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Posted 02 April 2014 - 04:54 PM

They f*cked up with SA's stupid story, so they simply hit the reset button.

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 05:17 PM Edited by Blood-Is-in-Diamond, 02 April 2014 - 05:19 PM.

They f*cked up with SA's stupid story, so they simply hit the reset button.


Then that will be a reboot lol,but yeah you could say the GTA's Multiverse module is a reboot (but not a complete overhaul) ;)

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 05:33 PM Edited by ViceCityStalker, 02 April 2014 - 05:34 PM.

I think they should let all past,present and future GTA characters exist in one universe.So what if sometimes some continuity gets f*cked with.They should keep the canon as open world as the game should be.That is my two shaven pussies worth.

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 05:55 PM Edited by freedom, 02 April 2014 - 05:57 PM.

Hey guys, How do you feel about not seeing past GTA characters in GTA V? It's nothing new and you may know R* always said, "The 3D universe doesn't exist in the HD universe." and that's why they can't be seen together, etc. This is a ridiculous excuse, there is no reason not to create an HD character from a 3D character, fan art shows it is very achievable, I have seen some amazing HD photos of characters from 3D GTAs, and how about Max Payne? Another R* game, who's protag has been the same person throughout the 3D and HD era, no fuss in different universes there, same company, same game engines as 3D/HD GTA games, and one other fact that really made me think is, if you got the collectors edition of the game, you can choose some very special parents for your character in GTA Online:

Claude from GTA III (A 3D GTA game)

Mindy from GTA III

R* broke the fourth rule here, adding a 3D character in an HD game, the complete opposite of what R* had said was not "Possible"

 

These are just my thoughts, and most of the stuff I have written might not appeal to you, but I just think if GTA fans want to see a favourite character of theirs from a past game, they should at least get a cameo. 

 

It's not an excuse.

 

When Rockstar say, "The 3D universe doesn't exist in the HD universe", they are talking about their purely creative descision to disregard the specific geography & characters of the 5th gen GTA games & thus, begining with GTA IV, they essentially started afresh(some what) with the franchise.

 

It has got nothing to do with what's technically achievable, or the game engine. I mean, that would be nonesense, there is nothing stopping Rockstar(or anyone) from creating those characters in a higher fidelity(or a lower fidelity) if they wanted too.

 

Again, it's a solely a creative decsision to have the GTA games be canonically seperate by console generation. It also has nothing do with Rockstars other franchises, whether they follow suit or not.


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 06:03 PM

Wish they did.  Would be cool to play as Claude.
I wanna know what his voice sounds like.
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what if all this time he just didn't know English?

Then he wouldn't understand what people were ordering him to do.
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Posted 02 April 2014 - 06:07 PM

I think characters from 3D universe does appear in the HD Era, they're maybe just a HD universe redention, They're not the same person we see in the 3D universe, but is the same person.

 

Confused? Me too, It's kinda hard to explain.

 

Take this for an example, Carl Johnson is in the HD universe, he may exist but not the same one we see in the 3D universe, he didn't jump universes, Like he's still a member of Grove Street Families, but in the HD universe.

 

Another example may be Madd Dogg, he may appear in the HD universe, but he's not the same one we see in the 3D universe, he's still a rapper though.

 

Hell, maybe even what happened in the 3D universe did happened at the HD universe, Like Claude's story, his quest for revenge may happen in his HD universe version, but it happened in the HD universe LC.

 

I'm sure you get what I'm saying from the examples above, maybe not, I can't explain it much.

It's just my own theory though...

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 08:59 PM

I think characters from 3D universe does appear in the HD Era, they're maybe just a HD universe redention, They're not the same person we see in the 3D universe, but is the same person.
 
Confused? Me too, It's kinda hard to explain.
 
Take this for an example, Carl Johnson is in the HD universe, he may exist but not the same one we see in the 3D universe, he didn't jump universes, Like he's still a member of Grove Street Families, but in the HD universe.
 
