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#1

Posted 20 July 2014 - 09:47 AM Edited by SimsDaniel916, 20 July 2014 - 09:37 PM.

As some may have unfortunately seen, a troll account posted multiple Topics which contained a page full of gay pornography in the form of GIFs. This was posted in the GTA: Online Section.

 

Due to multiple members posting replies such as, "OMG" or "You need help!" etc. these graphic troll topics remained as the top two Topics in the Online Section for a little over ten minutes.

 

Unfortunately, Trolls like this come with the territory of Forums and I know that the GTA Forums staff do a great job at keeping them away so everyone else can have a pleasant time on the forums. The problem here is that members rush to reply to troll topics such as these keeping them bumped to the top of the list which results in more people seeing said troll topics. 

 

Not sure how this can be done so I'm just throwing it out there but if anyone could put something together that would in any prevent so many  users from replying to these troll topics, it would help in preventing them from being seen by so many people. 

 

For example:

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Like to throw in that I know that this is in no way fault of staff. I understand that moderators can't be viewing every topic 24/7.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:28 AM

The troll mentioned above managed to make a new account and with that post more topic containing gay pornography.

 

Of course, a member replied to this topic with "rofl" bringing it right to the top of the forums for everyone to see. 


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:28 AM

There's no way a code can separate legit threads, and troll threads so it's all up to the users unfortunately.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:29 AM

Unfortunately some people are idiots, and think by replying to an obvious troll topic, they are putting down the troll when in fact they are doing the exact thing the troll is looking for.  This forum can't stop people from being idiots.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:30 AM Edited by SimsDaniel916, 20 July 2014 - 10:32 AM.

There's no way a code can separate legit threads, and troll threads so it's all up to the users unfortunately.

That I unfortunately understand. What I'm proposing is perhaps a pinned Topic that simply says "STOP replying to troll threads." or maybe stricter enforcement for those that continue to do this.

 

This has been happening overwhelmingly in the last few weeks. I fail to understand why so many people must bump these troll topics just to say things like "rofl" or "OMG".

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:31 AM

 

That I unfortunately understand. What I'm proposing is perhaps a pinned Topic that simply says "STOP replying to troll threads."

 

This has been happening overwhelmingly in the last few weeks. I fail to understand why so many people must bump these troll topics just to say things like "rofl" or "OMG".

 

 

There's a few users that'll only take that as more incentive to respond to such threads. Unfortunately.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:32 AM

There's no way a code can separate legit threads, and troll threads so it's all up to the users unfortunately.

That I unfortunately understand. What I'm proposing is perhaps a pinned Topic that simply says "STOP replying to troll threads."
 
This has been happening overwhelmingly in the last few weeks. I fail to understand why so many people must bump these troll topics just to say things like "rofl" or "OMG".


There are already enough pinned threads in the online section, and they want to limit the amount of them as well so it doesn't turn into this.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:34 AM Edited by SimsDaniel916, 20 July 2014 - 10:37 AM.

 

 

That I unfortunately understand. What I'm proposing is perhaps a pinned Topic that simply says "STOP replying to troll threads."

 

This has been happening overwhelmingly in the last few weeks. I fail to understand why so many people must bump these troll topics just to say things like "rofl" or "OMG".

 

 

There's a few users that'll only take that as more incentive to respond to such threads. Unfortunately.

 

 

Then perhaps those few users need to take a hit from a mods ban hammer if they chose to refuse to listen.

 

 

 

There's no way a code can separate legit threads, and troll threads so it's all up to the users unfortunately.

That I unfortunately understand. What I'm proposing is perhaps a pinned Topic that simply says "STOP replying to troll threads."
 
This has been happening overwhelmingly in the last few weeks. I fail to understand why so many people must bump these troll topics just to say things like "rofl" or "OMG".

 


There are already enough pinned threads in the online section, and they want to limit the amount of them as well so it doesn't turn into this.


 

Then that leaves stricter enforcement for these idiotic post bumps.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:36 AM

Best thing to do is report the post and wait.
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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:42 AM

Ironically, the same user I was referring to above as the one who bumped one of the porn topics with "rofl" created a topic on how we except violence but not the sex that was shown to us.  :facedesk:


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:18 AM

I think one way to fight this problem would be to start sending out reminders (issuing a member log entry) to everyone that replies to these spam topics. I remember that this was done by a couple of staff members in 2012 (Andrew was one of them). The reminder would contain a note that tells the user to not reply to spam topics, to report instead and move on. While that is time consuming, I think that is the most effective way to let everyone know that replying to spam is just as bad as the spam itself. Obviously, being caught a second or even a third time should then result in a warning.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:51 PM

Common sense is really what's needed.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:38 PM

Just ban people replying to these threads. That'll teach them.

Common sense is not as common as its name implies.
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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:01 PM

Just ban people replying to these threads. That'll teach them.

Common sense is not as common as its name implies.


That would make Azazel happy.
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:09 AM Edited by SimsDaniel916, 22 July 2014 - 09:20 AM.

Gay Porn troll is back and sure enough within ten minutes just ONE of the many porn topics received 14 replies with "LOL" and "WOW" replies. 

 

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:58 AM

They're just the clowns who feel the need to reply to everything. Common sense tells them to report them, but their stupidness tells them to reply. Unfortunately, 90% of them listen to the stupidness inside them.

Report the thread, and don't check back. That's all you can do.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 12:55 PM

But Franceska, reporting doesn't make my post count go up!

