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Posted 01 April 2014 - 01:17 AM Edited by Zello, 01 April 2014 - 01:17 AM.

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Do we as GTA fans expect too much from our GTA games? I remember when IV came out people were like this game sucks you can't do...blah blah blah so boring the same when V came out I wanted this I wanted that its not like this or that and so on. People want everything but the kitchen sink. Ever since the III era ended I think we've been spoiled as gamers that we expect too much from our games its not a bad thing but there is only so much the folks at Rockstar can do and they can't satisfy everyone. We get overhyped over the smallest screenshot and info released about anything and go insane I mean I do that too but eventually when a game drops some people end up dissapointed. I get that Rockstar are the GODS of Video game development EVERYTHING THEY TOUCH IS GOLD WE ARE NOT WORTHY \o/ but they are human and have their limits.

So do you think we should have high expectations for Rockstar or not?


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 02:09 AM

I'm a little worried now that since V came out everyone is going to expect bigger, better, and crazier. Eventually R* won't be able to outdo themselves, IMO.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 02:32 AM

Yes. GTA: IV and V are both games that were right on the edge of what could be produced at the time. I am still constantly amazed that I've bought all these hours of gameplay and enjoyment for just £40

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 03:57 AM

Well when you play something up in the trailers, Franklin's heavy involvement in gang life, the diverse and complex nature of Michael's heists, Trevor being remotely likable, you come to expect that in the game.

When we don't get that, we at least expect a decent amount of missions... 

I wasn't a GTA fan before the release of IV, so I can't really speak for any disappointment there. But everything about GTA V and GTA O was either deliberately over-blown or misconstrued by Rockstar to make several hundred million in pre-orders.

At least I know to take GTA 6 with a pinch of salt.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 02:25 PM

No, IMO we are not expecting too much. But then we are always wishing too much. They are not the same thing though. Expecting is like demanding from R*, where as wishing is just playing with ideas.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 03:26 PM

Nope. It's R* adding useless things into the game instead of putting in things players want.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:09 PM Edited by Andreas, 03 April 2014 - 02:18 PM.

I don't think that it is possible to generally conclude whether or not GTA fans have too high expectations. If there was a larger group of people who don't like a number of things about a game, then it's without a doubt justified so long as it's constructive criticism. No videogame is perfect and not everyone will agree with the changes developers do in the next installment of their popular game series. And GTA is certainly not an exception. V, for example, is the biggest entertainment release in history, but the game does have its flaws and there are things it did right. It's just another videogame, at this point.

I agree that the expectations of the mass rised in the last years. I also think that it's not good when a game sets the bar very high - San Andreas is a prime example, in this case. GTA IV was a step forward in quite a few areas - the storyline, the gameplay, the driving- and shooting mechanics, and many more things are better than in its predecessors. But it lacks content in the view of many people and they don't like the game for that and other possible reasons, despite all the improvements over previous titles. There will always be people who love the game, people with opposing opinions and people with ridiculously and unrealistically high expectations, no matter what. It was always like that.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 10:49 PM

Long story short. We expect next gta to be better as older 1 and that always worked out. Also less 180% turns, the more changes the more people will be dissapointed. Untill gta sa you blindly knew you where playing gta, now you dont know, you just think its sand box game.


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 12:58 AM

People just have a bad case of nostalgia when it comes to older GTA games. They get used to playing one and then a new one comes out and it is a different experience and people complain because they hate change.


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 08:30 AM

People just have a bad case of nostalgia when it comes to older GTA games. They get used to playing one and then a new one comes out and it is a different experience and people complain because they hate change.

Then how did people go from III to VC to SA to IV? People don't hate change, only when it's bad.


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 09:26 AM

 

People just have a bad case of nostalgia when it comes to older GTA games. They get used to playing one and then a new one comes out and it is a different experience and people complain because they hate change.

Then how did people go from III to VC to SA to IV? People don't hate change, only when it's bad.

 

Because in the 3d era hipster elitism had not yet made it's way into gaming.


