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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:26 PM

 

Implying that most kills means something in survival...if you get the most kills every round and then die, leaving me to finish, then your most kills means absolutely nothing

 

So if I kill 20 and leave you 2 to mop up, you can't handle it? 

 

i dont think that is what he means....i think he means the people that kill 20 or so for the first three waves,and then generally die like a bitch on waves 4 thru 10

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:27 PM Edited by dzian, 29 April 2014 - 04:30 PM.

  • MVP players
  • Player with the most kills at the end of each round gets $1000
  • Player with the most kills end game gets an extra $20k
  • People who haven't contributed anything get kicked out automatically
 
That's about all I have so far</p>
None of those options change anything about survivals though. An extra 20 grand at the end doesnt make the experience more interesting lol. Still have to do the exact same thing.

Things to make it more interesting would be add stealth. Add more bad guys. The bad guys should begin tbe waves looking for you not magically knowing where you are. This would allow for a lot more tactical play. Rather than take cover and gun everything as it gets close

Give the bad guys stealth to. Its kinda easy whe the blips tell you which direction they are coming fro. All the time

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:31 PM

 

 

I make them more interesting by using fists only for round one. Then limit my weaponry to pistols and pump shotguns.

Da fuq?

Enemies in the first wave are weaklings. They can be KO'd in one punch. If you are savy enough, you can melee everyone in the first wave without taking any damage.

 

I see


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:35 PM

 

 

Implying that most kills means something in survival...if you get the most kills every round and then die, leaving me to finish, then your most kills means absolutely nothing

 
So if I kill 20 and leave you 2 to mop up, you can't handle it? 
That makes no sense...but yeah, you go and do your undisciplined commando routine and get yourself killed, and therefore USELESS...make sure you steal a health pack and body armor from a player that actually takes advantage of it too, ok?

 

Not everybody is a hiding little pussy. I f*cking hate it when my teammates just sit there waiting for people to come to them. Survival already takes too long...now I have to wait even longer because you won't come out from behind your hiding spot? f*ck that. I'll take out the first 20 guys, if one gets in a lucky shot and I go down, then, yes, you can finish off the other 2 enemies once they make it over to your hiding spot. It's insanely annoying when there's only one enemy left and the others will just sit there waiting for him to walk over to their booby trap. Just get out of your pussy cover and go kill the guy. 

 

I would take someone killing 95% of the enemies in a quick and timely matter any day over the people who sit back and let others do all the killing claiming, "but I never die behind this trailer and my two kills were totally game changing." I don't even care if the others die, it just makes it more intense for me...and I don't really even mind if we don't make it to the end. sh*t happens.

 

Yeah, we get it, you like to hide the entire survival. Some of us like to work on our shooting skills and movement around the maps. 

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:17 PM

 

 

 

Implying that most kills means something in survival...if you get the most kills every round and then die, leaving me to finish, then your most kills means absolutely nothing

 
So if I kill 20 and leave you 2 to mop up, you can't handle it? 
That makes no sense...but yeah, you go and do your undisciplined commando routine and get yourself killed, and therefore USELESS...make sure you steal a health pack and body armor from a player that actually takes advantage of it too, ok?

 

 

Makes no sense? Dude. It's math.

 

If I kill 20 red dots leaving you with 2 and then you kill those 2 red dots, that's 22 kills and round over.

If I kill them with my leet stealth skills or with a broken beer bottle, who gives a sh*t? Round over. Let's move on.

 

There's no grand strategy once the maps are learned and you are not Sun Tzu just because you killed a couple guys with your cunning battlefield skills. In fact, if you hid for most of the round while the rest of the team was out killing dots, your mates would have a right to be upset.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:21 PM Edited by blackwolfred, 29 April 2014 - 05:22 PM.