Another example may be Madd Dogg, he may appear in the HD universe, but he's not the same one we see in the 3D universe, he's still a rapper though.
 
Hell, maybe even what happened in the 3D universe did happened at the HD universe, Like Claude's story, his quest for revenge may happen in his HD universe version, but it happened in the HD universe LC.
 
I'm sure you get what I'm saying from the examples above, maybe not, I can't explain it much.
It's just my own theory though...


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#38

Posted 02 April 2014 - 09:38 PM

Nobody complained when Rockstar changed universes the first time. Just because the 2D era wasn't as popular doesn't mean it didn't exist. LC, VC and SA were completely different back then and nearly all of the things didn't cross over barring the few references like el Burro, Zaibatsu, etc.
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Posted 02 April 2014 - 10:03 PM

Of course I do. It's just a way to do a fresh start. Think about it like two different movies; they could be set in the same location and even be made by the same director but that doesn't mean that they have to be tied.

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 10:47 PM

R* can do exactly what they like - they can bring old characters back if they want to, or not. In this case, they decided to start with a whole new universe and fresh set of characters from IV onwards. It's not an excuse, it is a choice.

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 10:48 PM

R* won't bring old characters back, so you may just forget about it. If character had physical form in the game then he's gone for good. 

Oh man.. That means.. Lazlow won't be in GTA 6


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 11:13 PM


R* won't bring old characters back, so you may just forget about it. If character had physical form in the game then he's gone for good. 

Oh man.. That means.. Lazlow won't be in GTA 6

There's plenty of life left in the HD universe yet. Still enough to cover Vice City, San Fiero and Las Ventura's, easily three games right there if they go with the GTAV style.

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 11:23 PM

Well, that proves difficult when SA and LC look completely different... 


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 11:27 PM

Rockstar simply doesn't like to do fan service (seeing as they have new protagonists each game, and they killed that one).This in my opinion is a good thing since not only because fan service ruinsa lot of good shows, games and movies but also allows every GTA to have a fresh story seem from a different perspective.
 
And the way you say in the OP it's like there's "10 rules of 3D and HD universe" written in a stone in Rockstar HQ. If they want to bring CJ back for GTA 6 they bring, but the thing is they dont want to.
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Posted 03 April 2014 - 03:40 PM

I just think they should leave the old classics alone. 

 

If anything they should add the old "crappy"" models into the game like a novelty skin/model, but I don't think they should make them "HD".


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 04:25 PM

The OP has pretty much stated everything I've been saying all along.

 

From a technical standpoint, I suppose the cities and counties just pretty much have to improve and get more realistic as time goes on, there's no changing or getting around that.  But GTA has such a wealth of characters that nobody who isn't a fan would even notice if the series were to recycle a few old characters.  To say that Rockstar couldn't make an HD CJ who looks like CJ from San Andreas only older and with shiny graphics is just f*cking retarded.  So from a creative standpoint, NOT bringing back a few old characters is just stupid.  I mean, Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories gave us plenty of new characters.  It's just that the idea of playing as somebody we've seen before, or seeing a new side to an old character, appeals to people every bit as much as new and interesting characters.

 

I'll tell you who else is an idiot is anybody who believed whoever said Online wasn't canon.  It takes place BEFORE GTAV.  That's why Simeon's still around and Ashley and Johnny get mentioned as still being alive.  What Online really needs is more missions.  Like getting jobs from Stretch during visiting hours at Bolingbroke, or taking on bounties for Maude, or, just for the Hell of it, here's an original idea: actually give us some new characters besides Gerald.  I mean, look, I want to see old faces as much as anyone here, and the multiple universes don't mean sh*t to me and all, but Online takes it too far.  And none of this bullsh*t with giving us new races and gang attacks and calling them "jobs."


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 04:40 PM

No one has said the old characters simply cease to exist, just that they are different in this era.

