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peteski2014
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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:26 PM

Ok I'm  not interested in the glitch itself (how to do it etc etc) or any other glitch method for that matter but I am interested in understanding how they figure it out..... it cannot possibly be trial and error because the variables are infinite!!!! People must be studying the scripting for this game or something and finding little coding errors or something??????? any clues......... :panic:

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:31 PM Edited by henryborked, 17 July 2014 - 02:32 PM.

I have asked this question a long time ago but got no decent responses. I guess nobody really knows... 

 

Some have suggested leaks from within R*. Others indeed think it is 'pro hackers' or whatever you call these people who can look indepth at software and 'reverse engineer' sh*t to a level I have zero comprehension of. 

 

Finding some stuff by accident is also possible. Consider the 'million monkeys with a million typewriters' scenario. But... some of these things are SO complicated that I gather even a million monkeys could not in any reasonable length of time stumble upon them. 

 

The new SP to MP glitch, that one is so easy it might have been an accidental find. Most of the rest... not so much. 

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:33 PM

some glitches people fimd by accidemt others wher u have to do one thing after the other i dont think it was found by accident
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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:41 PM

Like someone said before, consider the probability of the following scenario:

a) Player 1 picks up a hooker,

b) drives to an alley where
c) both driver and passenger doors happen to be blocked

d) accidentally fires a drive-by shot

e) accidentally gets out and

f) accidentally shoots the lady passenger

g) drives back to his garage and

h) decides to block the entrance with another vehicle and

i) drives in and

j) accidentally swaps the current car with another car's position

 

Yeah. That totally happened by accident yo.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:49 PM Edited by MantisFang, 17 July 2014 - 02:53 PM.

Yup. Most are found by happenstance.

 

Some are found by users exploring the principles of previous glitches/exploits and finding other ways to modify the process for different results. 

 

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:52 PM

Like someone said before, consider the probability of the following scenario:

a) Player 1 picks up a hooker,

b) drives to an alley where
c) both driver and passenger doors happen to be blocked

d) accidentally fires a drive-by shot

e) accidentally gets out and

f) accidentally shoots the lady passenger

g) drives back to his garage and

h) decides to block the entrance with another vehicle and

i) drives in and

j) accidentally swaps the current car with another car's position

 

Yeah. That totally happened by accident yo.

Something more realistic might be:

  1. Got a hooker
  2. Ran over gang member
  3. Car & Hooker get shot up
  4. Goes to garage to repair/switch cars
  5. "Neat, the hooker is still in the car."
  6. "Hmm... That car should be somewhere else thought."
  7. "Oh no, I just lost my Entity!  Going to complain on the internet!"

No idea where you got that "block entrance" stuff...

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:58 PM

The original version of the deceased prostitute dupe glitch had you blocking your garage with something big. Nobody knows why.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:03 PM Edited by Wildfire_08, 17 July 2014 - 03:05 PM.

Most are not found by accident, most glitches are found because they have people looking for them.

 

A lot of beta testers (guys who test for errors, not public beta kids) are the ones who initially find the flaws, sometimes it can be a devs input, and others it is found by accident. 

 

In most cases though its the beta guys who search religiously for the same kind of flaws in each game & find similar patterns, once they find an initial error they basically  build upon those as though its a process & through some trial/error they come up with things like the new money glitch.

 

This glitch, as with a lot of the others is just a continuation & evolution of previous glitches. 

 

The original guy who finds it usually isn't a youtuber, but passes it onto a youtuber who then takes credit for it & pretends that it was all him so that then other YTers will give him credit. 

 

Lets not forget, the hooker was no accident, people were doing the 2 person glitch first, & then someone clearly recognised that if you could replace the 2nd player with a static body, it could cause the same effect, & it did. 

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:03 PM

That Domislive guy's YouTube video on the glitch mentions blocking the garage.

