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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:12 AM

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This playful little mixed breed pit was my brother-in-law's dog, Ronin who he rescued from the edge of death and homelessness10 years ago. One of the sweetest dogs I've ever had the privilege of meeting. Last night, Ronin was shot and killed by a Cedar Park, TX police officer where they live because he escaped the backyard to go play. Being a pit mix, he was of course automatically deemed "aggressive" by the officer who didn't hesitate to shoot first and ask questions later. Afterwards the officer stood and just watched as Ronin lay twitching on the ground not yet dead from it's two consecutive gunshots to the head. Anyone who has ever met this dog would know aggressive and Ronin do not belong in the same sentence. He wasn't even given a chance, stereotyped, and murdered. My heart hurts for my him and all of those who loved him. 

 

I typically don't share anything like this here as we've all seen stories like this becoming more and more prevalent in the last year - this one just hits a little closer to home than I would have liked. I myself grew up with a pit who had no incidents of violence but was thrown into an animal control shelter for two weeks because a teenager  ran through our back yard and got his shoe bit. These are a great but misunderstood breed but beyond that over-zealous officers who abuse their station with such impunity need as much exposure as we can afford them.

 

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:18 AM

This is terrible. I sincerely hope that officer who shot your dog rots in hell.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:23 AM

If i saw a pitbull running towards me i would shoot it too. I cant tell if the dog will attack or if it will be friendly until its right beside me.
And it is kind of the owner's fault for not having the right safety precautions.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:30 AM

 

Being a pit mix...

.....Anyone who has ever met this dog would know aggressive and Ronin do not belong in the same sentence.

There's the issue.

The officer nor anyone who is not responsible for this dog would have any idea if he's friendly or aggressive. 

 

As sad this must be for your family to lose an esteemed pet, many have also lost loved ones because of dog attacks... your family should have been more responsible to prevent his escape.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:32 AM

For one, it would have been better if the officer fired a warning shot first. Since the dog wasn't aggressive after all.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:49 AM

For one, it would have been better if the officer fired a warning shot first. Since the dog wasn't aggressive after all.

where would he shoot though? Into the ground? I shot the dog running at me sounds a little better than i shot the ground beside the dog to hopefully scare the dog into not mauling me
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:56 AM

http://www.peta.org/international/

is this the site you where after

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:02 AM

Those who shoot animals are psychopaths, pure and simple. In my opinion, dogs and cats are infinitely much better than most people.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:03 AM Edited by WhatsStrength, 25 July 2014 - 04:15 AM.

What prompted the response in the first place? I'm not going to outright bash the officer if I don't have the objective account of why he shot it.

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Alright, I read the link and it says the dog charged him. I don't blame him for reacting, but I also think he should have handled it differently. I probably would have just shoved or kicked the dog, not shoot it. I had a pit bull come up to my dog and I once before as we were walking, and it started growling and wrestling with my dog so I kicked it aside and it scurried off.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:09 AM

 

For one, it would have been better if the officer fired a warning shot first. Since the dog wasn't aggressive after all.

where would he shoot though? Into the ground? I shot the dog running at me sounds a little better than i shot the ground beside the dog to hopefully scare the dog into not mauling me

 

 

Where did he state that the dog was coming to maul the officer?


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:14 AM

Where did he state that the dog was coming to maul the officer?

I doubt the officer just shot the dog simply because.

 

And again, all this could've been avoided had better restrictions preventing the dog's escape been in place.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:18 AM

I doubt the officer just shot the dog simply because.

 

Why's that? Cops have done worse simply because.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:33 AM

You really think Dogs are at the top of their list?

 

But anyway, there's no real way to tell the actual truth. The cop may have been a dick or he may have been seconds from being attacked; we don't know.

 

What we do know, is that the dog should not have been left astray.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:49 AM

Just like the 47 Ronin before him, I too hope Ronin gets justice.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:02 AM

What we do know, is that the dog should not have been left astray.

 

Yeah that's true but we'll wait and see.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:16 AM

You really think Dogs are at the top of their list?

No, I'm saying there's a precedent for cops shooting/killing people or their pets for no apparent reason at all.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:30 AM Edited by WhatsStrength, 25 July 2014 - 05:33 AM.


You really think Dogs are at the top of their list?

No, I'm saying there's a precedent for cops shooting/killing people or their pets for no apparent reason at all.

And you're talking about not even a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of cops out there, so what's your point? I hate when people like you use incidents like this as rhetoric in your anti-cop campaigns.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:44 AM

 

 

You really think Dogs are at the top of their list?