For example, in this era, Grove Street didn't fight back, it was taken over by the Ballas and The Families that used to own that patch have been run out. This implies at least that if the CJ in this era existed, he wasn't as tough as the 3D era one.

Another example would be Lazlow, in the 3D era, he was Sarcastic, Arrogant and Witty, he was quite smart but always considered annoying (see Chatterbox and V-Rock). In the HD era they traded that off and made Lazlow more of a wimp, a pathetic washed up desperate has been, there's a clear difference between them, personally I'm not much of a fan of this pathetic Lazlow and liked the GTA3 Chatterbox era of Lazlow much better where he was like the only sane person but let t get to his head.
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Posted 03 April 2014 - 05:12 PM

No one has said the old characters simply cease to exist, just that they are different in this era.

For example, in this era, Grove Street didn't fight back, it was taken over by the Ballas and The Families that used to own that patch have been run out. This implies at least that if the CJ in this era existed, he wasn't as tough as the 3D era one.

Another example would be Lazlow, in the 3D era, he was Sarcastic, Arrogant and Witty, he was quite smart but always considered annoying (see Chatterbox and V-Rock). In the HD era they traded that off and made Lazlow more of a wimp, a pathetic washed up desperate has been, there's a clear difference between them, personally I'm not much of a fan of this pathetic Lazlow and liked the GTA3 Chatterbox era of Lazlow much better where he was like the only sane person but let t get to his head.

I wouldn't say that it's a "different" CJ.  I mean, it's still the same CJ who painted the entire map of LS green in '92.  Just like Johnny K was the same Johnny K who blasted his way into prison and put a bullet through Billy Grey's snitching skull-tattooed forehead.

 

It's just that CJ's set ended up being given to the Ballas and Johnny became a meth addict.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 05:18 PM Edited by CJ killed Ryder, 03 April 2014 - 05:30 PM.

It's Misty and not Mindy. 

 

OT: There's a Love Fist-character in V.

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 05:32 PM

No one has said the old characters simply cease to exist, just that they are different in this era.

For example, in this era, Grove Street didn't fight back, it was taken over by the Ballas and The Families that used to own that patch have been run out. This implies at least that if the CJ in this era existed, he wasn't as tough as the 3D era one.

Another example would be Lazlow, in the 3D era, he was Sarcastic, Arrogant and Witty, he was quite smart but always considered annoying (see Chatterbox and V-Rock). In the HD era they traded that off and made Lazlow more of a wimp, a pathetic washed up desperate has been, there's a clear difference between them, personally I'm not much of a fan of this pathetic Lazlow and liked the GTA3 Chatterbox era of Lazlow much better where he was like the only sane person but let t get to his head.

I wouldn't say that it's a "different" CJ.  I mean, it's still the same CJ who painted the entire map of LS green in '92.  Just like Johnny K was the same Johnny K who blasted his way into prison and put a bullet through Billy Grey's snitching skull-tattooed forehead.
 
It's just that CJ's set ended up being given to the Ballas and Johnny became a meth addict.


That's different though.

Johnny K IS the same universe as GTAV, both GTA IV and GTAV are the "HD era", this Los Santos was around when all that sh*t in Liberty City went down. However, the events of the 3D era are left open as they wouldn't have played out exactly like we remember them, so Johnny breaking into the prison and killing Billy, that happened in this universe, CJ being all gangbanger/casino manager/garage owner/stealth agent on the other hand, maybe not.

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 05:39 PM

 

 

No one has said the old characters simply cease to exist, just that they are different in this era.

For example, in this era, Grove Street didn't fight back, it was taken over by the Ballas and The Families that used to own that patch have been run out. This implies at least that if the CJ in this era existed, he wasn't as tough as the 3D era one.

Another example would be Lazlow, in the 3D era, he was Sarcastic, Arrogant and Witty, he was quite smart but always considered annoying (see Chatterbox and V-Rock). In the HD era they traded that off and made Lazlow more of a wimp, a pathetic washed up desperate has been, there's a clear difference between them, personally I'm not much of a fan of this pathetic Lazlow and liked the GTA3 Chatterbox era of Lazlow much better where he was like the only sane person but let t get to his head.

