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Posted 17 March 2014 - 03:04 PM

(Industry Overflowing With Kiddie Titles & Lacking Open World Crime Sims)

I'd liked to begin this discussion by mentioning my gaming admission, it's quite a frustrating one because this genre or these types are few and far between.
I only play open world 'crime' games :/
GTA, Mafia and similar titles.
Not that serious right? Wrong.

I could give you a list of incredible open world games that I love and still play, on rare occassions, but I do re-play them. I find that the new open world games that come out make the older ones look a bit dull but that's fine, I appreciate them all but enjoy the upgraded gameplay, physics and graphics of the latter titles.

What is my point?

Well, the gaming industry in general looks to be spending millions on creating games with themes of Space, Zombie, Military FPS, Linear (Resident Evil Series), RPG's (Warcraft) or mixing the genres and creating a Military Zombie Shooter and overlooking the massive demand of my beloved open world crime games. Why?
Even Simulator games are scoofed at, a game that tries to be as real to life as possible is usually questioned with: "Are you serious? They made a game about this? Why would I want to fix a car in a game when I don't want to work in real life, Oh my god!!! They made a game where you drive a bus around and give npcs their change!!!"
So a realistic game is intolerable to many gamers out there, realism is what I love as much as I love Simulators.
Does this make ME weird? Are we 'wired' differently? Have the corporations chosen to spit out title after title of fantasy hollywood games over a Realistic Simulator? Is it just easier to add lights and massive explosions than it is to create a real life open world?
Why does a cartoon puzzle game or an RGP strategy MMO board game seem more appetising?

Don't get me wrong, I loved linear games of the past, the Resident Evil Series (up until the intolerable last release) and thoroughly enjoyed a few Military FPS, but the industry just keeps building more of the same, over and over again.

It just seems so kiddie these days, so intentionally hollywood, so unbelievably nerdy all these titles regurgitated to suit the online 'kiddie' gamer or the know it all purists. Is it for massive profits? Obviously, you can't go wrong with a Space Miliatry game can you? Can't lose money, no way. No way?

I was on a website a day ago and carefully browsed through the their 3 sections, next month's releases, not so distant future releases and distant future releases.
The titles and dates went up until 2015 and guess what? Out of all over 100 titles, only 1 game was an open world crime game, it was Watch Dogs.
Is this the only GTA type game we get this year?
I'm keeping an eye out for Police Simulator 1013, but that's probably 2 years or more away.
Have I overlooked any open world GTA-like games that will be released this year? Please let me know.

The industry is overflowing with games like:
Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warefare
Basement Crawl
Dead Nation
I can add 50 games here but what's the point? The list is endless and pouring with titles that I, and many others WILL NEVER play.

There was an article recently titled: 'Why we need more gay characters in gaming'
This is on the minds of authors, not the lack of certain genres and their failiures or the constant diarrhea stream of kiddie games, it's the lack of gay characters and why the industry applauds the addition of more of them.

I'll close by saying that I love the gaming industry and the potential is there for open world crime classics, but the constant wait for them is neverending and ultimately overtaken by regurgetated, kiddie titles.
Sorry if I sound like I'm whining :/

What do you think?

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 03:14 PM

Yes.
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Posted 17 March 2014 - 03:18 PM

Yes.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 03:28 PM

The Openworld Genre of Family regardless of a Big Family Franchise like GTA and AC to new OW Franchises like SD and WD is still a young genre,actually 13 years old since GTA3 in terms of the Modern OW,but other Genres like FPS,RPGs and Fighting games are Overcrowd the market every year,no matter how like "GTA Clone" or SR went Sh*tty after the 2nd game,If GTA+SR+AC+JC+SD+WD+RD series comes together the OW Genre is Non-stoppable esp. after what GTA 5 show the world last years,it doesnt after to be a generic FPS or Moba to break an all time record $1bn in just 3 days,I understand you OP,but the Genre is still growing but damn with the period of Post-GTA3 look how many OWG franchise have been created regardless on their success.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 03:30 PM Edited by FranklinDeRoosevelt, 17 March 2014 - 03:31 PM.

I think the answer is simple. Budget. And effort. There is way too many less companies/developers willing to sacrifice a part of their life to make a large open world game and they also can't afford it. People also have too many expectations too which puts more stress on them.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 03:33 PM Edited by Blood-Is-in-Diamond, 17 March 2014 - 03:35 PM.