 

 

 

Implying that most kills means something in survival...if you get the most kills every round and then die, leaving me to finish, then your most kills means absolutely nothing

 
So if I kill 20 and leave you 2 to mop up, you can't handle it? 
That makes no sense...but yeah, you go and do your undisciplined commando routine and get yourself killed, and therefore USELESS...make sure you steal a health pack and body armor from a player that actually takes advantage of it too, ok?

 

Not everybody is a hiding little pussy. I f*cking hate it when my teammates just sit there waiting for people to come to them. Survival already takes too long...now I have to wait even longer because you won't come out from behind your hiding spot? f*ck that. I'll take out the first 20 guys, if one gets in a lucky shot and I go down, then, yes, you can finish off the other 2 enemies once they make it over to your hiding spot. It's insanely annoying when there's only one enemy left and the others will just sit there waiting for him to walk over to their booby trap. Just get out of your pussy cover and go kill the guy. 

 

I would take someone killing 95% of the enemies in a quick and timely matter any day over the people who sit back and let others do all the killing claiming, "but I never die behind this trailer and my two kills were totally game changing." I don't even care if the others die, it just makes it more intense for me...and I don't really even mind if we don't make it to the end. sh*t happens.

 

Yeah, we get it, you like to hide the entire survival. Some of us like to work on our shooting skills and movement around the maps. 

 

wow.....u sir are the bad ass of all bad-ass's aren't you..i totally get your point on the not leaving their spots,but i just assume they are scared to lose their spot.if your worried about time,tho.you probably should find another game mode.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:31 PM

Allowing PV's would make it more interesting.  Tank or Buzzard would be fun.


 

 

 

 

Implying that most kills means something in survival...if you get the most kills every round and then die, leaving me to finish, then your most kills means absolutely nothing

 
So if I kill 20 and leave you 2 to mop up, you can't handle it? 
That makes no sense...but yeah, you go and do your undisciplined commando routine and get yourself killed, and therefore USELESS...make sure you steal a health pack and body armor from a player that actually takes advantage of it too, ok?

 

Not everybody is a hiding little pussy. I f*cking hate it when my teammates just sit there waiting for people to come to them. Survival already takes too long...now I have to wait even longer because you won't come out from behind your hiding spot? f*ck that. I'll take out the first 20 guys, if one gets in a lucky shot and I go down, then, yes, you can finish off the other 2 enemies once they make it over to your hiding spot. It's insanely annoying when there's only one enemy left and the others will just sit there waiting for him to walk over to their booby trap. Just get out of your pussy cover and go kill the guy. 

 

I would take someone killing 95% of the enemies in a quick and timely matter any day over the people who sit back and let others do all the killing claiming, "but I never die behind this trailer and my two kills were totally game changing." I don't even care if the others die, it just makes it more intense for me...and I don't really even mind if we don't make it to the end. sh*t happens.

 

Yeah, we get it, you like to hide the entire survival. Some of us like to work on our shooting skills and movement around the maps. 

 

wow.....u sir are the bad ass of all bad-ass's aren't you..i totally get your point on the not leaving their spots,but i just assume they are scared to lose their spot.if your worried about time,tho.you probably should find another game mode.

 

 

It's called Survival for a reason - you survive.  Running about like an idiot thinking you are Rambo is not conducive to a good survival rate.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:42 PM

Allowing PV's would make it more interesting.  Tank or Buzzard would be fun.


 

 

 

 

Implying that most kills means something in survival...if you get the most kills every round and then die, leaving me to finish, then your most kills means absolutely nothing

 
So if I kill 20 and leave you 2 to mop up, you can't handle it? 
That makes no sense...but yeah, you go and do your undisciplined commando routine and get yourself killed, and therefore USELESS...make sure you steal a health pack and body armor from a player that actually takes advantage of it too, ok?