I wouldn't say that it's a "different" CJ.  I mean, it's still the same CJ who painted the entire map of LS green in '92.  Just like Johnny K was the same Johnny K who blasted his way into prison and put a bullet through Billy Grey's snitching skull-tattooed forehead.
 
It's just that CJ's set ended up being given to the Ballas and Johnny became a meth addict.

 


That's different though.

Johnny K IS the same universe as GTAV, both GTA IV and GTAV are the "HD era", this Los Santos was around when all that sh*t in Liberty City went down. However, the events of the 3D era are left open as they wouldn't have played out exactly like we remember them, so Johnny breaking into the prison and killing Billy, that happened in this universe, CJ being all gangbanger/casino manager/garage owner/stealth agent on the other hand, maybe not.

 

I don't think this ERA will ever end, I mean where can you go from here? What comes after HD? The 4000k Universe? Might aswell keep it HD for good.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 05:56 PM

 

 

 

No one has said the old characters simply cease to exist, just that they are different in this era.

For example, in this era, Grove Street didn't fight back, it was taken over by the Ballas and The Families that used to own that patch have been run out. This implies at least that if the CJ in this era existed, he wasn't as tough as the 3D era one.

Another example would be Lazlow, in the 3D era, he was Sarcastic, Arrogant and Witty, he was quite smart but always considered annoying (see Chatterbox and V-Rock). In the HD era they traded that off and made Lazlow more of a wimp, a pathetic washed up desperate has been, there's a clear difference between them, personally I'm not much of a fan of this pathetic Lazlow and liked the GTA3 Chatterbox era of Lazlow much better where he was like the only sane person but let t get to his head.

I wouldn't say that it's a "different" CJ.  I mean, it's still the same CJ who painted the entire map of LS green in '92.  Just like Johnny K was the same Johnny K who blasted his way into prison and put a bullet through Billy Grey's snitching skull-tattooed forehead.
 
It's just that CJ's set ended up being given to the Ballas and Johnny became a meth addict.

 


That's different though.

Johnny K IS the same universe as GTAV, both GTA IV and GTAV are the "HD era", this Los Santos was around when all that sh*t in Liberty City went down. However, the events of the 3D era are left open as they wouldn't have played out exactly like we remember them, so Johnny breaking into the prison and killing Billy, that happened in this universe, CJ being all gangbanger/casino manager/garage owner/stealth agent on the other hand, maybe not.

 

I don't think this ERA will ever end, I mean where can you go from here? What comes after HD? The 4000k Universe? Might aswell keep it HD for good.

 

They can always reboot it if they want.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 05:58 PM

It's complete bollocks. It basically just boils down to "Its all the same universe we just pick and choose who we want to bring back and not bring back."

The whole "universe" nonsense was just dreamt up in an attempt to explain why the cities look so different.

As far as I'm concerned, it's all the same universe.
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Posted 03 April 2014 - 06:41 PM

It's complete bollocks. It basically just boils down to "Its all the same universe we just pick and choose who we want to bring back and not bring back."

The whole "universe" nonsense was just dreamt up in an attempt to explain why the cities look so different.

As far as I'm concerned, it's all the same universe.

Look who's back, eh?


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 07:11 PM

It's complete bollocks. It basically just boils down to "Its all the same universe we just pick and choose who we want to bring back and not bring back."

The whole "universe" nonsense was just dreamt up in an attempt to explain why the cities look so different.

As far as I'm concerned, it's all the same universe.

The multiplayer character for Online DOES exist in the HD universe, but how he/she looks is non-canon and never revealed to allow player choice. The returning characters like Claude and Misty were only there for the novelty. They aren't becoming Claude/Misty, they just tend to be like them aesthetically. The Online portion of V is entirely non-canon, despite the Online protagonist helping Lester at some point.

