Hey everyone, just wondering what people's thoughts are on the "Illegal Immigration Crisis" going on at the southern border with Mexico? I've been keeping on eye on the issue lately and I am very against Obama giving amnesty for a few reasons:
1. They are a very big burden on the economy, especially with the numbers they are coming in. They are costing massive amounts of taxpayer's dollars and lowering the standard of living. They are receiving heaps of free stuff; including healthcare, schooling, housing etc. Most of them are highly unskilled, and contribute almost nothing to the economy. This is just making more people on welfare, creating more of a burden for the average working class American.
2. They say it's "poor children", but majority of these people are 14-17 year old males, and most are connected to gangs. This massive border across North America is open and vulnerable, and the whole world knows it. Ofcourse gangs and terrorists groups are taking advantage of this, and Texas ranchers have found evidence for it. It doesn't matter how bad the people of Central America have it, the people of the USA are under threat, it's a national security issue.
3. These people are also bringing in deadly diseases, and how would you feel if a illegal child was sent to your American kid's school? It's putting the people of America at risk. And it's not just in the border states of California or New Mexico in danger; the illegals are getting sent all around America, putting everyone at risk. And if the issue wasn't serious, why would doctors and nurses be threatened to not speak out about it.
4. The USA has gone from 9 trillion dollars in debt to 17 trillion while Obama's administration has been in power. America is not in the position to help out everyone else. Clean up your own yard before offering hands to your neighbours, simple.
5. Why should these people get better treatment than those already living in America struggling. Estimates in 2012 say 16% of Americans live in poverty, up from 14.3% in 2009. Help them first, where's their free handouts from the government that the illegals get?
6. And the last reason; the most oblivious one. By entering the country illegally, they are breaking the law. They should be deported, correct? America is a country of laws, and they should be followed.
I'm sure there would be more points but these are the ones I could think of on top of my head. I'd like to hear what other people have to say, considering I swing more to the right-wing/Republican side. But I do feel this is a serious issue for America, whether you swing left or right, it effects everyone.
1. Statistics from somewhere please. The kind of welfare you're talking about isn't the drain on the economy that you think it is. Corporate welfare takes a bigger slice out of your dollar than the SNAP program ever will. The largest, wealthiest, most powerful corporations are on the public teat. Boeing takes in 13 billion in government handouts but single mothers and immigrants are to blame? IIRC, illegals can receive schooling and emergency medical care but not welfare or SNAP benefits. Also, if I'm an undocumented immigrant I pay sales tax on everything I buy and property tax on my home, too. We'd be better off debating this with a couple charts so I'll come back to this.
2. Not just politically incorrect but incorrect. That's a blanket statement that you can't toss out there without some sort of verification. I agree with you that the border should be secured. Not sure I've seen any conclusive evidence about terrorist activities but our national security depends on what might happen, not what is already happening. I would be in favor of making illegal immigration easier, spreading more education about how immigration actually affects our country, and securing the border as a 3 point broad immigration plan but I don't think we're even going to get a single bill passed. And yes it does matter how badly the people of Central America have it. We plundered Central America for profit and geopolitical interests during the Cold War and our country's ever-growing drug demand fuels the black market that has put their countries in danger and costs millions of lives. The drug war is a major causation here and it spreads as far as resort islands off the coast of Belize, where our deported Belizean immigrants who were deported for selling drugs brought the bloods and crips to a resort town and started torturing and murdering people. I'm getting off topic but OUR war on drugs has accelerated this crisis tremendously and I believe we should care MORE about what happens in our geographical sphere from a humanitarian perspective.
3. How would I feel if an illegal child went to my school? I grew up with it. They got the short end of the stick, I didn't. Imaginary smallpox isn't going to hurt you and your children, a tick borne illness will.
4. Would you apply this mantra to the wars in the Middle East? Our own backyard isn't going to be cleaned up as long as there's gridlock. My good friend Tony was a secretary under New Jersey's pre-Christie governor and as he said to me, "Obama and Boehner need to sit down, have a long drink, a long smoke, and come to a compromise." Of course that's never going to happen, but obstruction and the divergence on the political spectrum of our two parties is to blame. And the media fanning the flames of discontent for more viewers. Immigration reform (making it easier for immigrants to immigrate, become legal) would be cleaning up our own backyard because this is part of the mess no?
5. This rise (haven't verified) is because of rising income inequality that is exacerbated by corporate welfare, spending on stupid things, a lack of caring on capitol hill. Immigrants aren't getting welfare man.
6. Good question. Let's be pragmatic and see how much it would cost.
Discrimination also tends to follow immigration. My #1 political issue is equal treatment for all. The "Liberty and Justice for all" in the Pledge of Allegiance has always appealed to me as a mantra for America. A Mexican immigrant with an O1 Visa is more likely to get deported than Justin Bieber, who has numerous felonies on his record and also has an O1. An O1 by the way is for those with significant talents in arts or science. Hate crimes still happen. I'll never forget when I lived in Long Island, New York, a haven for immigrants because of all the construction and service industry jobs, the ugliness between working class white fishermen and working class immigrants. A fisherman's son chased an immigrant's son with a chainsaw and threatened to kill him for taking jobs. Ultimately what the country needs is understanding. But in our schools, we don't teach children how the world works and we don't educate them on the problems the society they will grow up in will face. I don't see why we dont' teach kids about immigration, healthcare, and the economy instead of calculus and f*cking earth science so they can vote intelligently. And in our news media you can't expect to get unbiased perspective on anything. So ultimately what we have is a discriminatory camp who is scared for American jobs but doesn't really know why, and a kneejerk reactionary camp that just shouts "This nation was founded by immigrants", which to me is just hollow.
What a lot of conservatives don't realize is big business, which is closely tied to the establishment Republican party really, really wants immigration reform because for them it means saving some costs on labor. This is why Eric Cantor was trying to get immigration reform passed. The anti-immigration right is anti-immigration for one of 3 reasons. They strongly want to go against the left wing, they strongly believe terrorists will come through the Mexican border, or they're threatened economically (usually this is the lower class). Frankly I don't see how ANY reform could be worse than what we already have. We barely have an immigration system because we refuse to update it. People living off the grid. Detention homes. Difficulty emigrate legally and facing discrimination when one then decides to immigrate illegally. If anyone is familiar with Cesar Chavez, the plight of the strawberry workers in California hasn't gotten any better.
There's also the elephant in the room. The effect of the drug trade on violence in Central America and consequently, immigration to America. But many feel that spending MORE resources on the war on drugs is somehow going to help this issue.