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Posted 07 April 2014 - 03:32 PM

I believe that people born into poor countries need to stay there because that is what God has decided for them. If you are born into one of the wealthier countries then you deserve to have a higher standard of living because that is what God wants for you. 

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 04:02 PM Edited by Los Santos Police Department, 07 April 2014 - 04:07 PM.

Up in California, Hispanics are expanded throughout. 

California used to be a part of Mexico until the Mexican-American war in 1846, so you shouldn't be having a problem with the Mexicans living there. 

 

We're too busy focused on donating to other countries and allowing people into our country because they are hungry, but yet many American born persons are living in poverty and they aren't receiving the proper support.

Some of these countries are in that condition because of the USA. The US needs to improve their image in these countries (e.g. Afghanistan and Pakistan).

 

As for poverty/hunger in the states, your government is spending billions of dollars to take care of the issue.

 

 Immigrants will control what we currently call the "United States of America". 

That's been the case since 1776. ;)

 

New York will turn into Afghanistan, Washington will turn into Islamabad, and everyone will be wearing turbans and robes.

That is very unlikely to happen.

 

Race should always come first. Our own should always come first. Then when these Southern Asians take over our country, we won't be able to regain control.

Race comes first? What about the native Americans killed so that whites could live on their land? I don't see you complaining about that! 

 

The southern Asians immigrating to the US are helping your country! What's your problem with them? 

 

Stop with the petty racism.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 06:40 PM

Immigrants will control what we currently call the "United States of America". New York will turn into Afghanistan, Washington will turn into Islamabad, and everyone will be wearing turbans and robes. We shouldn't be selling out our country. Race should always come first. Our own should always come first. Then when these Southern Asians take over our country, we won't be able to regain control.

Are you a character out of South Park?

Please tell me you're a character out of South Park...

You can't possibly not be a character out of South Park.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 01:08 PM Edited by Coat., 08 April 2014 - 01:09 PM.

Immigration causes conflict.

If a country is prepared to deal with the conflict in a proper manner, then great. But if they want to do it in a manner of same suicide attack; then no.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:18 AM Edited by Andreas, 13 April 2014 - 10:20 AM.

Immigration is a subject which I am confronted with daily. Well, for instance, about 2/3 of my class are people from Turkey or other eastern countries. And wherever I go, there are more immigrants than actual Austrians. My thoughts? It's not a bad thing and I honestly don't care which country people are from. I don't know it the other way, it's been the same as far as I can remember back. A human being is a human being, there is no difference to me.

However, immigration needs to be controlled as it wouldn't work if we opened the borders. There should be laws in place that prescribe the requirements to immigrate, in my opinion, since allowing people to do whatever the hell they want can't be good for the economy. I heard about numerous cases in the last few years where people who, for example, just arrived Austria don't understand the official language and haven't contributed anything to the country but they nonetheless receive unemployment benefits.

 

Yeah, I mean unemployment benefits and I'm talking about ~1000€ and more, which is at least ~250€ more than the minimum collateral of someone who is jobless and has only very little experience in the working environment. Which is anything but fair considering that the Employeement Service often even struggles to give unemployment benefits to those who really need it. If anything, it should be about equal since that is a democracy... right? It obviously is dependent on the circumstances as well.

 

If you want to emigrate to another country, it should be a requirement to speak/understand their official language. I think those who aren't willing to adapt to the society can leave and shouldn't complain about things that have been the same since, like, forever. For example, politicians were talking about the prohibition of Christian hymns in our schools because Muslims are allegedly offended by it. I don't get it though, I've never heard about it before until our politicians started heated discussions and debates about it in the parliament.

 

If I moved to another country, then I would have to adapt to the said country's society and culture and not they to me. A multicultural country means there are people from several nations with different backgrounds, religions, beliefs, cultures, et cetera. It's not fair if the government told you what you are allowed to do and what not, especially if it's about something like religion, traditions, and so forth. That's just plain ludicrous in my view because these things count to the fundamental rights of all people.


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:24 AM

New York will turn into Afghanistan, 

 

YES! I can finally own an AK47!

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 04:20 PM

 

New York will turn into Afghanistan, 

 

YES! I can finally own an AK47!

 

and three wives!


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 04:38 PM

 

 

New York will turn into Afghanistan, 

 

YES! I can finally own an AK47!

 

and three wives!

 

 

So New York will turn into Utah?

 

I'm not sure how I'd feel about that county ordinance. Meth use will SOAR.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 04:44 PM Edited by Audiophile, 13 April 2014 - 04:45 PM.

Yeah, I am pretty sick of, for example, Muslims wanting everyone else to adapt to their culture and their lifestyle. I'm sorry to use that as an example but I've found it to be the most vocal one where I live. I realize some of you are going to say I am generalizing just because I typed Muslims and not "some" but I think it's obvious I don't mean every single one so don't laser on to one word in my post to bitch about it. 

 

If I were to migrate to a Muslim country, imagine me causing a fuss to get them to adapt to my beliefs and culture? I'd have a very bad time of it, to say the least. 