 

Not everybody is a hiding little pussy. I f*cking hate it when my teammates just sit there waiting for people to come to them. Survival already takes too long...now I have to wait even longer because you won't come out from behind your hiding spot? f*ck that. I'll take out the first 20 guys, if one gets in a lucky shot and I go down, then, yes, you can finish off the other 2 enemies once they make it over to your hiding spot. It's insanely annoying when there's only one enemy left and the others will just sit there waiting for him to walk over to their booby trap. Just get out of your pussy cover and go kill the guy. 

 

I would take someone killing 95% of the enemies in a quick and timely matter any day over the people who sit back and let others do all the killing claiming, "but I never die behind this trailer and my two kills were totally game changing." I don't even care if the others die, it just makes it more intense for me...and I don't really even mind if we don't make it to the end. sh*t happens.

 

Yeah, we get it, you like to hide the entire survival. Some of us like to work on our shooting skills and movement around the maps. 

 

wow.....u sir are the bad ass of all bad-ass's aren't you..i totally get your point on the not leaving their spots,but i just assume they are scared to lose their spot.if your worried about time,tho.you probably should find another game mode.

 

 

It's called Survival for a reason - you survive.  Running about like an idiot thinking you are Rambo is not conducive to a good survival rate.

 

You can move around the map without being Rambo....you can move around the map using skill. Speaking of skill, some of you people are very lacking in intellectual skills. 

 

No, I'm not a badass, I'm just not a person who enjoys hiding in the same spot the entire survival, popping out once in awhile to get a kill or two.... 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:42 PM

 

  • MVP players
  • Player with the most kills at the end of each round gets $1000
  • Player with the most kills end game gets an extra $20k
  • People who haven't contributed anything get kicked out automatically

 

The player with the most kills usually left his post and exposed his 2 buddies flanks! He should be hung and stripped of any earnings not rewarded.

 

Sometimes the guy covering the back in boneyard may only get a couple of kills but he keeps choppers and trucks off other players

 

OP is what is wrong with Survivor 

 

 

It's about survival damnit. So if you do something stupid and try to run and gun for kills, then you deserve to die and let me have the money. As for people who camp, like the guy at the back of Boneyard -- that's they're fault for being in that position. Plenty of other covers.

 

 

survival creator would be nice


Would be nice but is never going to happen. All user created Survivals would be bottlenecks slaughtershoots with alot of cover.
Just see what happned at Boneyard and the rooftop. Perfect hidingspot that got removed (out of bounds).

 

Absolutely correct.

 

 

 

 

  • MVP players
  • Player with the most kills at the end of each round gets $1000
  • Player with the most kills end game gets an extra $20k
  • People who haven't contributed anything get kicked out automatically

 

That's about all I have so far

 

Survival is a team game, so none of these would work.

 

Also, if you have a reward for more kills, people will just be greedy and try to get them all, which will result in them dying, which will result in one or two players being left alone.

 

 

Survival isn't a team game. Sure you all cooperate to an end goal, but the point is to survive. People would get greedy and play a lot smarter instead of camping.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:48 PM

Try using only a shotgun and pistol the whole time. Basically don't rely on heavy weapons. Makes it more realistic and challenging.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:49 PM

1- blur the line between waves and don't stop gameplay.
- when there is one enemy left, spawn wave 2. When 2 are left of those, spawn wave 3, etc.

2- spawn enemies 500m to a kilometer away, not right behind my fukking head!

3- don't stop at wave 10 - stop when we die.

4- send buzzards with rockets at wave 10. Send tanks at wave 15. Send jets at wave 20. Send all 3 at wave 25.

5- do this schit in free-roam where it belongs.

6 (5 part 2) - 16 player survival!

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:50 PM

 

Allowing PV's would make it more interesting.  Tank or Buzzard would be fun.


 

 

 

 

Implying that most kills means something in survival...if you get the most kills every round and then die, leaving me to finish, then your most kills means absolutely nothing

 
So if I kill 20 and leave you 2 to mop up, you can't handle it? 
That makes no sense...but yeah, you go and do your undisciplined commando routine and get yourself killed, and therefore USELESS...make sure you steal a health pack and body armor from a player that actually takes advantage of it too, ok?