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 07:38 PM Edited by Aintgottime2bleed, 02 April 2014 - 07:40 PM.

 

 

People just have a bad case of nostalgia when it comes to older GTA games. They get used to playing one and then a new one comes out and it is a different experience and people complain because they hate change.

Then how did people go from III to VC to SA to IV? People don't hate change, only when it's bad.

 

Because in the 3d era hipster elitism had not yet made it's way into gaming.

 

Because gta 1 till sa kept improving but keep the same base, now R* tries satisfy evry1 but that aint possible. The games scored very high and alot sales so why change ?. Lets make gran turismo 7 like need for speed yeah. This sounds stupid right?, gta 4 and 5 very bad but gta4 had excuse cuz new consoles but that was pathetic shot at next gen, gta5 that aint worth the name gta ( gta4 neither but the excuse ). R* tries to much but fail at all. I really dont care about gta6 if R* keeps running this way but best for them is to stick to one formula since pleasing evryone aint possible. Also gta5 had real life cash sh*t lol, really sad. Shows how R* really is these days.


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 08:48 PM Edited by StingrayX, 02 April 2014 - 08:50 PM.

The way Rockstar markets their games makes us, the fans, expect a lot. Another contribution to overhyping ourselves is the fact that Rockstar has made exceptional, mindblowing games in the past.

Everyone thought V was going to be the ultimate GTA with almost all of the successful features from the past combined with new ideas. It wasn't exactly that to be honest. We're to blame for our disappointment, but Rockstar is too with the way they've portrayed features pre-release.
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Posted 02 April 2014 - 09:31 PM Edited by B Dawg, 02 April 2014 - 09:32 PM.

 

 

 

People just have a bad case of nostalgia when it comes to older GTA games. They get used to playing one and then a new one comes out and it is a different experience and people complain because they hate change.

Then how did people go from III to VC to SA to IV? People don't hate change, only when it's bad.

 

Because in the 3d era hipster elitism had not yet made it's way into gaming.

 

now R* tries satisfy evry1 but that aint possible.

 

R* wasn't EVEN TRYING to satisfy everyone. The people who got satisfied are all the casuals and newbies to the GTA series. It totally lost it's unique factor.

Refined IV driving mechanics? The complete opposite.

Forced shooting aiding mechanics? The f*ck?

Gang Wars? Vigilante? Where are they? Why the hell did we get Yoga? Everyone said bowling was a bad idea, why did you bring in something worse?

Ugly modern hypercars in chrome? Where are the beautiful classic sports cars? Why is the Cheetah a but ugly Enzo/Zonda mutant when it used to be a nice Testarossa.

Why is there no metal station? Why the f*ck is there a crappy modern pop station?


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 10:24 PM

 

 

 

People just have a bad case of nostalgia when it comes to older GTA games. They get used to playing one and then a new one comes out and it is a different experience and people complain because they hate change.

Then how did people go from III to VC to SA to IV? People don't hate change, only when it's bad.

 

Because in the 3d era hipster elitism had not yet made it's way into gaming.

 

Because gta 1 till sa kept improving but keep the same base, now R* tries satisfy evry1 but that aint possible. The games scored very high and alot sales so why change ?. Lets make gran turismo 7 like need for speed yeah. This sounds stupid right?, gta 4 and 5 very bad but gta4 had excuse cuz new consoles but that was pathetic shot at next gen, gta5 that aint worth the name gta ( gta4 neither but the excuse ). R* tries to much but fail at all. I really dont care about gta6 if R* keeps running this way but best for them is to stick to one formula since pleasing evryone aint possible. Also gta5 had real life cash sh*t lol, really sad. Shows how R* really is these days.

 

A GTA game is a GTA game as long as you are free to do missions whenever you want, drive around the city whenever and where ever you want, Drive as fast and reckless as you want or following the rules of the road, Kill who ever you want with any weapon you want in any way you want. As long as you have these things you have a GTA game and IV and V have them.


