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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:03 PM

I just had this thought hit me while reading a different topic about the gangs in the game, listing all the gangs and mafias and all that good stuff. I didn't know half of the gangs that were being listed, I only thought that the Vago's, Ballas, and GSF were the only gangs in the game. 

To me, I think Rockstar didn't put much emphasis into gangs, I mean I'd understand since the story doesn't revolve around Franklin being the only protagonist affiliated with gangs but I think it'd be nice if they had more mission or side missions or something that had gangs involved on Franklin's side. It kind of disappointed me that there so many gangs and I didn't have a damn clue about them. But then again Franklin is trying to get away from the gang life, but still it'd be nice if they had those cool SA mission they had for CJ or tagging, burglary, neighborhood take overs etc. 

But what do you think about it? 


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:08 PM

Hello, there is a huge Gang Life topic here that you might find interesting-->http://gtaforums.com...-in-los-santos/


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:25 PM

Hello, there is a huge Gang Life topic here that you might find interesting-->http://gtaforums.com...e-in-los-santos/

I've read this before, but thanks! 

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:32 PM Edited by Barefoot Tiger, 28 April 2014 - 08:10 PM.

 

Hello, there is a huge Gang Life topic here that you might find interesting-->http://gtaforums.com...e-in-los-santos/

I've read this before, but thanks! 

 

 

Cool. There's a couple more here that you might not have seen.

 

http://gtaforums.com...-gang-database/

http://gtaforums.com...-gang-turf-map/

 

I really think that R* deliberately played down the gang life thing so as to avoid giving the impression that GTA V is in fact GTASA II


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:52 PM

I totally agree!

Why not random gangshootings? No recruiting? I really don't understand Rockstar left those features out

For everyonewho says it shouldn't be a GTA SA 2 I don't say Rockstar should have left other stuff out but why put a semi retired gangbanger in the story and not do more with it like in a previous game?

 

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:58 PM

It would have been great to be able to recruit gang members. Best you can do is drive down grove street, fire a few shots then drive back up the other way into the gsf bit before you get killed and before they stop chasing you then watch a few of them have a shootout with the gsf. Also if you follow a cop chase sometimes it will end in a gang area and the shootout will attract gang members who will get involved.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:01 PM

Well we have "gang attacks" in GTA Online, but I also agree that they should be available in SP. Barefoot Tiger also has a point in that they don't want to copy literally everything from SA, otherwise it would basically be the same game with different characters/storyline. Still couldn't hurt to add gang attacks as a side mission thing for Franklin.


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:41 PM

Well we have "gang attacks" in GTA Online, but I also agree that they should be available in SP. Barefoot Tiger also has a point in that they don't want to copy literally everything from SA, otherwise it would basically be the same game with different characters/storyline. Still couldn't hurt to add gang attacks as a side mission thing for Franklin.

possibly if it was like drug wars from tbogt, franklin could meet with lamar and do some stuff. and anyway, i don't think anyone would complain about SA2!

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:46 PM

 

Well we have "gang attacks" in GTA Online, but I also agree that they should be available in SP. Barefoot Tiger also has a point in that they don't want to copy literally everything from SA, otherwise it would basically be the same game with different characters/storyline. Still couldn't hurt to add gang attacks as a side mission thing for Franklin.

possibly if it was like drug wars from tbogt, franklin could meet with lamar and do some stuff. and anyway, i don't think anyone would complain about SA2!

 

 

Drug wars involving gangs is something I really wanted (similar to Hood Safari) in this game, and Franklin is obviously the perfect person for it. I guess Trevor could get involved in some kind of drug war up in Blaine County while Franklin takes over LS. Wouldn't that be awesome?  :turn:

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:54 PM

 

 

Well we have "gang attacks" in GTA Online, but I also agree that they should be available in SP. Barefoot Tiger also has a point in that they don't want to copy literally everything from SA, otherwise it would basically be the same game with different characters/storyline. Still couldn't hurt to add gang attacks as a side mission thing for Franklin.

possibly if it was like drug wars from tbogt, franklin could meet with lamar and do some stuff. and anyway, i don't think anyone would complain about SA2!