The Openworld Genre of Family regardless of a Big Family Franchise like GTA and AC to new OW Franchises like SD and WD is still a young genre,actually 13 years old since GTA3 in terms of the Modern OW,but other Genres like FPS,RPGs and Fighting games are Overcrowding the market every year,no matter how like "GTA Clone" or SR went Sh*tty after the 2nd game,If GTA+SR+AC+JC+SD+WD+RD series comes together the OW Genre is Non-stoppable esp. after what GTA 5 show the world last years,it doesnt after to be a generic FPS or Moba to break an all time record $1bn in just 3 days,I understand you OP,but the Genre is still growing but damn with the period of Post-GTA3 look how many OWG franchise have been created regardless of their success.SR became f*cked up after the 2nd game,but that Franchise is so successful even though not on the scale of GTA.hopefully i also want to see more GTA-type games next-gen and the OW Genre should expand.

The Openworld Genre of Family regardless of a Big Family Franchise like GTA and AC to new OW Franchises like SD and WD is still a young genre,actually 13 years old since GTA3 in terms of the Modern OW,but other Genres like FPS,RPGs and Fighting games are Overcrowd the market every year,no matter how like "GTA Clone" or SR went Sh*tty after the 2nd game,If GTA+SR+AC+JC+SD+WD+RD series comes together the OW Genre is Non-stoppable esp. after what GTA 5 show the world last years,it doesnt after to be a generic FPS or Moba to break an all time record $1bn in just 3 days,I understand you OP,but the Genre is still growing but damn with the period of Post-GTA3 look how many OWG franchise have been created regardless on their success.

oh sh*t my bad,sorry mods for double posting

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 04:41 PM

Budget, most definitely, I can understand GTA's take years to create and yes, many incredible open world series have been created in the short span of this genre. My problem is that the demand is there and the opportunity is just sitting there marinating.

With this next gen of consoles now the high hhd powerhouse that offers more room for creativity, I'd love to see the potential executed fully, and with all due respect to R*, I don't want to wait 4 years for the next instalment if other artists and programmers have just as much skill to make something more.

However, the argument of budget is understandable, what I can't understand is why would corporations spend multi-millions on immature titles?
Anybody remember 2 Days To Vegas? 8 Days? Getaway 3?

"Eight Days was not cancelled
because it was failing in production, but because
Sony is increasingly moving towards online-
supported games, and Eight Days did not fit that
overall strategy"
This basically means that they (SONY) have the money to create this game but choose not to :/

They know we're sitting here waiting for GTA 6, salivating and dreaming about it :) why not take the chance and give the millions of us an on par or improved version of GTA?

Hideo Kojimo recently commented on MGS and said: “We’ve seen a phenomenon around the world,”
Kojima said. “Young people are losing interest in
high-end games and focusing on mobile and
social titles"

This got me thinking about the youngins and the way the industry blindly and profitably caters to them.
It's frustrating the high hell out of me :)

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 04:52 PM

Budget, most definitely, I can understand GTA's take years to create and yes, many incredible open world series have been created in the short span of this genre. My problem is that the demand is there and the opportunity is just sitting there marinating.

With this next gen of consoles now the high hhd powerhouse that offers more room for creativity, I'd love to see the potential executed fully, and with all due respect to R*, I don't want to wait 4 years for the next instalment if other artists and programmers have just as much skill to make something more.

However, the argument of budget is understandable, what I can't understand is why would corporations spend multi-millions on immature titles?
Anybody remember 2 Days To Vegas? 8 Days? Getaway 3?

"Eight Days was not cancelled
because it was failing in production, but because
Sony is increasingly moving towards online-
supported games, and Eight Days did not fit that
overall strategy"
This basically means that they (SONY) have the money to create this game but choose not to :/

They know we're sitting here waiting for GTA 6, salivating and dreaming about it :) why not take the chance and give the millions of us an on par or improved version of GTA?

Hideo Kojimo recently commented on MGS and said: Weve seen a phenomenon around the world,
Kojima said. Young people are losing interest in
high-end games and focusing on mobile and
social titles"

This got me thinking about the youngins and the way the industry blindly and profitably caters to them.
It's frustrating the high hell out of me :)


Lol GTA 5 is just 6 months today and "WE are expecting GTA 6? Lol Not me or many others except for people that hate GTA 5,Lol the game sold 33ml copies and it not even on PC or next-gen yet and you want Rockstar to start making another Installment of GTA? Lol,I am sure They will be a next-gen Red Dead,maybe Bully 2 but I cant see GTA 6 but instead one and if we are lucky two Next-Gen GTA spin-offs.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 05:26 PM Edited by DarthShinobi, 17 March 2014 - 05:27 PM.

