental State when I played just over an hour ago and have no issue raising it!

that sucks for you. If buzzard missiles netted me a warning I wouldn't do it any more....yeah no I probably continue to rain hell.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:41 AM

So that's what it is! I couldn't figure out why I was able to destroy PVs at will without bs/insurance at will at times and not at others. The mental state tweak makes sense (rubs hands together with destructive glee.)


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:47 AM

guess its time for me to make a youtube video with my finding hahaha

people keep testing and report back!

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 12:15 PM

I've been blowing up PV using buzzard missiles for almost 3 days total. I can tell you the only time I don't get a warning or charged money is when the vehicle is empty .

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:25 PM

Just remember: Not getting a warning doesn't mean you aren't getting BS points.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:34 PM

I've been blowing up PV using buzzard missiles for almost 3 days total. I can tell you the only time I don't get a warning or charged money is when the vehicle is empty .

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 02:44 PM

Just remember: Not getting a warning doesn't mean you aren't getting BS points.


it doesnt work like that...

the only certain thing about the bad sport system
is that a point is added everytime you receive a warning.

under normal circumstances destroying a PV yield a warning(bs point)

quit mission = warning(bs point)

so by pure logic youre not receiving bs points if you dont get the warning.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:29 PM

I STILL don't understand WHY they haven't eliminated BS from the game after they brought in the mental state feature. It makes NO sense to have that lobby anymore when they practically encourage you with filling up the MS meter.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:34 PM

speaking of mental state,  did they change it drastically?  i was red and on the next day iwas white and after becoming half red again i turned white on the next day again. its either cooling down real fast or i am buggy.

 

If you're playing at 12 am - it usually turns white after this time for everyone playing online 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:47 PM

I STILL don't understand WHY they haven't eliminated BS from the game after they brought in the mental state feature. It makes NO sense to have that lobby anymore when they practically encourage you with filling up the MS meter.


Of course it still makes sense. Just because somebody is a red dot doesn't mean they're a bad sport. Killing players and cops doesn't mean you should be stuck with people who do nothing but blow up cars and quit every mission if they're losing

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 04:18 PM

I STILL don't understand WHY they haven't eliminated BS from the game after they brought in the mental state feature. It makes NO sense to have that lobby anymore when they practically encourage you with filling up the MS meter.

Of course it still makes sense. Just because somebody is a red dot doesn't mean they're a bad sport. Killing players and cops doesn't mean you should be stuck with people who do nothing but blow up cars and quit every mission if they're losing
Well if your car gets blown up then your fault for allowing them to plus you don't have to pay for anyway so whats the big deal? And if they quit out on a mission then guess who's not getting paid. It's ironic that a game where you're a criminal awards you with $2,000 for being nice yet will throw you in a separate lobby the minute you get a little reckless. I thought the point of the game was committing crimes.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 04:28 PM

I STILL don't understand WHY they haven't eliminated BS from the game after they brought in the mental state feature. It makes NO sense to have that lobby anymore when they practically encourage you with filling up the MS meter.

Of course it still makes sense. Just because somebody is a red dot doesn't mean they're a bad sport. Killing players and cops doesn't mean you should be stuck with people who do nothing but blow up cars and quit every mission if they're losing
Well if your car gets blown up then your fault for allowing them to plus you don't have to pay for anyway so whats the big deal? And if they quit out on a mission then guess who's not getting paid. It's ironic that a game where you're a criminal awards you with $2,000 for being nice yet will throw you in a separate lobby the minute you get a little reckless. I thought the point of the game was committing crimes.

Your cars will still get blown up and that's fine. It's part of the game. You can also blow up A LOT of cars and it's totally fine. But to get put in BS you need to blow up 50 PV in 24 hours. That's totally different than a person who blows up a few cars now and then... Or even a person who does it pretty frequently.

As far as people quitting, when you quit a race, DM, TDM, parachute, it lowers the payout for everybody. The less players at the end, the less everybody gets paid. So it's a total bitch move, I shouldn't have to play with babies who do that all the time. Same for this, you have to quit ALL THE TIME to get out into bad sport. Anyone who gets put in BS totally deserves it. Mental state is a way of separating players who treat the lobby like a deathmatch, nothing wrong with that. I do that pretty often. But it's nothing like BS, nor should it be.
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 04:42 PM

I STILL don't understand WHY they haven't eliminated BS from the game after they brought in the mental state feature. It makes NO sense to have that lobby anymore when they practically encourage you with filling up the MS meter.

Of course it still makes sense. Just because somebody is a red dot doesn't mean they're a bad sport. Killing players and cops doesn't mean you should be stuck with people who do nothing but blow up cars and quit every mission if they're losing
Well if your car gets blown up then your fault for allowing them to plus you don't have to pay for anyway so whats the big deal? And if they quit out on a mission then guess who's not getting paid. It's ironic that a game where you're a criminal awards you with $2,000 for being nice yet will throw you in a separate lobby the minute you get a little reckless. I thought the point of the game was committing crimes.
Your cars will still get blown up and that's fine. It's part of the game. You can also blow up A LOT of cars and it's totally fine. But to get put in BS you need to blow up 50 PV in 24 hours. That's totally different than a person who blows up a few cars now and then... Or even a person who does it pretty frequently.