 

 

Drug wars involving gangs is something I really wanted (similar to Hood Safari) in this game, and Franklin is obviously the perfect person for it. I guess Trevor could get involved in some kind of drug war up in Blaine County while Franklin takes over LS. Wouldn't that be awesome?  :turn:

 

Yeah, Trevor, Ron and Wade driving around in his truck would be awesome. It would be like the first Trevor mission which i thought was epic.

Maybe there would be something to do with the whole special edition map message thing. (has anyone found out what that message is about yet?)

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:42 AM Edited by Official General, 29 April 2014 - 11:43 AM.

Barefoot Tiger also has a point in that they don't want to copy literally everything from SA, otherwise it would basically be the same game with different characters/storyline. Still couldn't hurt to add gang attacks as a side mission thing for Franklin.

 

http://gtaforums.com...-gang-turf-map/

 

I really think that R* deliberately played down the gang life thing so as to avoid giving the impression that GTA V is in fact GTASA II

 

Both your views don't make any sense. I just don't see how including gang wars in GTA V would make it 'copying', being the same, or very similar to San Andreas. Both games have a protagonist that is black and a member of a street gang, so how can you say the later one was a copy ? They would have to have very similar aspects if they both contained black gangsta protagonists. It's not like the whole game of V was based around gangs anyway, two of the three protagonists are freelance, white male professional bank robbers. This point about V being SA.2 is just so stupid, there is no basis for it. 

 

Gang wars are an everyday fact and reality of the criminal underworld life in Los Angeles, which is the environment both games are based on. It happened a lot in the 1990s and it still happens now, even though gang culture in LA is not as highly publicized these days. Gang wars is not exclusive to SA, if that's the case, no other game should include gang wars, 'because it's exclusive to SA'. Come on, be smarter than that. 

 

I would have loved gang wars to be in V, it was perfectly suited to it. If they implemented it in V, it did not have to be done in the same manner as SA, it could have been implemented like Drug Wars in TBOGT but with more to it, and the ability to call for armed back up like Niko in GTA IV. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:33 PM

I would like if:

-Franklin could recruit members of Families(maybe other protagonists too,but would have to pay the gang members)

-there was more than one biker gang

-there was a street racing gang(like Torreto´s gang in The fast and the furious)

-there was more missions involving gangs in singleplayer(some gangs don´t even appear in any missions)

-there would be random shootouts between rival gangs on borders of their turfs

-there would be random drive by shootings in gang turfs

-gang members would sometimes interact with other NPCs(steal vehicles,sell drugs or weapons,guard prostitutes as pimps,mugged civilians...)

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:34 PM

There's a lack of gang involvement because this game isn't about gangs, it's about career criminals and heists. 

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:56 PM

There's a lack of gang involvement because this game isn't about gangs, it's about career criminals and heists.


Yes it is, some of it is because of Franklin's inclusion. As long as Franklin is a protagonist, some of the game should have been about gangs, or at least a decent bunch if side stuff related to it. Rockstar clearly implied the some of the game would significantly involve gangs, there is no denying that. That 'only about heists' talk does not disguise the fact that Rockstar messed up the gang aspect of the game, you're just making excuses for them. They messed it up, end of, no point in trying to sugar-coat it or put damage control.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:11 PM

some of the game should have been about gangs, or at least a decent bunch if side stuff related to it. 

 

SHOULD. According to who? Not according to R*, so this point is absolutely moot. 

 

 

Rockstar clearly implied the some of the game would significantly involve gangs, there is no denying that.

No, they illustrated the fact that one of the characters was a gangsta and didn't want to do that anymore when he found a way out. Which is where the story starts. So, no, you've just done what you always do and said "I thought it was going to be about this, why wasn't it about this?"

 

They AT NO POINT said, "hey, guys, we've got this new game and one of the characters is from the gangsta area, so it's totally going to be about gangstas."

 

And if they did, please provide a source. The implication was that there would be a gangsta character, not that the game would be about gangstas. Your inference is not the same as implication. 

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:23 PM




some of the game should have been about gangs, or at least a decent bunch if side stuff related to it. 

