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Posted 19 July 2014 - 10:26 AM

Well, I'm not sure if this question has ever been raised before, but why did Rockstar decide to change the mechanics for jumping in GTA 5?

In GTA 4, we were able to jump in place or we didn't need to be moving to be able to jump. In GTA 5, we need to at least be moving (even by a little) to be allowed to jump. What if I want t jump onto a ledge above me, but can't do so because I'd have to run and then jump. I do know that in most cases, the game will climb the ledge for you, but I kinda want to be able to jump in place. It just seems like a hassle for me since I end up missing so many jumps and eventually plummeting to my death. 

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:14 AM Edited by The7thOne, 22 July 2014 - 11:30 AM.

This. Also, why did they remove crouching and the camera when you pushed the thumbstick up? It's inconvenient.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:17 AM

This. Also, why did they remove crouching and the camera when you pushed the thumbstick down? It's inconvenient.

^^ Yeah that too. Crouching actually allowed you to be more accurate in GTA 4 and now, we have stealth mode that practically nobody uses because it's kinda useless (especially in PvP situations)

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:24 AM

 

This. Also, why did they remove crouching and the camera when you pushed the thumbstick down? It's inconvenient.

^^ Yeah that too. Crouching actually allowed you to be more accurate in GTA 4 and now, we have stealth mode that practically nobody uses because it's kinda useless (especially in PvP situations)

 

Kinda? That's an understatement, haha.

 

There's no point to use stealth mode in GTAO unless you're boosting your character's stats. Also, I've seen its change to recoil negligible at best. Crouching > Stealth Mode. I wish they allowed you to use both by using this:

 

Left stick: Crouch

 

LB + RB (clicked) Stealth mode.

 

That would help out a lot in my opinion.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:30 AM

 

 

This. Also, why did they remove crouching and the camera when you pushed the thumbstick down? It's inconvenient.

^^ Yeah that too. Crouching actually allowed you to be more accurate in GTA 4 and now, we have stealth mode that practically nobody uses because it's kinda useless (especially in PvP situations)

 

Kinda? That's an understatement, haha.

 

There's no point to use stealth mode in GTAO unless you're boosting your character's stats. Also, I've seen its change to recoil negligible at best. Crouching > Stealth Mode. I wish they allowed you to use both by using this:

 

Left stick: Crouch

 

LB + RB (clicked) Stealth mode.

 

That would help out a lot in my opinion.

 

Yeahp. I agree. That's actually a really smart way to integrate crouching into GTA 5. Think we can start a petition to add crouching to the game? HAHAHA   


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:39 AM

I guess they would simply improve it with future updates along side next-gen.
Since there are not just one, probably many other things make no sense too.
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:04 PM

There wasn't enough room for these no brainer mechanics because yoga took the rest of it up.
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:09 PM

There is literally no point at all to jumping in place, I have no idea why that was even a thing in IV.

I'm not sure what you're complaining about, so what if you have to be walking? It doesn't stop you from climbing a ledge above you.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:43 PM Edited by PSgtaplayer1, 20 July 2014 - 11:17 AM.

I wasn't really complaining. It's just a mere observation I've noticed. It doesn't really matter to me if jumping doesn't get added or anything, but I would've like to crouch and get more accurate shots rather than go into stealth mode and die way faster.

 

There wasn't enough room for these no brainer mechanics because yoga took the rest of it up.

Yes, yoga, the one extra feature in GTA 5 that barely anyone uses. I would rather they allow us to go buy food from fast food chains than do yoga, honestly. Oh well. I don't control how GTA 5 is made so i'll just leave it up to Rockstar.


There is literally no point at all to jumping in place, I have no idea why that was even a thing in IV.

I'm not sure what you're complaining about, so what if you have to be walking? It doesn't stop you from climbing a ledge above you.

It was pretty fun launching ourselves off ramp in GTA 4. By that, I mean, jumping and then getting rammed by a car while on a ramp. You get so high up lol. It's not meant to give someone like a strategic advantage over another player or prove to be the most useful feature in GTA, but it was a feature used for fun. It's a sandbox, isn't? Why can't I do something as simple as jump in place?

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:47 PM

There wasn't enough room for these no brainer mechanics because yoga took the rest of it up.


Console limitations, yeah :pp
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:54 PM

Wasn't it like that since TLaD and TBOGT?


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 04:02 PM

Wasn't it like that since TLaD and TBOGT?


No, you could still crouch and jump in place
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:23 PM

There is literally no point at all to jumping in place, I have no idea why that was even a thing in IV.
I'm not sure what you're complaining about, so what if you have to be walking? It doesn't stop you from climbing a ledge above you.


There is a point to jumping in place if you wanna jump onto something but in V you have to be moving and most people end up faceplanting
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:23 PM

There is literally no point at all to jumping in place, I have no idea why that was even a thing in IV.

I'm not sure what you're complaining about, so what if you have to be walking? It doesn't stop you from climbing a ledge above you.

 

The biggest appeal of the GTA franchise is that you can do anything you want. If i want to jump in place, so be it. If i want to jump to death off of a bridge, so be it. If i want to deliberately kill an important character during a mission (regardless of the mission failing) so be it.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:16 PM

I like the GTA 3 jumping. It's very limited.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:18 PM

 

There is literally no point at all to jumping in place, I have no idea why that was even a thing in IV.
I'm not sure what you're complaining about, so what if you have to be walking? It doesn't stop you from climbing a ledge above you.