 

Yeah, god forbid Rockstar trying to make some money by having Claude/Misty come in the Collectors Edition. Right? RIGHT?


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 07:15 PM

It's complete bollocks. It basically just boils down to "Its all the same universe we just pick and choose who we want to bring back and not bring back."

The whole "universe" nonsense was just dreamt up in an attempt to explain why the cities look so different.

As far as I'm concerned, it's all the same universe.

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 07:18 PM

 

It's complete bollocks. It basically just boils down to "Its all the same universe we just pick and choose who we want to bring back and not bring back."

The whole "universe" nonsense was just dreamt up in an attempt to explain why the cities look so different.

As far as I'm concerned, it's all the same universe.

The multiplayer character for Online DOES exist in the HD universe, but how he/she looks is non-canon and never revealed to allow player choice. The returning characters like Claude and Misty were only there for the novelty. They aren't becoming Claude/Misty, they just tend to be like them aesthetically. The Online portion of V is entirely non-canon, despite the Online protagonist helping Lester at some point.

 

Yeah, god forbid Rockstar trying to make some money by having Claude/Misty come in the Collectors Edition. Right? RIGHT?

 

Yeah, uh, no.  You got it HALF right.  Online IS canon.  I'd say it is canon in that Gerald, Lamar, Ron, Trevor, Lester, Simeon and Martin and whoever else I might be forgetting paid Misty's little bastard children to go kick ass around Los Santos.  What they look like, on the other hand, is entirely non-canon due to being subject to player choice.  HOW the player does it is wrong - WHAT the player does is right, see?  Like, for example, it doesn't matter WHICH bikes got stolen, what does matter is that they DID get delivered to Mushroom Hank.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 07:19 PM

Because a new Story needs a new Story... and why should be Tommy Vercetti in Los Santos? He is... or was (He should be older now) the big bos of Vice City.

CJ is also to old for me to see him again (But maybe he was the drug dealer, with a new name because some cops catched him and he also changed the name like Michael)

Anyway. New Story needs NEW Characters. Or did you ever seen Main Characters returning?! I didn't saw them yet... at least in all GTA'S I played yet


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 07:41 PM

I think the universe thing is bullsh*t. You got Donaldo Love, OG Loc, Mad Dogg, and a guy from Love Fist in the HD universe. But when asked about Tommy, Claude, CJ, etc. oh, it's a different universe. Just an excuse to not rehire the voice actors because Rockstar knows they'll want huge money bags for their voice.
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Posted 03 April 2014 - 07:59 PM

 

 

It's complete bollocks. It basically just boils down to "Its all the same universe we just pick and choose who we want to bring back and not bring back."

The whole "universe" nonsense was just dreamt up in an attempt to explain why the cities look so different.

As far as I'm concerned, it's all the same universe.

The multiplayer character for Online DOES exist in the HD universe, but how he/she looks is non-canon and never revealed to allow player choice. The returning characters like Claude and Misty were only there for the novelty. They aren't becoming Claude/Misty, they just tend to be like them aesthetically. The Online portion of V is entirely non-canon, despite the Online protagonist helping Lester at some point.

 

Yeah, god forbid Rockstar trying to make some money by having Claude/Misty come in the Collectors Edition. Right? RIGHT?

 

Yeah, uh, no.  You got it HALF right.  Online IS canon.  I'd say it is canon in that Gerald, Lamar, Ron, Trevor, Lester, Simeon and Martin and whoever else I might be forgetting paid Misty's little bastard children to go kick ass around Los Santos.  What they look like, on the other hand, is entirely non-canon due to being subject to player choice.  HOW the player does it is wrong - WHAT the player does is right, see?  Like, for example, it doesn't matter WHICH bikes got stolen, what does matter is that they DID get delivered to Mushroom Hank.

 

Exactly. So the aesthetic parts of the Online Characters is non-canon, hence Rockstar being able to use Claude/Misty as characters and not f*ck up the universe continuity.





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