 
SHOULD. According to who? Not according to R*, so this point is absolutely moot. 
 
according to him bro, its called 'an opinion'
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:25 PM Edited by Fuzzknuckles, 29 April 2014 - 01:30 PM.

 

 


some of the game should have been about gangs, or at least a decent bunch if side stuff related to it. 

 
SHOULD. According to who? Not according to R*, so this point is absolutely moot. 
 
according to him bro, its called 'an opinion'

 

 

Sorry pal, but opinions of forums users mean nothing in the design decisions of game developers. They make the game they want to make, not the game a minority of people online think they should make - and, possibly more importantly, not the game that minority thought they SHOULD have made, when the games nearly complete.

 

I can't state this enough: Rockstar never said the game was going to be about ganglife and mindless thug bullsh*t. So why did people expect it based on a couple of tiny little snippets of gangbangers amid all the other, much more focused on in the trailer, stuff?

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:30 PM

Rockstar messed up the gang aspect of the game

They didn't "mess it up". They just didn't provide that crap the spotlight you so evidently craved and prematurely convinced yourself it would be given.

 

Element taking a back seat =/= messing element up

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:40 PM

I agree with Luchesse. It seems like there was a common misconception that, because it was based in San Andreas, and it had a gangbanger in it, we'd get a rehash of SA. We got something different, and people can't see why. This doesn't mean they f*cked up, it means they made a game different to what you expected, based on your own interpretation of the trailers. 

 

I got exactly what I thought we'd get, in terms of story and features, so maybe I just watched the trailer without focusing on tiny details too much. To be fair, I think I watched both of the original trailers, 5, maybe 6 times, prior to release. Didn't watch them multiple times, didn't get involved in trailer analysis threads, because there's too much room to be misled by those. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:48 PM

If you focus on the light when the moon is up, the jumping is all out at every single corner, so yeah..


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:12 PM Edited by Muthaphuckaa, 29 April 2014 - 02:16 PM.

I would like if:

 

-there was more missions involving gangs in singleplayer(some gangs don´t even appear in any missions)

 

 Those are the words i was trying to find!! ahhhh! yeah there's hardly any gangs involved in mission and if they are they don't make it seem like it you know? how are gonna know what gangs or which gangs are who if they're not presented in some way like in mission or show a rivalry like in SA with GSF and ballas or talking about them or something! 
I can say i do remember in mission they'll mention a gang but the game is focused on something different and you kind of forget about Frankin being a former G with the move out from the hood and being in a high class surrounding takes you out the realization of any gang material until you cruise through gang territories or something


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:15 PM Edited by Official General, 29 April 2014 - 02:25 PM.

some of the game should have been about gangs, or at least a decent bunch if side stuff related to it.

 
SHOULD. According to who? Not according to R*, so this point is absolutely moot. 
 
 

Rockstar clearly implied the some of the game would significantly involve gangs, there is no denying that.

No, they illustrated the fact that one of the characters was a gangsta and didn't want to do that anymore when he found a way out. Which is where the story starts. So, no, you've just done what you always do and said "I thought it was going to be about this, why wasn't it about this?"
 
They AT NO POINT said, "hey, guys, we've got this new game and one of the characters is from the gangsta area, so it's totally going to be about gangstas."
 
And if they did, please provide a source. The implication was that there would be a gangsta character, not that the game would be about gangstas. Your inference is not the same as implication.
Of course Rockstar did not say all that, they don't have to. I don't care for all the pointless fine technicalities you highlighted, I have my opinion and many others feel the same way. There has been so many threads about this, the OP has made another. It goes to show it's not a minor issue. You have your opinion and I have mine, which will not change.

The evidence is there, Rockstar implied it. If you need me to show it you, then it's no use me continuing this discussion with you. Me and you have been over this many times before.

My opinion is in line with the OP. Rockstar messed up

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:33 PM

I don't care for all the pointless fine technicalities you highlighted

That seems to be your problem - stubbornness. And his "technicalities" weren't pointless. Quite the opposite, actually.

 

See, this is why not many people take you seriously as a debater anymore. Fuzzknuckles presented you with facts, and you choose to "refute" them by either claiming you "don't care", or your opinions and misconceptions are a valid counter argument.

 

The evidence is there, Rockstar implied it.