It's all about the budgets and the competition. Do devs really want to compete with a game that was able to generate $1 Billion in three days? Do they want people buying their game only to be disappointed when it isn't exactly like GTA. Watch Dogs will suffer the same ways, it'll sell alot, but everyone will say "It has this, but GTA V has that" and so on.

Look at Kojima, stated that he's "depressed" on how open GTA V is and believes MGS V won't be on that scale or whatever. It's too difficult for devs to compete.

Have you tried other open world games? Like Skyrim, or Far Cry?

I'm kind of okay with open world crime games coming out once every few years. It's makes them more special. GTA V was worth the wait, GTA IV was worth the wait, I hope Watch Dogs is worth the wait. I don't want the genre to dry out. If they come out too often they'll become like FPS games, recycled bullsh*t.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:02 PM

@ Blood-Is-in-Diamond

I'm still enjoying V, don't get me wrong, I'm just saying that the next gen consoles are here and I'm looking forward to 6, when it arrives in the next decade perhaps :)

@ DarthShinobi

Have I played Far Cry and Skyrim?
I've finished both those series, they're classics.

So what you're saying is that GTA sets the bar so incredibly high that nobody can compete without comparison and being labelled a clone? Maybe you're right man, it's sad though, I'd like more...this year at least, and I'm talking about crime simulators here not Magic, Barbarian, Army 1st person games.

Maybe soon we'll get an inflation, but that's doubtful...

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:20 PM Edited by Blood-Is-in-Diamond, 17 March 2014 - 07:26 PM.

It's all about the budgets and the competition. Do devs really want to compete with a game that was able to generate $1 Billion in three days? Do they want people buying their game only to be disappointed when it isn't exactly like GTA. Watch Dogs will suffer the same ways, it'll sell alot, but everyone will say "It has this, but GTA V has that" and so on.

Look at Kojima, stated that he's "depressed" on how open GTA V is and believes MGS V won't be on that scale or whatever. It's too difficult for devs to compete.

Have you tried other open world games? Like Skyrim, or Far Cry?

I'm kind of okay with open world crime games coming out once every few years. It's makes them more special. GTA V was worth the wait, GTA IV was worth the wait, I hope Watch Dogs is worth the wait. I don't want the genre to dry out. If they come out too often they'll become like FPS games, recycled bullsh*t.

Great Words,and yeah i was shocked when Kojima said that before the release of V,and boom V came out and Shocked the Game Industry (world) with the $1bn in 72hrs (3 days) record,and last week Kojima said (quote)"GTA help liberated Video Games and Paved the way for Openworld Games",bro the man was so Happy and Honoured when given that speech and awarding R* with the BAFTA Fellowship.once again great comment bro :)

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 03:03 PM

Anyone else agree or disagree?

This is quite a serious albeit casual topic but is this all it gets?

Doesn't anyone feel this genre needs some serious additions versus the kiddie faecal matter these industry corporate snobs make us believe is the in-thing? Where is the passion? I thought this community would back me up with some solid points :/

C'mon guys!

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 03:10 PM Edited by Fireman, 24 March 2014 - 03:45 PM.

No, I think you're not looking enough if all you did was visit one commercial site with a list of games based on how much money they pay for the slots on their site.

 

That and you narrowed it down in your head to basically only GTA (and GTA "clones").

 

Your rant is also rather inconsistent, saying that you like simulators, but then complaining about that none of them are open-world and thus you don't like them. That puzzling games are for casual kid gamers (they're really not) and that most (if not all games) are linear and for babies (oksy, that's not inconsistent, but just stupid).


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 04:43 PM Edited by Kalvin, 24 March 2014 - 04:43 PM.

Even Simulator games are scoofed at, a game that tries to be as real to life as possible is usually questioned with: "Are you serious? They made a game about this?

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Not all simulators are serious, or try to be as real to life as possible. Although the questions "Are you serious? They made a game about this?" still remain :p

Train/Flight Simulator doesn't get that much hate (as far as I know) so I don't see the problem.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 05:42 PM

No, I think you're not looking enough if all you did was visit one commercial site with a list of games based on how much money they pay for the slots on their site.
 
That and you narrowed it down in your head to basically only GTA (and GTA "clones").
 
Your rant is also rather inconsistent, saying that you like simulators, but then complaining about that none of them are open-world and thus you don't like them. That puzzling games are for casual kid gamers (they're really not) and that most (if not all games) are linear and for babies (oksy, that's not inconsistent, but just stupid).