 

For example: a group of Muslims here want to open a residential complex that is Muslim-only. The only tenants that would be allowed are Muslims, no whites, no asians, etc. Now, it's against the law to do something like that but I've found the law is sometimes bent when it comes to groups of minorities, like this not all of them, voicing themselves and especially if it gains some publicity. Add to that, even if they are told not to outright refuse tenancy to non-Muslims, they can go about it in other ways that don't seem like they're outright refusing on the basis of race. I've seen it happen before. Some employers and residential complexes refuse people that aren't their own race but cloak it under some other BS reason that doesn't seem sinister. 

 

If you come here and want nothing more to do with the country aside from the benefits of living here, that's wrong. You cannot come here and act like you're still over there. Or act like it's some big favour that you're here in the first place. People that can barely speak a word of the country's language or who don't contribute to the overall at all, like Andreas was pointing out. 

 

For as long as I can remember I hear about these cases where Muslim families would kill their own daughter or son or children in an "honour killing" because they brought shame to the family either through adapting a more Western outlook and attitude in life or a romantic relationship that wasn't approved of. They always use the excuse of "it's our religion that allows us to do this". Well, this is Canada. We have laws against murdering people here. You cannot just kill your own child and then claim it's your religion that allows you to do it or your beliefs. 

 

When I was growing up, people would say "Merry Christmas", there would be Christmas decorations all over the city. Even people that weren't religious enjoyed it and got involved. I'm not particularly religious myself but I do celebrate Christmas, Easter, etc. Fast forward some years later and now I have to say "Happy Holidays" to not offend certain individuals? I have to police myself? 

 

Why do I have to adapt away from things that I have been doing my entire life, that a country has been doing since it's existence, for group of people that decided to migrate to another country and rather than adapting themselves want to force other people to conform to things like that?

I am pretty sick of it. I'm all for immigrants and immigration but I hate it when things like this happen. It sure as hell wouldn't happen if I were to immigrate to another country myself. Multi-culturism doesn't work when you go about doing things like this. 

 

There has to be moderation, on both sides. There are many benefits of immigration: culture, food, economy and so on, it's been described throughout this thread. But when things like the above happen, that is not a benefit and that is multiculturalism backfiring. I for one am sick of that happening and so many others are but for obvious reasons, most people do not speak out about this. 

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 04:46 PM

Is it possible that the illegal immigrant brings an infection and might be reinfecting the populace, which might have developed a way to hide the symptoms?

Corruption in Government. The U.S. has done a pretty good job of concealing it over the years. The F.B.I. doing the occasional Show Trial.
Now, with people fleeing from openly corrupt countries may by being inured to that kind of conduct allow it to become more prevalent here, again?

So to protect the existing U.S. Government they should be shot at the border.
Else, like Texas the illegals will usurp the current Governments and return the Southern States to Mexico :) Run with that you Racists. :^:

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 04:50 PM

Is it possible that the illegal immigrant brings an infection and might be reinfecting the populace, which might have developed a way to hide the symptoms?

Corruption in Government. The U.S. has done a pretty good job of concealing it over the years. The F.B.I. doing the occasional Show Trial.
Now, with people fleeing from openly corrupt countries may by being inured to that kind of conduct allow it to become more prevalent here, again?

So to protect the existing U.S. Government they should be shot at the border.
Else, like Texas the illegals will usurp the current Governments and return the Southern States to Mexico :) Run with that you Racists. :^:

 

What on earth are you going on about? 

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 04:57 PM

What on earth are you going on about?

If you are too dense to understand the rant then go sit in the corner until you do. Ah... I see now, it is a simple post to increase your count. Well done :^: Now, bugger off and enjoy the TV cartoons.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:03 PM Edited by Audiophile, 13 April 2014 - 05:03 PM.

No, I understand perfectly well what you are ranting on about. I'd just like to know exactly what basis you have for this little rant, what exactly it adds to the discussion and why? 

 

But then I don't know why I bothered asking because I just have to refer to your post history to see that you post things all the time that have no real basis in the real world and are just meant to drive through your own point. 

 

Oh yes, some people here are so racist that they believe illegal immigrants are bringing along an infection to the States! Every one fears an invasion and take over!

 

There's either fools like you on one end of the spectrum or fools like Black & White on the other end. All you have in common is you are all fools. 

 

I'll bugger off though. I don't want to waste time actually debating with you as I've seen the outcome time and time again and I really have no issue with immigrants or illegals or whatever else in the United States. Your post just irked me as odd. 


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:11 PM

Can whites not be Muslims? and most Muslims are 'asian' anyway...

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:20 PM

Yes, Muslims can be any race, as it's a religion. I'm sure you know. 

 

That wasn't the point of what I was saying. I'm not arguing about races, religions, or even against a specific group of people immigrating. I am talking about adapting and lack of it by some when they immigrate.