 

Not everybody is a hiding little pussy. I f*cking hate it when my teammates just sit there waiting for people to come to them. Survival already takes too long...now I have to wait even longer because you won't come out from behind your hiding spot? f*ck that. I'll take out the first 20 guys, if one gets in a lucky shot and I go down, then, yes, you can finish off the other 2 enemies once they make it over to your hiding spot. It's insanely annoying when there's only one enemy left and the others will just sit there waiting for him to walk over to their booby trap. Just get out of your pussy cover and go kill the guy. 

 

I would take someone killing 95% of the enemies in a quick and timely matter any day over the people who sit back and let others do all the killing claiming, "but I never die behind this trailer and my two kills were totally game changing." I don't even care if the others die, it just makes it more intense for me...and I don't really even mind if we don't make it to the end. sh*t happens.

 

Yeah, we get it, you like to hide the entire survival. Some of us like to work on our shooting skills and movement around the maps. 

 

wow.....u sir are the bad ass of all bad-ass's aren't you..i totally get your point on the not leaving their spots,but i just assume they are scared to lose their spot.if your worried about time,tho.you probably should find another game mode.

 

 

It's called Survival for a reason - you survive.  Running about like an idiot thinking you are Rambo is not conducive to a good survival rate.

 

You can move around the map without being Rambo....you can move around the map using skill. Speaking of skill, some of you people are very lacking in intellectual skills. 

 

No, I'm not a badass, I'm just not a person who enjoys hiding in the same spot the entire survival, popping out once in awhile to get a kill or two.... 

 

 

Every player I see who isn't using their head and letting the enemies come to them runs about like a headless chicken A.K.A. Rambo.

 

Lack of intellectual skill?  Sure, 'cos playing a mindless video game is a true measure of a persons intellect(!)

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:07 PM

 

  • MVP players
  • Player with the most kills at the end of each round gets $1000
  • Player with the most kills end game gets an extra $20k
  • People who haven't contributed anything get kicked out automatically

 

That's about all I have so far

 

 

Good ideas, I just wish there was a total killed count at the end. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:19 PM

 

Every player I see who isn't using their head and letting the enemies come to them runs about like a headless chicken A.K.A. Rambo.

 

Enormous quote train removed.

 

I obviously don't run around out in the open towards enemies but I will go to a group of them to cut them down, then move towards another group...using cover when required. Yeah, I die sometimes because one of the enemies gets in a shot to my face...but sh*t happens. 

 

It's not an issue, I just hate it when people yell at me over the mic and act like an army general, "I'm going to stay here, you go over there and do this."....nope. I'm going to do what I do and I'm going to pay attention to how you're playing and alter my playstyle to encompass that. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:21 PM

Lmao. Yeah, I agree with @black rabbit. Sounds like a bunch of Mr. Softee's up in this thread. Max health Max armor, snacks, all the guns upgraded, & people still never break the habit of never leaving their (or 'the') spot?

That's boring. I do fine rambo-ing most maps for most rounds. The rest of you are just the insurance policy if I happen to go down. I can do each survival solo so no, I'm gonna rack up my kills, play the map how I choose, & enjoy myself.

Playing with 2-3 other people, your death, regardless of the round, should be irrelevant. Except maybe wave 10. That much should be clear. I mean how incompetent must the rest of you be to be complaining about when someone dies? That normally means more action for you. Anyway, the days of hiding behind the trailer in Boneyard are over. That's for pre lvl75 noobs.