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 10:32 PM

At bdawg, tries satisfy evryone = try get new people, u really that ignorant. If they stayed like gta 3 vc and sa then i would liked it ( like all older fans ) but now they try get more players so they have to please them else they wont buy so R* has to change there formula a little.

 

At zello this aint the 90s, there more games with that, like saying PES is FIFA since its almost the same. 


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 11:39 PM

 

 

 

 

People just have a bad case of nostalgia when it comes to older GTA games. They get used to playing one and then a new one comes out and it is a different experience and people complain because they hate change.

Then how did people go from III to VC to SA to IV? People don't hate change, only when it's bad.

 

Because in the 3d era hipster elitism had not yet made it's way into gaming.

 

now R* tries satisfy evry1 but that aint possible.

 

R* wasn't EVEN TRYING to satisfy everyone. The people who got satisfied are all the casuals and newbies to the GTA series. It totally lost it's unique factor.

Refined IV driving mechanics? The complete opposite.

Forced shooting aiding mechanics? The f*ck?

Gang Wars? Vigilante? Where are they? Why the hell did we get Yoga? Everyone said bowling was a bad idea, why did you bring in something worse?

Ugly modern hypercars in chrome? Where are the beautiful classic sports cars? Why is the Cheetah a but ugly Enzo/Zonda mutant when it used to be a nice Testarossa.

Why is there no metal station? Why the f*ck is there a crappy modern pop station?

 

Chrome is an option in customization. I don't think most cars come like that in stock. Also there are classic sports cars. The Monroe and the Stinger come to mind. There are modern cars because the game is set in modern times. It makes sense. Too many GTA fans are people still living in the 80s and 90s.

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 01:40 PM

People just have a bad case of nostalgia when it comes to older GTA games. They get used to playing one and then a new one comes out and it is a different experience and people complain because they hate change.

Then how did people go from III to VC to SA to IV? People don't hate change, only when it's bad.
Because in the 3d era hipster elitism had not yet made it's way into gaming.
now R* tries satisfy evry1 but that aint possible.
R* wasn't EVEN TRYING to satisfy everyone. The people who got satisfied are all the casuals and newbies to the GTA series. It totally lost it's unique factor.
Refined IV driving mechanics? The complete opposite.
Forced shooting aiding mechanics? The f*ck?
Gang Wars? Vigilante? Where are they? Why the hell did we get Yoga? Everyone said bowling was a bad idea, why did you bring in something worse?
Ugly modern hypercars in chrome? Where are the beautiful classic sports cars? Why is the Cheetah a but ugly Enzo/Zonda mutant when it used to be a nice Testarossa.
Why is there no metal station? Why the f*ck is there a crappy modern pop station?
Chrome is an option in customization. I don't think most cars come like that in stock. Also there are classic sports cars. The Monroe and the Stinger come to mind. There are modern cars because the game is set in modern times. It makes sense. Too many GTA fans are people still living in the 80s and 90s.
No offense, woggleman, but this comment makes you look clueless as hell. Do you even reside in the states? Modern cars are not everywhere. You are more likely to spot an old super car as opposed to a new one unless you live in Barrington, Il or Greenwich, Ct. Los Angeles is extremely mixed when it comes to car variety.

Next time, refrain from posting if you're just going to bullsh*t.

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 05:47 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

People just have a bad case of nostalgia when it comes to older GTA games. They get used to playing one and then a new one comes out and it is a different experience and people complain because they hate change.