 

The thought that this may be a leak from someone at R* could be correct - as big as the Internet is, you'd think that if someone came up with something like this, they'd tell their tale somewhere, maybe here, maybe on Reddit, but somewhere.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:14 PM

The original version of the deceased prostitute dupe glitch had you blocking your garage with something big. Nobody knows why.

 

So that the entry and exit animations do not play.

 

That Domislive guy's YouTube video on the glitch mentions blocking the garage.

 

The thought that this may be a leak from someone at R* could be correct - as big as the Internet is, you'd think that if someone came up with something like this, they'd tell their tale somewhere, maybe here, maybe on Reddit, but somewhere.

 

Tell his tale and lose his job? I think he's not done doing these "leaks" yet. :evilgrin:


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:51 PM

I have not had any errors with the entry and exit animations...


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 04:56 PM

People like to spend their time breaking games.  When one or more of these people get together, they'll go to any lengths.  To understand how these players figure it out, you've got to understand that there are people who love the process of finding glitches, especially ones that can get them some advantage.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 05:03 PM

As GG said, the hooker glitch could have easily been found by accident.

Some aren't.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 05:32 PM

It's about trying to force a square object through a round hole. Someone simply tried keeping a hooker in the car to see how the game dealt with it when shifting cars in the garage. If the game was made by another company they may have coded the game element differently and the hooker+car would have both just moved instead of the hooker 'anchoring' the car. 


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 05:54 PM

Finding something by accident and looking for it are two totally different things.

 

The current glitches (and many historic) all appear to be based on having another person in your car. This is just a simple "what does the game do with another person in my car when: I die; it gets impounded; it leaves the garage; they die; I move it;" and so on. You see how the game behaves, then see what happens when you experiment. Maybe the first step in the chain is by accident, but the rest is experimentation, and the variables aren't really infinite once you head down a path of experimentation.

 

For example, long ago I was delivering a car to Simeon, and decided to take a hooker as a special gift. Since that worked (and he never thanked me) I wondered what would happen if I tried to take a hooker into my garage, and that worked. That was it for my curiosity about what the game would do, and I wasn't looking for a car duplication glitch. But had I been so inclined, I could have easily jumped to killing her because in the garage she gets out, so kill her first, and then seeing what happened if I moved a car with a dead hooker around.

 


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:00 PM

A friend and I believe that these guys are game testers, and with that I mean guys that participate in testing on request by the game developers. So through experience they've learned these kind of tricks.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:08 PM

A friend and I believe that these guys are game testers, and with that I mean guys that participate in testing on request by the game developers. So through experience they've learned these kind of tricks.

They don't have to be game testers.  There are players who do this sort of thing for fun.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:16 PM

Like someone said before, consider the probability of the following scenario:

a) Player 1 picks up a hooker,

b) drives to an alley where
c) both driver and passenger doors happen to be blocked

d) accidentally fires a drive-by shot

e) accidentally gets out and

f) accidentally shoots the lady passenger

g) drives back to his garage and

h) decides to block the entrance with another vehicle and

i) drives in and

j) accidentally swaps the current car with another car's position

 

Yeah. That totally happened by accident yo.

 

LOL'ed at how many times the word accidentally was used.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 04:40 AM Edited by Judicious 7, 19 July 2014 - 04:41 AM.

I think it really is odd how those glitches get found. I mean, if anyone has any spare time, go to SeaWall's thread (in Guides and Strategies) of all the compiled lists of glitches. Some of them require a ton of steps. It's almost as if people intentionely look for these glitches.

Accident? Hmm.. Idk, but somebody has to be profiting from this stuff.

Oh, and bumpity, bump, bump.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 04:43 AM

It is rather simple. People are looking for them and some are in fact looking at coding and such. Nothing new. The fact that this surprises people still, surprises me. Nah not really. Use your heads people ;)


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 04:56 AM

Find glitch.
Make a youtube vid.
Minimal profit.


There are people looking 24/7 for glitches.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 05:02 AM Edited by elfoam, 19 July 2014 - 05:05 AM.

