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Posted 27 May 2014 - 02:55 PM

According to Broughy the Elegy is faster than the adder on some tracks.  He tests all the cars on Cutting Coroners.  I would be in favor of making it a super car, since right now it is so much better than the other sports cars that the other cars don't get much use.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 03:07 PM

People need to stop doing trial runs and start doing actual races. Everyone drives different when you have actual pressure. 

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 03:16 PM

In all honesty, I think this guy is a liable source. If you watched a live stream of his not too long ago, he was live-chatting with R* Dev and they discussed Racing Leaderboards, Car Customizations, and more.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 03:27 PM

Also, the Elegy is my all-time racer for the Sports Class. I race with none other. After riding with it since December, I've mastered turning, braking, and dragging with it and I have beaten Adders and Entity's. I have yet to beat a Zentorno (In a drag race obviously).


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 04:05 PM

Well it would make sense since the nissan GTR is a super and that is what it is based off.

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 04:17 PM

Called it....


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 04:43 PM

Well it would make sense since the nissan GTR is a super and that is what it is based off.

??? no it's not where did you get that idea from? the GT-R is a sports car made in Japan.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 04:51 PM

Well I'm 8th in the world for 3 lap non-contact 'Thrills in the Hills'

 

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 04:56 PM

People need to stop doing trial runs and start doing actual races. Everyone drives different when you have actual pressure. 

 

this, I have no trouble pitting your elegy in my carbon or massacro or feltzer etc.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 04:58 PM

 

People need to stop doing trial runs and start doing actual races. Everyone drives different when you have actual pressure. 

 

this, I have no trouble pitting your elegy in my carbon or massacro or feltzer etc.

 

That's not racing though....

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:09 PM

Some people I have respect for in public lobbies, they keep there distance especially in turns. If I'm in first and I see someone gaining on me . Two of either things will happen, I'll let them pass and gain on them later or slam on my brakes when they're slip streaming, depends if I know if he's gonna pit me or not

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:16 PM

Letting them pass is not the greatest decision on short tracks. Learned the hard way

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:16 PM

 

 

People need to stop doing trial runs and start doing actual races. Everyone drives different when you have actual pressure. 

 

this, I have no trouble pitting your elegy in my carbon or massacro or feltzer etc.

 

That's not racing though....

 

 

yes it is, this is gta MOTHERf*ckER, there are no rules

go play forza with it's pussyass rules or something

THIS IS RACING FOR REAL MEN!

 

seriously though, I don't ram every1 off the road like some maniac.

but the fact of the matter is that all these tests are done under perfect conditions

you can't always drive the perfect line in a real race and there is going to be contact

having a stable car can be way more important than having the fastest

so in the end it usually comes down to who's better in interactions with other players and not who's driving the perfect line or who has the fastest car

 

well that and the fact that like 9/10 players couldn't take a corner properly if their life depended on it.

perhaps with 2 equally skilled players the better car would win, but if there's 8 other idiots on the track as well it's any1's game.

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:18 PM Edited by TheMcSame, 27 May 2014 - 05:19 PM.

On the subject on buffs, the Comet needs a huge buff, or we need a new porsche.

IRL porsche makes some of the fastest cars, and theyre represented in game by a slow 911 that has a mandatory spoiler...

i cri evrytim

 

We need an RUF man :D

I'd take an RUF over a Porsche any day.

According to Broughy the Elegy is faster than the adder on some tracks.  He tests all the cars on Cutting Coroners.  I would be in favor of making it a super car, since right now it is so much better than the other sports cars that the other cars don't get much use.

 

Just because it's faster on a "track" than a super car doesn't make it a super car. A Caterham 500R or a Ariel Atom 500 could be perfectly capable of beating a Bugatti around a track which has a lot of technical corners and few straights. Does that make either of them a super car? no, they're still track bred sports cars regardless.

Well it would make sense since the nissan GTR is a super and that is what it is based off.

The GTR is a super car killer. This was mentioned before, why would the GTR be a super car if it was a super car killer? It wouldn't, it completely defeats the point of the car being a supercar killer. I'd also like to mention the price tag which is something like $100000. One thing that defines a supercar is a killer price tag... something which the GT-R is lacking.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:22 PM

The GTR being based off the Skyline also defines it as NOT a supercar.
Supercars are their own platform and are STOCK.

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:24 PM

 

 

 

yes it is, this is gta MOTHERf*ckER, there are no rules

go play forza with it's pussyass rules or something

THIS IS RACING FOR REAL MEN!

 

seriously though, I don't ram every1 off the road like some maniac.

but the fact of the matter is that all these tests are done under perfect conditions

you can't always drive the perfect line in a real race and there is going to be contact

having a stable car can be way more important than having the fastest

so in the end it usually comes down to who's better in interactions with other players and not who's driving the perfect line or who has the fastest car

 

well that and the fact that like 9/10 players couldn't take a corner properly if their life depended on it.

perhaps with 2 equally skilled players the better car would win, but if there's 8 other idiots on the track as well it's any1's game.

 

 

I would never call racing in GTA "Racing for real men."  


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:25 PM Edited by Zwenkwiel, 27 May 2014 - 05:26 PM.

all this arguing about whether or not the gtr is a super car has got me wondering

what exactly is a supercar

and a quick google search has shown me there isn't one objective definition of what constitutes a super car

so you can all stop arguing, supercar is a matter of opinion

 

I have a fiat seicento and I think it's pretty super because it gets me where I need to go while keeping me dry at the same time

it can even play music and everything, to me that definitely means it's a supercar XD

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes it is, this is gta MOTHERf*ckER, there are no rules

go play forza with it's pussyass rules or something

THIS IS RACING FOR REAL MEN!