Then how did people go from III to VC to SA to IV? People don't hate change, only when it's bad.
Because in the 3d era hipster elitism had not yet made it's way into gaming.
now R* tries satisfy evry1 but that aint possible.
R* wasn't EVEN TRYING to satisfy everyone. The people who got satisfied are all the casuals and newbies to the GTA series. It totally lost it's unique factor.
Refined IV driving mechanics? The complete opposite.
Forced shooting aiding mechanics? The f*ck?
Gang Wars? Vigilante? Where are they? Why the hell did we get Yoga? Everyone said bowling was a bad idea, why did you bring in something worse?
Ugly modern hypercars in chrome? Where are the beautiful classic sports cars? Why is the Cheetah a but ugly Enzo/Zonda mutant when it used to be a nice Testarossa.
Why is there no metal station? Why the f*ck is there a crappy modern pop station?
Chrome is an option in customization. I don't think most cars come like that in stock. Also there are classic sports cars. The Monroe and the Stinger come to mind. There are modern cars because the game is set in modern times. It makes sense. Too many GTA fans are people still living in the 80s and 90s.
No offense, woggleman, but this comment makes you look clueless as hell. Do you even reside in the states? Modern cars are not everywhere. You are more likely to spot an old super car as opposed to a new one unless you live in Barrington, Il or Greenwich, Ct. Los Angeles is extremely mixed when it comes to car variety.

Next time, refrain from posting if you're just going to bullsh*t.

 

Like I said in another thread I live at the Jersey Shore and on a nice summer night it's like a car show by the boardwalk but when I drive away from the shore I mainly see regular modern cars and suvs on the highway. The ultra fancy super cars in the game with the exception of the Infernus are not seen on the streets. They need to be bought because when a person the kind of money you have after the Lester missions and the story you can afford stuff like that. If they are going to have exclusive cars like that they should be something fancy don't just see driving around.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 06:45 PM

You don't- what is your response on the actual point I made in that post?

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 07:35 PM Edited by B Dawg, 03 April 2014 - 07:36 PM.

tries satisfy evryone = try get new people

Newbies =/= EVERYONE, get that fact straight, and they already pleased all the new people. GTA sells no matter how it does things, because it already has everything. Most of them don't even care about the quality just because it has the quantity, as opposed to old GTA fans.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 09:15 PM Edited by NYC PATROL, 03 April 2014 - 09:15 PM.

Yes, as fans we do expect a ton of stuff. But the good in all of that is R* always pushes the envelope. They have said it themselves that when creating a game they try to bite off more than they can chew. Then they work down from that.

 

With the new consoles there is a host of new things they can add that they probably always wanted to add but couldn't because of tech limitations on 360, PS3.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 10:19 PM

 

tries satisfy evryone = try get new people

Newbies =/= EVERYONE, get that fact straight, and they already pleased all the new people. GTA sells no matter how it does things, because it already has everything. Most of them don't even care about the quality just because it has the quantity, as opposed to old GTA fans.

 

I dont get your point, i was trying to say all gta till sa were great and sold alot but R* prolly wanted more sales, how you get more sales ???. Prolly by making the game more appealing to other players ( i cal it new people thats why said try satisfy evry1 cuz old player base prolly wasnt enough for R* since they already satisfy old players only the new players are over ). How to make a game more appealing to new players ?, by making changes. Gta sells no matter what? yes and no, yes people buy no i didnt buy. It already has evrything but at same time misses alot options from gta sa ( thats 10 year old and instead of more we get less so it sure aint got evrything already ). Mostly all games these days are sold outs i just never thought R* would lower itself to that height infact they do, they even charge real cash for pixel money haha.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 10:39 PM Edited by Zodape, 03 April 2014 - 10:39 PM.

Do we expect too much? Not anymore.

 

Many people were disappointed with V (not me, I tried a lot to not overhype my ass), so I guess they will think twice before getting boners upon seeing the next picture of VI.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 10:50 PM Edited by woggleman, 03 April 2014 - 10:51 PM.

Do we expect too much? Not anymore.

 

Many people were disappointed with V (not me, I tried a lot to not overhype my ass), so I guess they will think twice before getting boners upon seeing the next picture of VI.

I doubt it. They will create an entire game in their head then get mad when R doesn't read their minds. Trying to please these people is like being in a bad marriage.

 

At the end of the day R is a business and as with any business they want to become as successful as possible so they make a game that will appeal to a large number of people. Trying to appeal to a small group of elitists has never been a successful model for anybody accept maybe small indies and R certainly isn't that.

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