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is Toni Cipriani a domestic terrorist?

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 04:41 PM

Not true ,he is not a criminal or terrorist

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Posted 13 June 2016 - 08:27 PM

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Toni killed cj. The most resonable place from this event is Las Venturas becouse Leones have their truf in this city. What makes me think like that. The answer is simple-clues.
#1 Toni have to stay low for long 4 years. I don't think that one of italian family in LC was so powerful to freak aut Sal. But cj have freinds in VLA,Triads and Grove. Someone like him is truly mademan.
#2 Sal doesn't want to talk about it when someone is listening but he smiled when Toni remind him 'what he did'.
#3. Toni was thinking that when he came back he will be someone big. You think that he could be so foolish to think that killing one of Leone enemies can make him true member. No? Claude killed the boss of Forellies the last enemy Italian family in 2001. And someone cared about it? Well you know the answer.
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Posted 20 June 2016 - 10:23 AM

I honestly NEVER thought that Toni could kill CJ. I got 2 reasons:

 

1. How the f*ck can such a lackey and asslicker like Toni try removing one of the biggest crime lords of the West Coast? OK it sounds possible, but...

2. It's said that the guy killed by Toni was a MADE MAN. This doesn't refer to any big criminal, only to higher ranking Mafia mobsters.

 

The whole heist pissed Leone off but that was the beginning of his downfall. Imo it contributed more to his racist views on Asians... Judging by the amount of people the GSF have, including many of their associates, I doubt the Leones could resist an attack by them, let alone wipe them out. It's more possible in my opinion for the Mafia to relocate in about 1998 from SA while the street gangs became more dominant...

 

Putting it all into one, mostly because of the "made man" statement, I heavily doubt it can be CJ. Sure, I don't disagree he could be dead, but I doubt that it would be Toni who kills him.

 

btw, Mike Forelli was not a boss of their gang, I think he was a capo.


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Posted 20 June 2016 - 05:34 PM

 

2. It's said that the guy killed by Toni was a MADE MAN. This doesn't refer to any big criminal, only to higher ranking Mafia mobsters.

 

I dunno, I mean I would think that if someone lives in a big mansion, is the manager of a successful rapper, owns a jetpack, etc. certainly has it "made".

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 07:00 PM Edited by Sergiu, 20 June 2016 - 07:05 PM.

 

 

2. It's said that the guy killed by Toni was a MADE MAN. This doesn't refer to any big criminal, only to higher ranking Mafia mobsters.

 

I dunno, I mean I would think that if someone lives in a big mansion, is the manager of a successful rapper, owns a jetpack, etc. certainly has it "made".

 

Made man means someone who's been accepted into the family in the mob. This game is obviously based around the Italian Mafia. CJ was never someone of high importance to the mob, of course. He will always be but a "moolie" to them in their own words. Excuse the racial slur but it was needed to add more strength to my point.

 

Besides that, what most of you probably didn't pick up was how Michael Corleone also had to go into hiding for a few years in the original Godfather after he killed two very influential people. Might be a less obvious reference to that here in LCS.

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 03:14 AM

Toni is good in quality and he killed cj because he robbed caligula s casino with Woozie
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Posted 21 June 2016 - 03:45 AM Edited by Zello, 21 June 2016 - 03:55 AM.

Toni didn't kill CJ that makes no sense sure Sal hated him but then why would Toni have to hide from LC for a few years Salvatore would probably throw a huge party if CJ died.

 

Toni killed a made guy as in an actual member of the Mob CJ was not in the mob I'm guessing whoever he killed went like this

Toni wasn't a made guy and he killed one you can't kill one and if you do you'll end up dead or in some deep sh*t

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 09:15 AM

But made man isn't a term reserved only for mafia. It also means a person who made his way from nothing to something. It's really describing Carl Johnson. From poor getto boy to the biggest guy in the West Coast. Someone said that Sal would make a big party. Maybe yes or maybe not. If Sweet, Cesar or Woozie dig aut who killed their freind it could make a big problem for Leones. Three biggest gangs in San Andreas and other three italian familes could easily destroy Salvatore organisation. That's why Toni went to hiding. He was inconvinient for Leones. It also explain why Toni didn't recive promotion after he come back. Sal was still afraid that someone can be sniffing around.
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Posted 27 June 2016 - 08:50 PM Edited by Zello, 27 June 2016 - 08:58 PM.

But made man isn't a term reserved only for mafia. It also means a person who made his way from nothing to something. It's really describing Carl Johnson. From poor getto boy to the biggest guy in the West Coast. Someone said that Sal would make a big party. Maybe yes or maybe not. If Sweet, Cesar or Woozie dig aut who killed their freind it could make a big problem for Leones. Three biggest gangs in San Andreas and other three italian familes could easily destroy Salvatore organisation. That's why Toni went to hiding. He was inconvinient for Leones. It also explain why Toni didn't recive promotion after he come back. Sal was still afraid that someone can be sniffing around.

Made man IS a term reserved for the mafia especially in LCS where you're working for the Mafia most of the time. I think you're confusing Made man with someone who had it "Made" which is something else and probably what you're thinking about.

 

Toni did not kill CJ because if he did like I said earlier why would he go into hiding? if Toni killed CJ Salvatore would throw a huge party for Toni not make Toni go into hiding for a few years.

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 06:18 AM

If we entertain the idea that Toni killed CJ, maybe he went into hiding because Woozie, Sweet and maybe even Toreno want revenge.
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 06:43 PM

If we entertain the idea that Toni killed CJ, maybe he went into hiding because Woozie, Sweet and maybe even Toreno want revenge.

I don't think Toreno would want Revenge after CJ finished working with him they were done. Sweet might get angry but I don't think he would abandon the Grove for revenge and go all the way to LC. Woozie could go after whoever killed CJ but idk

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:09 PM

Sweet wouldn't get revenge after all the things CJ has done for him? That's some brother, man. You know, I've never liked Sweet. Guy would sell his own kids if it was good for da Grove.
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Posted 29 June 2016 - 07:14 AM

But what about Madd Dogg? I mean if a popular rapper's manager got killed by some mobster, wouldn't said rapper try to do something about it?
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Posted 29 June 2016 - 07:31 AM

But what about Madd Dogg? I mean if a popular rapper's manager got killed by some mobster, wouldn't said rapper try to do something about it?


Good call. CJ saved his life and put his career back on track.
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Posted 29 June 2016 - 12:00 PM

Speaking of Cj allies:
Toreno-why you think he would be angry or upset. Cj know to much about gim and his organisation. He was a big problem to whole IAA/CIA. So in conclusion Toreno can be even happy. Becouse all truth about conection between him and Carl died with gangbanger.
Madd Dogg-he is just a raper. I think he could be searching around but in the end he will find nothing.
Sweet-he is mystery. He was blaiming and haiting Carl all this years. I dunno what happends with him. Can he sacrafice his gang leader position to find what happend with his brother?
Kendyl-she will probably take over Wang Cars and shares in the casino alongside with Cesar
Dwayne&Jehro-they probably recive the autservice
Zero-he takes his place
Truth-he could take Carl airport




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