There is a point to jumping in place if you wanna jump onto something but in V you have to be moving and most people end up faceplanting

 

 

That's odd, I remember I could still climb onto/jump onto a ledge while standing in the same spot in V.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:36 PM

There is one mechanic to jumping that changed and royally pissed me off. No more jumping gaps and grabbing ledges like the IV protagonists could do. Instead your character just flops hard and falls on their face. This is so fail. I hope someone can mod it in for pc because Rockstar sure as hell won't be fixing it, just like crouch.
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:07 PM Edited by Apex Predator, 19 July 2014 - 08:07 PM.

@Aleph-Zero Those other examples have a point to them, jumping in place is literally pointless and really annoying too. In that one Packie mission, I remember having to shimmy across a ledge and unless you stood exactly in the right spot, Niko would just jump in place like an asshole instead of grabbing the ledge. I honestly don't understand why that feature was in the game considering none of the older games had it. 

 

@thafablifee46 There's a difference between jumping in place and jumping and grabbing something above you.

 

I agree with DaRkL3AD3R, not being able to grab & hang off ledges and ragdolling for no reason does suck.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:18 PM

When you jump, the character misses and then goes flying into a wall, that's really unnecessary in a video game. If your balance was that bad you wouldn't be able to jump high in the first place.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:36 PM

Overall, Rockstar made a better game, but removed so many little things that made GTA IV great.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 08:40 PM

Agree.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:07 AM

There is literally no point at all to jumping in place, I have no idea why that was even a thing in IV.
I'm not sure what you're complaining about, so what if you have to be walking? It doesn't stop you from climbing a ledge above you.

There is a point to jumping in place if you wanna jump onto something but in V you have to be moving and most people end up faceplanting
Yep. If you're standing next to a surface high enough Niko just jumps straight up and climbs over. It's annoying in GTA V when it results in a face plant.

For me the physics in GTA V feel weird.
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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:14 AM Edited by fefenc, 20 July 2014 - 04:14 AM.

 

 

There is literally no point at all to jumping in place, I have no idea why that was even a thing in IV.
I'm not sure what you're complaining about, so what if you have to be walking? It doesn't stop you from climbing a ledge above you.

There is a point to jumping in place if you wanna jump onto something but in V you have to be moving and most people end up faceplanting
Yep. If you're standing next to a surface high enough Niko just jumps straight up and climbs over. It's annoying in GTA V when it results in a face plant.

For me the physics in GTA V feel weird.

 

with exception of the GTA V smoothness character controls, I want GTA IV character control style back (crouching, grabbing things, climbing on the ledges, etc)

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:19 AM

I agree that the controls are smoother (as they should be), but I miss the intricate details present in GTA IV that GTA V excluded for no reason.
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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:20 AM

This change is f*cking pointless. Now whenever I want to jump while the grenade explodes, I have to MOVE?

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:15 AM

This change is f*cking pointless. Now whenever I want to jump while the grenade explodes, I have to MOVE?

Exactly. That was so much fun to do back then.  We wont get as high as we used to now that we have to move. 

 

Also, why did the even add the faceplanting in GTA 5? I always get in killed in TDMs or missions because I faceplant when I try to climb over a fence/ledge...and if faceplanting wasn't enough, it would take your character 18 years to get up from the ground. 

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:40 AM

Anyone also noticed that we can't keep engines on anymore after we leave our cars? Back in GTA 4, we were able to manually turn the engine off or keep it on incase we wanted a quick getaway, but now, we have to wait such a long time to start up the car. By then, we would've been shot to death. If jumping in place and crouching not being in the game was bad, I don't even know where to put this cause this was a really convenient feature in GTA 4.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:09 PM

Anyone also noticed that we can't keep engines on anymore after we leave our cars? Back in GTA 4, we were able to manually turn the engine off or keep it on incase we wanted a quick getaway, but now, we have to wait such a long time to start up the car. By then, we would've been shot to death. If jumping in place and crouching not being in the game was bad, I don't even know where to put this cause this was a really convenient feature in GTA 4.

Apparently this still exists in GTA V, but you have to be in the fighting stance or some other bullsh*t outside of the car. It's never worked for me though.

I'm sure it wasn't that hard to use what was in GTA IV.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:12 PM

 

Anyone also noticed that we can't keep engines on anymore after we leave our cars? Back in GTA 4, we were able to manually turn the engine off or keep it on incase we wanted a quick getaway, but now, we have to wait such a long time to start up the car. By then, we would've been shot to death. If jumping in place and crouching not being in the game was bad, I don't even know where to put this cause this was a really convenient feature in GTA 4.

Apparently this still exists in GTA V, but you have to be in the fighting stance or some other bullsh*t outside of the car. It's never worked for me though.

I'm sure it wasn't that hard to use what was in GTA IV.

 

Yeah, but the fighting stance technique/glitch (if you want to classify that as a glitch) isn't a 100% sure method. It's too much of a hassle to do. 


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:44 PM

I remember once in GTA 4 online, a mate of mine's bike spiralled put of control, and went sliding down the road on it's side, about to swipemy ankles an kill me. I just tapped A, and just did a little jump over it, and I looked like a total boss, with all my friends watching.

It was kinda cool, but I'm more bothered about crouching. But I think it's probably too late to be added :(
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