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 03:40 PM

In my opinion, the problem is that most mods are within a specific time zone, which makes it harder to moderate during the time most trolls/spam posters are active. Shouldn't there be mods active during different time zones?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 03:51 PM

In my opinion, the problem is that most mods are within a specific time zone, which makes it harder to moderate during the time most trolls/spam posters are active. Shouldn't there be mods active during different time zones?


There are plenty of mods that have different timezones than others, but they may not be able to visit the forum. :)

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 04:07 PM

 

In my opinion, the problem is that most mods are within a specific time zone, which makes it harder to moderate during the time most trolls/spam posters are active. Shouldn't there be mods active during different time zones?


There are plenty of mods that have different timezones than others, but they may not be able to visit the forum. :)

 

True, but having more mods over different time zones would maybe help dealing with the trolls/spammers.

 

Just my opinion.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 04:28 PM

 

 

In my opinion, the problem is that most mods are within a specific time zone, which makes it harder to moderate during the time most trolls/spam posters are active. Shouldn't there be mods active during different time zones?


There are plenty of mods that have different timezones than others, but they may not be able to visit the forum. :)

 

True, but having more mods over different time zones would maybe help dealing with the trolls/spammers.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

And they do, someone just needs to be moderator material to begin with before they can promote them.  When I became moderator back in 2007 (I believe), it was partly because they needed more moderators in CET.  Unfortunately, there are timezones where GTAForums have far fewer members than other places.  Members are not evenly spread out.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 05:13 PM

They're just the clowns who feel the need to reply to everything. Common sense tells them to report them, but their stupidness tells them to reply. Unfortunately, 90% of them listen to the stupidness inside them.

Report the thread, and don't check back. That's all you can do.

Well there names are shamefully displayed above.

 

Hopefully a mod decides to punish them for their stupidity.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 07:26 PM

i dont get why the mods cant ip ban this dude?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 07:33 PM

i dont get why the mods cant ip ban this dude?

They have multiple times, he gets new IP's.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 07:49 PM

He probably deleted his cookies. Unfortunately, an IP ban is not as effective as people think.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:36 PM

 

i dont get why the mods cant ip ban this dude?

They have multiple times, he gets new IP's.

 

wow.  is he really that desperate to show his gay porn?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:16 PM

 

 

i dont get why the mods cant ip ban this dude?

They have multiple times, he gets new IP's.

 

wow.  is he really that desperate to show his gay porn?

 

He's a PBM who can't accept his ban. I wonder who he was originally before he was banned.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:52 PM

He probably deleted his cookies. Unfortunately, an IP ban is not as effective as people think.

 

It can be effective, but at the same time, be unproductive. IP's are separated into "four" sections between a hyphen. If you replace one of the sections with an asterisk, it bans ALL the numbers in that "section", so if these spam bots generate different IPs but say the first "section" is always the same, then all they would have to do is do this "0123.*.*.*" and every IP that begins with 0123 will be banned, but again this can be unproductive as a legitimate user who needs help could start with the same first section in his IP too and he would then be unable to register.

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 05:43 AM Edited by Svip, 23 July 2014 - 05:45 AM.

 

He probably deleted his cookies. Unfortunately, an IP ban is not as effective as people think.

 

It can be effective, but at the same time, be unproductive. IP's are separated into "four" sections between a hyphen. If you replace one of the sections with an asterisk, it bans ALL the numbers in that "section", so if these spam bots generate different IPs but say the first "section" is always the same, then all they would have to do is do this "0123.*.*.*" and every IP that begins with 0123 will be banned, but again this can be unproductive as a legitimate user who needs help could start with the same first section in his IP too and he would then be unable to register.

 

 

Generally speaking, no.  For one thing, IPs cannot start with a 0, it would just be "123.x.y.z".

 

But more importantly, asterisks to replace numbers in IPs are commonly not done, usually people block IPs by "IP block".

 

An IP consists of 4 bytes (32 bits), where the decimals and full stop separators are merely representation.  It simply takes routers and software too long to block by analysing the IP address like that.  Instead, you tell how many bits from the right (least significant bit) to ignore.

 

Essentially, if I wrote "10.0.0.0/24" then I would be blocking all IPs from "10.0.0.0" to "10.255.255.255".  That's over 16 million addresses.  However, commonly blocks would be /8 (only the last byte) or maybe even less:

 

10.10.10.10/2 ignores the last two bits.  Two bits can represent 4 different numbers.  So what IPs are blocked?

 

Well, 10.10.10.10 is represented in binary as: 00001010000010100000101000001010.  Since 00001010000010100000101000001000 is 10.10.10.8 and 00001010000010100000101000001011 is 10.10.10.11, the range is from 10.10.10.8 to 10.10.10.11.  But notice that if I used 10.10.10.8/2, I would have blocked the same range.

 

The reason why IP blocking is most commonly done like this is that computers are much faster at analysing binary data directly rather than analysing strings, as asterisks would require.  Of course, however, I cannot be sure if this forum software use the same method.  By webservers sure use it.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:38 AM

Svip, you're along the right lines but a bit backwards.

The highest IP address in a 10.0.0.0/24 subnet would be 10.0.0.255 (broadcast, 254 host). A /16 subnet would be 10.0.255.255 and an /8 subnet would be 10.255.255.255.

The reason we don't blacklist/ban entire IP blocks is not just because it affects legitimate users, but because it doesn't work very well. Most people have dynamically allocated rather than static IP addresses so they're subject to quite dramatic change. And lots of the worst spammers use proxies or Tor to register accounts- and we can't very well go blocking every Tor exit node on the internet.

I do wonder whether having a "whitelist" for image hosting providers might be a good idea. Only permit embedded images from the hosting providers with a zero-tolerance attitude to pornography.
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