 

seriously though, I don't ram every1 off the road like some maniac.

but the fact of the matter is that all these tests are done under perfect conditions

you can't always drive the perfect line in a real race and there is going to be contact

having a stable car can be way more important than having the fastest

so in the end it usually comes down to who's better in interactions with other players and not who's driving the perfect line or who has the fastest car

 

well that and the fact that like 9/10 players couldn't take a corner properly if their life depended on it.

perhaps with 2 equally skilled players the better car would win, but if there's 8 other idiots on the track as well it's any1's game.

 

 

I would never call racing in GTA "Racing for real men."  

 

 well obviously

cuz you're not a real man!

 

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! (man rage)


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:26 PM

The GTR being based off the Skyline also defines it as NOT a supercar.
Supercars are their own platform and are STOCK.

 

Great.  The Oracle isn't a coupe IRL.  The Blazer isn't a motorcycle IRL.  The Buffalo isn't a sports car IRL.  

 

It really doesn't matter the real-life counterpart.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:30 PM

There isn't an exact definition for Supercar but there IS a broad definition.
This is because "supercar" isn't technically a vehicle classification, it's a differentiating term to seperate high-end, performance sportscars from the more economy sportscars.
That being said, the broad definition and the one most widely used is that a supercar is a high-performance, high-cost, luxury sport with an independent format and produced at those specs at stock.

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:31 PM

The GTR is not a supercar.
It's an incredible car, but not a super.

Not a supercar?

 

Nurburgring times

GT-R: 07:24 (SW conditions)

Zonda F: 07:27 (SW conditions)

 

GT-R: 07:29

Koenigsegg: 07:33

Veyron (original): 07:40

Ford GT: 07:40

Murcielago LP640: 07:40

Zonda S: 07:44


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:34 PM

I came up with the idea of reclassing cars like the Elegy and others into different classes, so if it comes through im taking credit for it :) 


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:40 PM

I'll believe it when i see it. I probably still won't be selling any of my Supercars to make room for it, though.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:46 PM Edited by FasterThanYou, 27 May 2014 - 05:53 PM.


??? Super car tracks? That doesn't exist.

You can race sports in dumbproof straight tracks or normal ones. You can race supers in dumbproof straight tracks or normal ones.
 

Tracks that are tailored to Super cars. Such as Business Trip, Grand Tour, Senora freeway, etc. Here is where I would want to see how the Elegy stacks up against the Supers.
These tracks are tailored for terrible drivers, not for any car class.

On the topic, I agree with those saying it is not a supercar, BUT gameplay balance comes before all of this. Elegy is ruining sports, and it beats most of the supers at most tracks, so for me it's a no brainer.
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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:48 PM

You're going off like it's the best car in the Sports class, which it isn't I'm afraid.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:54 PM

You're going off like it's the best car in the Sports class, which it isn't I'm afraid.


It is, by a country mile too.
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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:56 PM

The GTR is not a supercar.
It's an incredible car, but not a super.

haha not a super car? youre clearly dont know what you are talking about my friend


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:12 PM

Anyone English must have seen the top gear when Clarkson is an Evo and some racing driver guy is a Lambo? All the driver has to do is get away from the Evo...it can't.....based on some peoples logic the Evo must be a super car? And the sultan should be in the sup.....no no let's not go there.

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:13 PM Edited by TheMcSame, 27 May 2014 - 06:19 PM.

 

The GTR is not a supercar.
It's an incredible car, but not a super.

Not a supercar?
 
Nurburgring times
GT-R: 07:24 (SW conditions)
Zonda F: 07:27 (SW conditions)
 
GT-R: 07:29
Koenigsegg: 07:33
Veyron (original): 07:40
Ford GT: 07:40
Murcielago LP640: 07:40
Zonda S: 07:44

 

Lap times?
 
1/4 mile drag times:
McLaren F1  11.1s
Ferrari Enzo 11s
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 11.4s
Ferrari 458 Italia 10.9s
Bugatti Veyron Super Sport 9.9s
Mclaren P1 9.8s
 
What's my point?
Red Victor 3 6.59s
 
Faster than the super cars yet it's not a super car.
 
I like to think the two relate. Why? the times don't determine whether the car is a super car or not.
 
Nurburgring times tell you how well a car can corner
Drag times tell you the car has a high P/W ratio as well as grip when launching.
 
This was posted while I was typing this out and it proves that lap times don't determine the class a car is

Anyone English must have seen the top gear when Clarkson is an Evo and some racing driver guy is a Lambo? All the driver has to do is get away from the Evo...it can't.....based on some peoples logic the Evo must be a super car? And the sultan should be in the sup.....no no let's not go there.

Video for those that want to see it

Skip to about 3:39


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:33 PM

 

You're going off like it's the best car in the Sports class, which it isn't I'm afraid.


It is, by a country mile too.

 

 

Maybe even two...


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:40 PM

Yep that would be the one.

Supercars and cars built to challenge super cars are two different things.
I always thought that was the whole thing about the old skylines and GTR are that you can drive them like every day cars but when needed you have Supercar performance. I know times have changed but the supers to me as a kid were basically street legal race machines. No carpet, radio, basic interior and were pretty awful/awkward to drive as everyday cars, obviously the modern era supercars come equipped with the latest mod cons...except you still get the odd truly supercar that are still like the old ones and are basically race/road cars.




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