As far as people quitting, when you quit a race, DM, TDM, parachute, it lowers the payout for everybody. The less players at the end, the less everybody gets paid. So it's a total bitch move, I shouldn't have to play with babies who do that all the time. Same for this, you have to quit ALL THE TIME to get out into bad sport. Anyone who gets put in BS totally deserves it. Mental state is a way of separating players who treat the lobby like a deathmatch, nothing wrong with that. I do that pretty often. But it's nothing like BS, nor should it be.
Yea but doesn't matter HOW many cars he or she blows up, they still got to pay for it. And yea i do agree with people quitting missions as a b*tch move but honestly, how often does this really happen because most people don't just quit all of time. There shouldn't be a BS lobby especially when you can blow up thousands of NPC cars, kill hundreds of cop and innocent peds but somehow killing other scummy criminals is way worse. Its part of the nature of game if someone attacks you and if you can't defend yourself then oh well. However i do feel that someone quitting shouldn't effect the payouts at all because thats honestly unfair.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 04:57 PM

I STILL don't understand WHY they haven't eliminated BS from the game after they brought in the mental state feature. It makes NO sense to have that lobby anymore when they practically encourage you with filling up the MS meter.

Of course it still makes sense. Just because somebody is a red dot doesn't mean they're a bad sport. Killing players and cops doesn't mean you should be stuck with people who do nothing but blow up cars and quit every mission if they're losing
Well if your car gets blown up then your fault for allowing them to plus you don't have to pay for anyway so whats the big deal? And if they quit out on a mission then guess who's not getting paid. It's ironic that a game where you're a criminal awards you with $2,000 for being nice yet will throw you in a separate lobby the minute you get a little reckless. I thought the point of the game was committing crimes.
Your cars will still get blown up and that's fine. It's part of the game. You can also blow up A LOT of cars and it's totally fine. But to get put in BS you need to blow up 50 PV in 24 hours. That's totally different than a person who blows up a few cars now and then... Or even a person who does it pretty frequently.

As far as people quitting, when you quit a race, DM, TDM, parachute, it lowers the payout for everybody. The less players at the end, the less everybody gets paid. So it's a total bitch move, I shouldn't have to play with babies who do that all the time. Same for this, you have to quit ALL THE TIME to get out into bad sport. Anyone who gets put in BS totally deserves it. Mental state is a way of separating players who treat the lobby like a deathmatch, nothing wrong with that. I do that pretty often. But it's nothing like BS, nor should it be.
Yea but doesn't matter HOW many cars he or she blows up, they still got to pay for it. And yea i do agree with people quitting missions as a b*tch move but honestly, how often does this really happen because most people don't just quit all of time. There shouldn't be a BS lobby especially when you can blow up thousands of NPC cars, kill hundreds of cop and innocent peds but somehow killing other scummy criminals is way worse. Its part of the nature of game if someone attacks you and if you can't defend yourself then oh well. However i do feel that someone quitting shouldn't effect the payouts at all because thats honestly unfair.

Agreed

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 05:06 PM

It still seems to give you BS warning/insurance if the car is parked/no one in it. I tried wrecking a parked PV, got warning/insurance. Two seconds later, wrecked a PV passing by, no BS warning/insurance.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 05:14 PM

 

 

I STILL don't understand WHY they haven't eliminated BS from the game after they brought in the mental state feature. It makes NO sense to have that lobby anymore when they practically encourage you with filling up the MS meter.

Of course it still makes sense. Just because somebody is a red dot doesn't mean they're a bad sport. Killing players and cops doesn't mean you should be stuck with people who do nothing but blow up cars and quit every mission if they're losing
Well if your car gets blown up then your fault for allowing them to plus you don't have to pay for anyway so whats the big deal? And if they quit out on a mission then guess who's not getting paid. It's ironic that a game where you're a criminal awards you with $2,000 for being nice yet will throw you in a separate lobby the minute you get a little reckless. I thought the point of the game was committing crimes.

 

 

When you commit crimes, in this case quitting early or blowing up PV's, you get thrown in jail. Welcome to Bad Sport.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:41 PM

I STILL don't understand WHY they haven't eliminated BS from the game after they brought in the mental state feature. It makes NO sense to have that lobby anymore when they practically encourage you with filling up the MS meter.

Of course it still makes sense. Just because somebody is a red dot doesn't mean they're a bad sport. Killing players and cops doesn't mean you should be stuck with people who do nothing but blow up cars and quit every mission if they're losing
Well if your car gets blown up then your fault for allowing them to plus you don't have to pay for anyway so whats the big deal? And if they quit out on a mission then guess who's not getting paid. It's ironic that a game where you're a criminal awards you with $2,000 for being nice yet will throw you in a separate lobby the minute you get a little reckless. I thought the point of the game was committing crimes.
Your cars will still get blown up and that's fine. It's part of the game. You can also blow up A LOT of cars and it's totally fine. But to get put in BS you need to blow up 50 PV in 24 hours. That's totally different than a person who blows up a few cars now and then... Or even a person who does it pretty frequently.

As far as people quitting, when you quit a race, DM, TDM, parachute, it lowers the payout for everybody. The less players at the end, the less everybody gets paid. So it's a total bitch move, I shouldn't have to play with babies who do that all the time. Same for this, you have to quit ALL THE TIME to get out into bad sport. Anyone who gets put in BS totally deserves it. Mental state is a way of separating players who treat the lobby like a deathmatch, nothing wrong with that. I do that pretty often. But it's nothing like BS, nor should it be.
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