& To be somewhat on topic, a suggestion that could improve survival, is having to change locations, mid-survival. For example, if you're at Maze Bank, come round 5-6, the time would come for the 4 players to hop in an SUV, & take the fight to Maze Bank Arena. Getting chased on the way there. Being greeted by gunfire when you arrive. It could be its own round. Maybe go from boneyard, to desert airstrip, to Airport. You get to the airstrip, have to protect a plane for 2-3 rounds, until its time to hop in, take off & land at a designated location of the airport for the survival to continue, and finish. Maybe parachute instead of land. Something along those lines
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:31 PM

& To be somewhat on topic, a suggestion that could improve survival, is having to change locations, mid-survival. For example, if you're at Maze Bank, come round 5-6, the time would come for the 4 players to hop in an SUV, & take the fight to Maze Bank Arena. Getting chased on the way there. Being greeted by gunfire when you arrive. It could be its own round. Maybe go from boneyard, to desert airstrip, to Airport. You get to the airstrip, have to protect a plane for 2-3 rounds, until its time to hop in, take off & land at a designated location of the airport for the survival to continue, and finish. Maybe parachute instead of land. Something along those lines

 

That sounds infinitely more fun! Good call.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:46 PM Edited by Zorvaine, 29 April 2014 - 06:47 PM.

The problem in survivals is the fact that everyone competes to get the most kills which makes them reckless which leads them to die which stops the team from progressing. 

 

Survival is about surviving, not racking up the most kills. Kills are useless when you're dead. Your suggestions are not advisable, it would only make people even more reckless. 

 

Bad idea. 

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:50 PM

 

  • MVP players
  • Player with the most kills at the end of each round gets $1000
  • Player with the most kills end game gets an extra $20k
  • People who haven't contributed anything get kicked out automatically

 

That's about all I have so far

 

This is good stuff right here.

If I had a thousand bucks for every time I had the most kills, I'd be a millionaire   ....oh, wait....

 

but yeah Rockstar should have a look at this thread righ here.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:10 PM

The problem in survivals is the fact that everyone competes to get the most kills which makes them reckless which leads them to die which stops the team from progressing. 

 

Survival is about surviving, not racking up the most kills. Kills are useless when you're dead. Your suggestions are not advisable, it would only make people even more reckless. 

 

Bad idea. 

 Understandable. But the way Survivor is structured now -- nobody cares about the team, people care about staying in one spot for 10 rounds. If that's the case, Survival should change its name to "Camping"


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:14 PM Edited by Biff73, 29 April 2014 - 08:14 PM.

Throw in a tank as enemy at wave 10 definitely more challenging,but horrific to weaker players Also,more enemies per wave & payout like 60k-80k

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:21 PM

bonus's for not dying/getting most skills would help.

but its a lot of time for the same payoff as rooftop rumble, and you could easily do Rooftop rumble 4/5times in the same time it takes to complete 10 rounds of survival.

 

I think they need new or random types of attacks. maybe heli drops. or npc's are more organised, rather then just running in 1 by 1.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 09:21 PM Edited by Biff73, 29 April 2014 - 09:22 PM.

When those rambos charge out at wave 10 for thier glory,the remaining players ends up cleaning up the mess & still reward the rambos when you are done,the rambos should only recieve payouts of 9 waves,not 10

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:34 PM

 

 

Every player I see who isn't using their head and letting the enemies come to them runs about like a headless chicken A.K.A. Rambo.

 

Enormous quote train removed.

 

I obviously don't run around out in the open towards enemies but I will go to a group of them to cut them down, then move towards another group...using cover when required. Yeah, I die sometimes because one of the enemies gets in a shot to my face...but sh*t happens. 

 

It's not an issue, I just hate it when people yell at me over the mic and act like an army general, "I'm going to stay here, you go over there and do this."....nope. I'm going to do what I do and I'm going to pay attention to how you're playing and alter my playstyle to encompass that. 

 

That's the sort of thing I hate in Survivals because it just looks like one guy trying to Rambo it, poaching kills of everyone else.  Maybe different if everyone is in on it and is working together then it might be the way to go.

 

 

When those rambos charge out at wave 10 for thier glory,the remaining players ends up cleaning up the mess & still reward the rambos when you are done,the rambos should only recieve payouts of 9 waves,not 10

 

This.

