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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:47 PM

What about cars that already had the spoiler 'upgrades', do they get the boost, or do you have to rebuy them?

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#122

Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:48 PM

Same goes for my jester.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:48 PM

this saddens me.  I love how my Jester looks with no spoiler, but the ONLY time I drive it these days is in races.  Gonna have to add one.


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#124

Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:51 PM

The cars already have too much traction, if only there was a way to reduce the traction.

And I guess spoilers don't reduce top speed.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:59 PM

Fantastic....  Now the Elegy can be even MORE OP!


Some one/thing has to be first. Besides, Elegy isn't that OP, just that its weaknesses (braking) are easier to manage for most players. Also, this applies to all cars, so whatever advantage Elegy gets, is negated.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:01 PM

Bearing in mind that ANY spoiler will increase downforce by the same amount so it doesn't matter which. Just check, It's true


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:03 PM Edited by Xavierr, 19 June 2014 - 09:04 PM.

The elegy has a lot of understeer, just like in Forza. So I guess it's not that op

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:06 PM

 

Fantastic....  Now the Elegy can be even MORE OP!


Some one/thing has to be first. Besides, Elegy isn't that OP, just that its weaknesses (braking) are easier to manage for most players. Also, this applies to all cars, so whatever advantage Elegy gets, is negated.

 

Yes it is OP!  The traction is so good that you can take corners without braking!  All the real skillful racers say that it's OP.  Oh did I mention, it's FREE!  Anyway, I hope it's true that it will be moved to super.  And the only thing more OP than the Elegy is the Z Type.


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#129

Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:10 PM

Bearing in mind that ANY spoiler will increase downforce by the same amount so it doesn't matter which. Just check, It's true


Indeed, adding the huge GT ones is just the same as a small carbon one. You waste more money for the same increase in traction and I like that.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:00 PM

What about cars that already had the spoiler 'upgrades', do they get the boost, or do you have to rebuy them?

 

Do you mean like if you had a spoiler on your car before the update?  Because if that's the case then I'm pretty sure you do not have to buy them again.


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#131

Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:04 PM

 

What about cars that already had the spoiler 'upgrades', do they get the boost, or do you have to rebuy them?

 

Do you mean like if you had a spoiler on your car before the update?  Because if that's the case then I'm pretty sure you do not have to buy them again.

 

I can confirm you do not need to buy the spoiler again if you had one equipped before the update. A few of my cars that had a custom spoiler on before the update have higher traction and I've done nothing to them. On my Comet, the traction is a little more than 4 bars but its traction used to be at about 4 bars/under 4 bars.

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#132

Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:06 PM


Does this means that top speed also DECREASES too??
Because you know...Too much downforce does that, specially if you have a underpowered car with a massive GT wing

Now you're pushing it. Don't make R* their brains explode on this one dude.
 
They did say spoilers, armour and costum tires all made a tiny difference in handling. Maybe its always been like this.
Actually they said armor does not affect vehicle mass, and that wheel type affects traction.

I don't believe there has been any official comment about custom tires one way or the other.

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#133

Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:10 PM

Cue to all 12yrs old kids putting massive racing spoilers in Pantos, Warreners, Futos, anything that can generate a massive downforce...
 

Racing spoilers would always increase downforce. Most of the car on this game it would just make heavy and give no positive affect whatsoever.


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#134

Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:28 PM

this is great
 
now my cars won't only LOOK like track racers, but will also perform differently
 
now these boring hipsters can finally shut the f*ck up with their hotwheels propaganda


That's all about having a racey car, so no, your spoiler would not make me forget that you like Hotwheels racey cars.

Nice reference tho. Go buy a "cul8r" or "2fast" or some other lame-ass name for those cars.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:37 PM Edited by B3astGTS, 19 June 2014 - 11:38 PM.

Spoilers have always had a physics impact. Learned this from doing the stunt jump through the Jetty. Stock Feltzer had a lot more roll and twist while mid air while my custom Feltzer with the highest level spoiler was much easier to control. I wonder if the traction bar update is for a new stat boost or whether it is just finally showing the impact the spoiler has.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:42 PM

Spoilers have always had a physics impact. Learned this from doing the stunt jump through the Jetty. Stock Feltzer had a lot more roll and twist while mid air while my custom Feltzer with the highest level spoiler was much easier to control. I wonder if the traction bar update is for a new stat boost or whether it is just finally showing the impact the spoiler has.