You do realise that statement is a complete contradiction, right?


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:07 PM

 

 

some of the game should have been about gangs, or at least a decent bunch if side stuff related to it.

 
SHOULD. According to who? Not according to R*, so this point is absolutely moot. 
 
 

Rockstar clearly implied the some of the game would significantly involve gangs, there is no denying that.

No, they illustrated the fact that one of the characters was a gangsta and didn't want to do that anymore when he found a way out. Which is where the story starts. So, no, you've just done what you always do and said "I thought it was going to be about this, why wasn't it about this?"
 
They AT NO POINT said, "hey, guys, we've got this new game and one of the characters is from the gangsta area, so it's totally going to be about gangstas."
 
And if they did, please provide a source. The implication was that there would be a gangsta character, not that the game would be about gangstas. Your inference is not the same as implication.
Of course Rockstar did not say all that, they don't have to. I don't care for all the pointless fine technicalities you highlighted, I have my opinion and many others feel the same way. There has been so many threads about this, the OP has made another. It goes to show it's not a minor issue. You have your opinion and I have mine, which will not change.

The evidence is there, Rockstar implied it. If you need me to show it you, then it's no use me continuing this discussion with you. Me and you have been over this many times before.

My opinion is in line with the OP. Rockstar messed up

 

I don't need you to show me it, I've seen the trailers, I know which bits your mind has taken out of context and blown out of proportion,. 

 

You need to move on. The game isn't what you wanted, we get that. We SO get that. We SO know what you wanted and what you were disappointed by. Because you've mentioned it SO many times. Yet you continue to play it. You're just feeding your own disappointment.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:47 PM

You can get some pretty good interactions with gang members

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:56 PM Edited by Official General, 29 April 2014 - 10:59 PM.

I don't need you to show me it, I've seen the trailers, I know which bits your mind has taken out of context and blown out of proportion,. 

 

You need to move on. The game isn't what you wanted, we get that. We SO get that. We SO know what you wanted and what you were disappointed by. Because you've mentioned it SO many times. Yet you continue to play it. You're just feeding your own disappointment.

 

Errm, excuse me, but when did I ever tell you that I still play it ? You got me mixed up with someone else.

 

I've not touched GTA V since January, and I barely played it after completing the story last year November. My copy of V has been collecting dust ever since. The most recent games I've been playing are Max Payne 3 and Sleeping Dogs.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:06 AM

To be frank GTA SA's gang activity wasnt that whole good either.. and i have to  agree with fuzzknuckles.. the main focus of the protags was heists. Franklin only really used that CGF as a backstory since rockstar coundt find a better one


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:45 AM

To be frank GTA SA's gang activity wasnt that whole good either.. and i have to  agree with fuzzknuckles.. the main focus of the protags was heists. Franklin only really used that CGF as a backstory since rockstar coundt find a better one

 

Well I thought the gang activity in SA was great for it's time (I think it still is), and it was something very fun to do outside of story missions. Recruiting gang members via the respect bar was an original piece of GTA gameplay, that was some classic stuff, doing drive-bys for the first time ever like that in a video game was surreal. Also in SA, I loved the way rival gangs in the streets would have random shootouts with each other unconnected to the player, it just made the hood feel more dangerous and alive. The gang activity stuff proved to be hugely popular, so I'd safely say you are in the minority with your view of it. 

 

And go ahead listening to Fuzz and not reading my posts properly. I did not say the whole V game was about gangs. Not once did I say that. 


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 02:07 AM

 

Rockstar clearly implied the some of the game would significantly involve gangs, there is no denying that.

No, they illustrated the fact that one of the characters was a gangsta and didn't want to do that anymore when he found a way out. 

 

They made it seem like Franklin wanted out of the gang life, but was still heavily involved in it.

 

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There should have been more gang activity for Franklin.  It would have made the game better with more action and excitement.  Instead, they just give him a house he doesn't even have to earn and he eats chips and irons his shirts.  He went from criminal to bored housewife in the blink of an eye.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:19 AM

Ive never ever seen the PD arrest anyone ever since I started playing simnce day 1 release. Those pictures are from actual ingame footage, yet the PD just shoots down peds.
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