 

I have been known to commit suicide when I'm the last man standing.  No way am I helping out a bunch of useless pricks who constantly die 30 seconds into the wave and expect me to save the day.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:54 PM Edited by CrazyRay, 29 April 2014 - 10:56 PM.

Not everybody is a hiding little pussy. I f*cking hate it when my teammates just sit there waiting for people to come to them. Survival already takes too long...now I have to wait even longer because you won't come out from behind your hiding spot? f*ck that. I'll take out the first 20 guys, if one gets in a lucky shot and I go down, then, yes, you can finish off the other 2 enemies once they make it over to your hiding spot. It's insanely annoying when there's only one enemy left and the others will just sit there waiting for him to walk over to their booby trap. Just get out of your pussy cover and go kill the guy.

Maybe you should go get an audience of military veterans and tell them that taking a tactical stance is being a "pussy"...you know WAY more than they do, apparently, because they've ONLY been in the sh*t and survived, while you're SO EXPERIENCED in warfare because you've played GTA V for several months...I'm sure they will bow to you like a god
 

the people who sit back and let others do all the killing claiming, "but I never die behind this trailer and my two kills were totally game changing." I don't even care if the others die, it just makes it more intense for me...and I don't really even mind if we don't make it to the end. sh*t happens.
 
Yeah, we get it, you like to hide the entire survival. Some of us like to work on our shooting skills and movement around the maps. 

So clueless...nobody is "hiding" when they are holding position behind cover...having the most kills in a round might give you a hard-on, but it means NOTHING, the object is SURVIVING, and running around like a one-man army on cocaine does nothing but increase your chances of being killed
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:30 PM

1- blur the line between waves and don't stop gameplay.
- when there is one enemy left, spawn wave 2. When 2 are left of those, spawn wave 3, etc.

2- spawn enemies 500m to a kilometer away, not right behind my fukking head!

3- don't stop at wave 10 - stop when we die.

4- send buzzards with rockets at wave 10. Send tanks at wave 15. Send jets at wave 20. Send all 3 at wave 25.

5- do this schit in free-roam where it belongs.

6 (5 part 2) - 16 player survival!

this, my friends.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:55 PM

Survival right now is a waste of time.  20k for an hour of survival.  Not counting the money spent on ammo.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:16 AM

How about a King of The Hill game mode? That'd be pretty cool.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:40 AM

 

Maybe you should go get an audience of military veterans and tell them that taking a tactical stance is being a "pussy"...you know WAY more than they do, apparently, because they've ONLY been in the sh*t and survived, while you're SO EXPERIENCED in warfare because you've played GTA V for several months...I'm sure they will bow to you like a god

 

Yeah...I'm going to compare our hard working, real life military to a game that isn't even military focused in the slightest. But, yes, please tell me more. I especially like it when you use all caps because then I know you're serious. 

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:57 AM


 Maybe you should go get an audience of military veterans and tell them that taking a tactical stance is being a "pussy"...you know WAY more than they do, apparently, because they've ONLY been in the sh*t and survived, while you're SO EXPERIENCED in warfare because you've played GTA V for several months...I'm sure they will bow to you like a god

 

Yeah...I'm going to compare our hard working, real life military to a game that isn't even military focused in the slightest. But, yes, please tell me more. I especially like it when you use all caps because then I know you're serious. 
So you just replied to the half of my reply that was the easier one to mock and ignored the other half
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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:57 AM

 

 

Maybe you should go get an audience of military veterans and tell them that taking a tactical stance is being a "pussy"...you know WAY more than they do, apparently, because they've ONLY been in the sh*t and survived, while you're SO EXPERIENCED in warfare because you've played GTA V for several months...I'm sure they will bow to you like a god

 

Yeah...I'm going to compare our hard working, real life military to a game that isn't even military focused in the slightest. But, yes, please tell me more. I especially like it when you use all caps because then I know you're serious. 

 

 

100% with Black Rabbit on this one.





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