 

The only thing is that in that hot lap thread that I posted everyone had a spoiler on their cars before the update.  Suddenly they are seeing massive improvements in times.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:47 PM

 

only reason this is good is because it further helps the comet in staying top of the sports class
have noticed that it feels a teeny bit more attached to the road these last 2 days :p


What? Comet is a good car but no way is it a top sports car. Massacro, Feltzer, Jester and Elegy are all better. I would own one since I loved it in GTA4 but I can't stand spoilers and it's beaten by a good racer in any of the top four I just mentioned.

 

actually statistically wise it is, it has top acceleration in the sports class behind the elegy and has the highest top speed behind the rapid gt
the only thing that lets it down is its tendency to fishtail but it still has ridiculous responsiveness when steering and if you can master a brake pattern to avoid the rear end slipping out around corners you will be on top :D


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:15 AM Edited by gorskiegangsta, 20 June 2014 - 12:32 AM.

 

 

Fantastic....  Now the Elegy can be even MORE OP!


Some one/thing has to be first. Besides, Elegy isn't that OP, just that its weaknesses (braking) are easier to manage for most players. Also, this applies to all cars, so whatever advantage Elegy gets, is negated.

 

Yes it is OP!  The traction is so good that you can take corners without braking!  All the real skillful racers say that it's OP.  Oh did I mention, it's FREE!  Anyway, I hope it's true that it will be moved to super.  And the only thing more OP than the Elegy is the Z Type.

 

Z-Type is OP because its performance doesn't accurately reflect that of its IRL counterpart. There's no way Type 57 (<200HP, ~120Mph) can thrash Miura (~360HP, 170Mph) on any track. R* purposely made it OP for no other reason than to reflect its price tag. By contrast, IRL, the GTR thrashes supers like original Koeniggsegg and Veyron on benchmark tracks like the Nurburgring, while only costing 1/6th-1.12th as much, so no, the Elegy isn't OP, because it serves as an accurate representation of the GTR. As far as moving it to supers, I'm all for it, since the GTR is considered a 'Japanese supercar' IRL.

 

 

What about cars that already had the spoiler 'upgrades', do they get the boost, or do you have to rebuy them?

 

Do you mean like if you had a spoiler on your car before the update?  Because if that's the case then I'm pretty sure you do not have to buy them again.

 

Yes that is what I meant. That's good to hear.

 

 

 

 

only reason this is good is because it further helps the comet in staying top of the sports class
have noticed that it feels a teeny bit more attached to the road these last 2 days  :p


What? Comet is a good car but no way is it a top sports car. Massacro, Feltzer, Jester and Elegy are all better. I would own one since I loved it in GTA4 but I can't stand spoilers and it's beaten by a good racer in any of the top four I just mentioned.

 

actually statistically wise it is, it has top acceleration in the sports class behind the elegy and has the highest top speed behind the rapid gt
the only thing that lets it down is its tendency to fishtail but it still has ridiculous responsiveness when steering and if you can master a brake pattern to avoid the rear end slipping out around corners you will be on top  :D

 

Unfortunately, that isn't even close to being true.

 

Top Speed (sports): Carbonizzare > Jester > 9F > Surano/Alpha >> Comet

Acceleration (sports): Rapid GT > Carbonizzare/Massacro > Banshee > Surano/Feltzer/Alpha/Comet


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#139

Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:25 AM

Do really big spoilers help more than smaller spoilers?

 

Yes. The bigger the spoiler, the more downforce created. Although, if we were being technical, some spoilers are adjustable so you can have similar downforce to a GT wing or an equivalent from something that is half the size by adjusting the angle of the wing. The more the surface faces the oncoming air, the more downforce generated. 

 

If GTA was to be more technical, the rear diffusers on some vehicles that come as standard or can be added on as modifications would also improve traction also. Generally speaking, they're mostly for show. 


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:30 AM

Just remember guys, a bigger spoiler won't always make you faster/have better downforce.