 

Refer to my earlier post in this thread or really any other of my posts on this issue. I'm an immigrant to Canada myself from Australia. I've got nothing against immigration. I'm talking about adapting to a country once you've immigrated. As I wrote in my earlier post in this thread, it's great to retain aspects of your culture such as language, food, customs. That benefits society as a whole to be exposed to new things. But you cannot come to another country and retain 110% of your beliefs and customs or try and isolate yourself into a bubble within that. 

 

That is all I am talking about: adaption. I'm not arguing against immigration or immigrants. 


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:30 PM

Muslims started immigrating to the west recently so that's why they still have different cultures, I guess. Give it another 2-3 generations and they'll be the same.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 06:40 PM

Does anybody know what country first established immigration laws?
And why?

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:13 PM

Do immigration laws consist of killing people not the same race as you? If so, then probably even before modern Homo Sapiens. 


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:35 PM

i love immigrants

 

the book of ibn saltoum said in 1203: "spread your seed and harvest it"

 

sounds like farming advice but it means to get out there and spread

the human seed

not that one

 

the question is, is the world prepared to experience it's first years without european dominance.

in many years.

?

certainly more advanced than any other.

sheer geography

the say the weather of mesopotamia was similar to greece at the time

geography shapes the minds.


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 02:36 AM

Everybody complains about Muslims expecting us to adapt to their culture but I've never seen it happen. I mean, I used to know some Muslims guys who constantly complained about the food, but that's fair enough. Who wants to eat bangers and mash?

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 09:12 AM Edited by D- Ice, 14 April 2014 - 09:17 AM.

i love immigrants

 

the book of ibn saltoum said in 1203: "spread your seed and harvest it"

 

sounds like farming advice but it means to get out there and spread

the human seed

not that one

 

the question is, is the world prepared to experience it's first years without european dominance.

in many years.

?

certainly more advanced than any other.

sheer geography

the say the weather of mesopotamia was similar to greece at the time

geography shapes the minds.

The weather in Mesopotamia was never really like Greece in the time-frame I'm guessing you are talking about (since the Late Neolithic Age to Early Bronze Age). This can be seen in how the type of agriculture and natural flora and fauna have remained the exact same from the time of ancient Mesopotamia to contemporary Iraq.

 

Though you are spot on in how geography, climate and natural resources affects the type of civilisation and cultures that arise in different parts of the world - it is not down to the inherent superiority or inferiority of the people.

The earliest known urban settlements where in Mesopotamia, followed closely by ones in the larger Fertile Crescent region. This was due to the ferile land and climate making agriculture easier, and so the human population there quickly increased, leading to the advents of urban settlements and efficient production by skilled artisans - hallmarks or urban civilisation.

Arab historian Ibn Khaldūn writes some of the earliest and best detailed analysis of the development of human civilisation and the rise and fall of empires, if you're interested in that sort of stuff.

 

Everybody complains about Muslims expecting us to adapt to their culture but I've never seen it happen. I mean, I used to know some Muslims guys who constantly complained about the food, but that's fair enough. Who wants to eat bangers and mash?

Lol I actually prefer sausages and mash over the terrible Iraqi food I was brought up on. I don't know why so many people complain about Western cuisine - anything beats boiled meat and vegetable in a thin sauce (with small variations) and rice almost every day! :dozing:


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 09:16 AM

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:43 AM

 

i love immigrants

 

the book of ibn saltoum said in 1203: "spread your seed and harvest it"

 

sounds like farming advice but it means to get out there and spread

the human seed

not that one

 

the question is, is the world prepared to experience it's first years without european dominance.

in many years.

?

certainly more advanced than any other.

sheer geography

the say the weather of mesopotamia was similar to greece at the time

geography shapes the minds.

The weather in Mesopotamia was never really like Greece in the time-frame I'm guessing you are talking about (since the Late Neolithic Age to Early Bronze Age). This can be seen in how the type of agriculture and natural flora and fauna have remained the exact same from the time of ancient Mesopotamia to contemporary Iraq.

I believe you are incorrect

is it true, that there was a man by the name of Genghis,

whom pured all ink from the library of Baghdad into the rivers

poisoning the soil?

?

was there not a man by the name of "greedy human"

who over exploited the fertile crescent

and had to migrate

awaaay


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 06:20 AM

diversity equals white genocide

 

anyways, i h8 immigrants(illegals) because they take er jebz!!!


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:36 AM Edited by iEdwin, 15 April 2014 - 07:40 AM.

diversity equals white genocide
 
anyways, i h8 immigrants(illegals) because they take er jebz!!!

THEY TOOK YER JEB TEW?! AWW HELL NAW!! *slams cheeseburger on the ground* This is an outrage! What a waste of good cheeseburger... Oh well, 5-second rule!

Anyways, I don't care about immigrants. They're people too.

Except the no good, hairy ones. Those can stay wherever they came from. Furry bastards.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:03 AM

In USA, immigrants pretty much keep the economy, and country, running.

-they do all the labour intensive jobs, while the obese americans do all the cushy sitting jobs.





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