When 50 million people are all mashing buttons that's wha happens. Same as all human invention and evolution. The more of us there are the faster all the above happens. Young minds have a good grasp of how the game works too, they know sp is joined to mp, they know if they trick the game a certain way cars will stick, so they look for it.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 05:02 AM

It's all in the code. To a dummy like me, it may seem like accidental magic that I can run inside LSC when the door opens for another car even though the building is an empty shell when you look at it from the underground glitch. But to a tester or a developer, there's an obvious reason that works and in turn, they can figure out things like being able to slowly pull in while having your garage on the phone and being able to glitch the code from there.

 

I'm more amazed at how R* doesn't catch these glitches before they get discovered. "Everyone's clamoring for a way to rearrange vehicles in the garage. Let's give them an option where they can make cars magically switch with each other instantly with no loading time." I wish I could've been there in Scotland or wherever the day a manager had to go in one of the executive's offices and say, "Bob, we noticed a high number of irregularities last night involving that non-static toolbox Ken wanted in the interior so badly..."


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 05:50 AM

I think someone found it cause the older version of this glitch, worked when you had a friend in the passenger seat. Then someone figured out you could have a hooker instead.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:03 AM

While I'm more familiar with how battlefield works, I'm sure it works similar regarding gta.
While there have always been people out there trying to find glitches, it hasn't become profitable until recently.

While it's not always a beta tester, these people usually have some experience at it. Beta testing isn't near as fun or entertaining as you might think. It's doing the same thing over and over changing one variable at a time. The plus side is that it teaches the ins and outs of looking for glitches.

As soon as a game is released, these guys really go to work. The first thing many of them do is find a youtuber to pair up with. If the guy is reputable in those circles, then youtubers will compete for his services. You'll notice that some youtubers give credit to some unknown person at the beginning or end of his vid.
At this point, the glitch finder will receive a certain amount of money for every video that is uploaded that contains his glitch. The pay can vary greatly, and is usually dependent on the amount of views his video gets.

While you're not going to get rich doing it. There is a bit of coin to be made from it. At least on battlefield and COD there is. I would think it's the same here.

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:09 AM

Like someone said before, consider the probability of the following scenario:

a) Player 1 picks up a hooker,

b) drives to an alley where
c) both driver and passenger doors happen to be blocked

d) accidentally fires a drive-by shot

e) accidentally gets out and

f) accidentally shoots the lady passenger

g) drives back to his garage and

h) decides to block the entrance with another vehicle and

i) drives in and

j) accidentally swaps the current car with another car's position

 

Yeah. That totally happened by accident yo.

 

I hate when I'm having my happy hour and I accidentally make $750k

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:21 AM

I think some people figure in the code how something works (e.g. if you fall from your bike while the animation is in progress then the game counts that like getting out on foot and the bike was out). Then someone watching that finds a method to exploit this in-game... I don't know, history has some crazy discovers by accident.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:23 AM

The youtube children are shall we say 'anti-social' and have a lot of time.

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Ever since the first discovered glitches, they've basically been studying how the gliches work.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:25 AM Edited by FedoraTheExplora, 19 July 2014 - 06:26 AM.

 

Like someone said before, consider the probability of the following scenario:

a) Player 1 picks up a hooker,

b) drives to an alley where
c) both driver and passenger doors happen to be blocked

d) accidentally fires a drive-by shot

e) accidentally gets out and

f) accidentally shoots the lady passenger

g) drives back to his garage and

h) decides to block the entrance with another vehicle and

i) drives in and

j) accidentally swaps the current car with another car's position

 

Yeah. That totally happened by accident yo.

 

I hate when I'm having my happy hour and I accidentally make $750k

 

 

#thestruggleisreal

 

OT: I say they find them by accident as others said before.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:27 AM

Some conspiracy theorists might even consider that the info could be coming from Rockstar to drive up product interest.

I mean, it's not the "dead taxi driver glitch," it's a "dead hooker glitch." Very appealing title, perhaps, to some users.

The result, of course, is appealing to all users. Perhaps. ;)





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