 

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:07 AM

Bearing in mind that ANY spoiler will increase downforce by the same amount so it doesn't matter which. Just check, It's true

 

Not really, no. Downforce can be increased or decreased by increasing or decreasing the angle of attack of the rear wing, much like an aircraft comes into land nose high to increase the angle of attack to increase drag and slow the aircraft down. And as with aircraft wings, a larger surface provides more drag or downforce. A wing with a greater surface area will produce more downforce than one that doesn't. This is largely applicable for rear wings and spoilers that are not adjustable. 


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:23 AM

Just remember guys, a bigger spoiler won't always make you faster/have better downforce.

 

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Keeping in mind that the car is FWD with a wing designed to create more than 1000lbs of downforce that is obviously a stupid idea alone. Never mind doing it without a wing on the front. Also, saying that a large wing doesn't make you faster and then using an example from a show who's hosts obviously don't know much about downforce is about as stupid as that wing placement.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:24 AM

 

 

 

Fantastic....  Now the Elegy can be even MORE OP!


Some one/thing has to be first. Besides, Elegy isn't that OP, just that its weaknesses (braking) are easier to manage for most players. Also, this applies to all cars, so whatever advantage Elegy gets, is negated.

 

Yes it is OP!  The traction is so good that you can take corners without braking!  All the real skillful racers say that it's OP.  Oh did I mention, it's FREE!  Anyway, I hope it's true that it will be moved to super.  And the only thing more OP than the Elegy is the Z Type.

 

Z-Type is OP because its performance doesn't accurately reflect that of its IRL counterpart. There's no way Type 57 (<200HP, ~120Mph) can thrash Miura (~360HP, 170Mph) on any track. R* purposely made it OP for no other reason than to reflect its price tag. By contrast, IRL, the GTR thrashes supers like original Koeniggsegg and Veyron on benchmark tracks like the Nurburgring, while only costing 1/6th-1.12th as much, so no, the Elegy isn't OP, because it serves as an accurate representation of the GTR. As far as moving it to supers, I'm all for it, since the GTR is considered a 'Japanese supercar' IRL.

While that is true, the Elegy can demolish any car stock and it's FREE!  It would be different if it costed 90k.  But still, it's OP in the sense that the grip is just insane.  The Elegy is so good that unless you are a very good driver, you will always lose to one.  In my opinion, the best car should be the one that takes the most skill to use.  High risk, High reward.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:27 AM

 

this is great
 
now my cars won't only LOOK like track racers, but will also perform differently
 
now these boring hipsters can finally shut the f*ck up with their hotwheels propaganda


That's all about having a racey car, so no, your spoiler would not make me forget that you like Hotwheels racey cars.

Nice reference tho. Go buy a "cul8r" or "2fast" or some other lame-ass name for those cars.

 

i suppose you think Le Mans racers and italian cars are hotwheels replicas too, yes?

 

idiot...

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:32 AM


 

this is great
 
now my cars won't only LOOK like track racers, but will also perform differently
 
now these boring hipsters can finally shut the f*ck up with their hotwheels propaganda

That's all about having a racey car, so no, your spoiler would not make me forget that you like Hotwheels racey cars.

Nice reference tho. Go buy a "cul8r" or "2fast" or some other lame-ass name for those cars.
 
i suppose you think Le Mans racers and italian cars are hotwheels replicas too, yes?
 
idiot...

No, because they're race cars. On racetracks.

Not the city streets. Smartass.

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#146

Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:37 AM

None of my hot wheels had spoilers. Just sayin'

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:46 AM Edited by 8up local, 20 June 2014 - 01:48 AM.

haven't read the whole thread yet, but if spoilers add downforce aiding in traction it would be nice to see a decrease in top speed and maybe accel just a touch. seems like a even trade which should make things mute, so it would be kinda pointless, but i think it would be nice to have. then it would bring another aspect to figure in when now just about everyone will put the most expensive one on just to to stay on par with the other guy.

 

one thing is for sure, PV's will stand out even more now.


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#148

Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:46 AM

Spoilers are tasteless? LOOOOOOOOOOL oh my god this forum is full of f*cking retards.

 

Please post your cars so I can see how much "taste" ya'll have hahahahahahahaah holy f*ck.

 

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#149

Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:52 AM

Damn that sucks big time! No more racing for me then cause im not gona spoil my cars putting that ugly thing back there damn.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 04:16 AM Edited by lukeskateboards, 20 June 2014 - 04:16 AM.

Lets hope they move the RH8 to super and give it some of this:

 

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mmmmmmmmmmmmm.





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