No, I'm saying there's a precedent for cops shooting/killing people or their pets for no apparent reason at all.

And you're talking about not even a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of cops out there, so what's your point?

 

That we shouldn't just assume the cop was at all in danger, and that he may very well have killed the dog for no real reason--or because he's an incompetent moron. There's no evidence to substantiate his claims, and no reason to trust cops at all.

 

In any event, if the cops had left this to animal control, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:47 AM

As much as I love animals, you can't blame a cop for trying to defend himself. I know my dad got shot at when he was trying to raise his hands to surrender or something and he ended up getting shot because he was still holding his revolver while he was putting up his hands.

You can't be too careful nowadays, but you have to think before you do whatever.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:57 AM Edited by WhatsStrength, 25 July 2014 - 05:58 AM.

You really think Dogs are at the top of their list?

No, I'm saying there's a precedent for cops shooting/killing people or their pets for no apparent reason at all.
And you're talking about not even a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of cops out there, so what's your point?
That we shouldn't just assume the cop was at all in danger, and that he may very well have killed the dog for no real reason--or because he's an incompetent moron. There's no evidence to substantiate his claims, and no reason to trust cops at all.
 
In any event, if the cops had left this to animal control, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
"no reason to trust cops at all"? Why do you hate them so much? You may as well be replacing "cops" with any given group of people because you've done nothing to prove they're any less trustworthy than any other group.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:57 AM

He shouldn't have used a pistol though. Should have used something less lethal.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:19 AM

Of course, cops got nothing better to do than go shooting dogs for the sake of it. Animals can be unpredecible, the dog could have attacked the officer but you people had rather if the guy had got injured or killed by the animal but let the dog alive.

And before anybody says "but the owner said it wasn't a dangerous dog...", how the hell would the cop know about it? If you saw a cougar running towards you, would you shoot or wait till it jumped on you only to check if it was actually hostile?

I love how animal lovers bitch so much when a dangerous breed dog is killed in a self defense act and don't seem to care when an innocent person does. Oh, but yeah, a dog's life is more preciable than another human being's like you.
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:22 AM Edited by Vercetti42, 25 July 2014 - 06:22 AM.

We don't know whether dog was running to the officer though. He may have killed it for no reason. Who knows?

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:24 AM

Why would he do that?

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:36 AM

In any event, if the cops had left this to animal control, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

If the dog was kept safely at home rather than left unattended enough that he managed to escape...we wouldn't need neither animal control nor the cops.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:37 AM

Why would he do that?

 

Maybe he was not in his right mind or something... I'd like to see a more detailed description from Meta187. :)


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:41 AM

Why would he do that?

 
Maybe he was not in his right mind or something... I'd like to see a more detailed description from Meta187. :)

And that'd be far more reasonable than self defense, right?
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:52 AM

For one, it would have been better if the officer fired a warning shot first. Since the dog wasn't aggressive after all.

When a weapon is drawn it means there is a deadly threat. The intent is to kill the aggressor. Believe it or not Attack dogs (pit bulls, shepherds, etc.) are trained to go for the gun, not retreat. Noise does not 'scare' dogs. It would be gross misconduct or even reckless behaviour to not shoot at the threat.
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:05 AM

Having a police officer dispatched to respond to a call of a dog running loose, let alone him shooting the dog in the skull with a real gun seems quite excessive. Especially considering there is such a thing as Animal Control in the states, which in all likelihood would have at the very least attempted to catch him with a pole or if all else were to fail (which would surprise me considering the dog in question was domesticated), shoot him with a tranquilliser dart. 

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:08 AM

He shouldn't have used a pistol though. Should have used something less lethal.

 

Funny you say that.

 

When the neighbor ran out out and said, "We know this dog, you should have used a taser" the officer flatly replied, "Yea but I didn't" but sure keep playing devil's advocate here to seem contrary and edgy. The 2nd officer even told them he couldn't comment on the first officer but admitted he would have handled it differently.

 


"It was agonizing, the pain that the dog was going through which was really the part that was really bothering me. Because he shot it twice and he just sat there and stared at it. I asked him why and...he goes 'well I thought that he was coming after me,'" Baca said.

 

And for the record the dog had been placed inside the backyard of the owners home, Ronin like many curious dogs pushed his way out and hadn't even roamed two houses away from their yard. The owners didn't even know he'd gotten free until the shots were fired. If you're a dog owner, be it a inside or outside dog you know that occasionally dogs tend to try and take off or explore their area it's not unusual - it doesn't warrant them being put down 20 paces from your home because a jumpy officer can't handle his sh*t or worse was simply looking for an excuse to pull out his pistol.

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