Stupid??? Really??? Fact is, linear, puzzle, kiddie Alien Space Zombie Armageddon games are stinking up the game industry and they are below average waste of time and money. Who replays these games after they finish them? It's fast food that's all.

And where did I say I don't like simulators that are open world??? When did I say I don't like them???

My "rant" stated peoples opinions on simulators and those same people not wanting them to be realistic because in simulators usually there is repetition and real-life goals and kiddies and purist snobs don't like this...see? Get it?

Where is your proof that gamepressure.com are being paid by game makers to add a list of games coming out soon? This is standard with any website to let gamers know when games are coming out and on what date...c'mon man, get real.

Instead of agreeing and adding some substance to my topic you chose to skim through my sh*t...and drown :/

And please don't tell me every open world game is a GTA CLONE, I'll never agree with this as some of them have options in them (even from PS2 era) that GTA still doesn't have.

Try harder...

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 06:32 PM Edited by Fireman, 24 March 2014 - 06:33 PM.

We had just as many sh*tty flash games almost ten years ago (check out Newsgrounds), they're just being advertised more now (and they're actually being sold now, blame the internet). Mobile gaming also took a huge jump and a lot of games are being made for social media, which are a waste of time and money. but those aren't studios who were making proper games before, it's not like big-time studios switched to making these sh*t games, as you make it out to be. There aren't millions of dollars spend (by one studio) on a flash game for social media.

 

 

 

My "rant" stated peoples opinions on simulators and those same people not wanting them to be realistic because in simulators usually there is repetition and real-life goals and kiddies and purist snobs don't like this...see? Get it?

 

No, it states your opinion on what you think others think about simulators.

 

What I'm trying to say is, pull your head out of your ass and actually try to play some games rather than hovering over cover images from games you never heard about and then coming to the conclusion that they're sh*tty games for kids. You're complaining about there not being a GTA (or a clone) every year because you're so close-minded you can't look any further than wether or not GTA is mentioned in the review.

 

That's why I can't agree with you, because you throw every game out of the window except GTA and then complain about there not being enough games to suit your taste. I would love to play a vehicular combat game, but until last year there wasn't a release for almost three years, doesn't mean I complain about how sh*tty all other games are and that nothing decent has been released in the last three years, because it's f*cking bullsh*t.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:29 PM

Pull my head out my what? Am I arguing with a pre-teen now?

My argument is quite simple, whether it's a multi-million dollar corporate gaming studio or an indie studio, we're getting a never-ending inflation of titles catering to the 'All Ages' bracket, simply because it's an easier way to make a profit.
These games usually revolve around a brightly colored 15 year old boy character that looks like he's a man-child, probably a closet homosexual slashing at hopping skeletons to level-up. I'm an adult and this theme has never appealed to me, but that's NOT for you to say I have never played them.

I will say it again, for every 100 kiddie games, we get 1 open world crime simulator, if we're lucky.

Please don't tell me about other genres, I've played tons of games and therefore I can comment about what I dislike and the fact that the industry is deeper in the kiddie department.

I don't know you, but you sound a lot like the corporate XboxLive money grabbing shyster types trying to cash-up and get fat on childish ideas.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:33 PM Edited by Blood-Is-in-Diamond, 24 March 2014 - 08:35 PM.

OP:be careful bro,he is a Mod and he could lock the thread or Otter would if it turns into a flame war (or neverending arguement).

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:34 PM

What I think is that this thread is really stupid. If you only like 'open world crime' games (the f*ck?) then great, fantastic. Acting like every game that is not this are 'kiddie games' is to put it bluntly, dumb. Particularly mentioning Resident Evil of an example of a kiddie game is pretty ridiculous too. The majority of games are created by 30 year old men and are designed for the 15 - 30 age bracket.

 

Personally I think an overarching obsession with 'open world crime' shows more immaturity than anything else, but each to their own.


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 11:39 PM

OP:be careful bro,he is a Mod and he could lock the thread or Otter would if it turns into a flame war (or neverending arguement).


Hey Blood :)

If he's a MOD, well, I won't change my words bro, I'm just a little more passionate about the genre then him I guess :)
Sorry if I was rude but I don't call my fellow posters names like stupid, dumb - people need to grow up and have a grown-up discussion without being abusive. I've been respectful I think, well, this is the internet and I doubt hed call anyone stupid or dumb to their face in real life...like all pussy cat posters out there in internet land :) LOL!

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:) bro, how is it so weird that I like open world games, it's freedom to explore a world and do whatever you want, you're right though, I won't shove my opinions on boards no more :/
I just feel that nobody reads my original post before getting overzealous and typing an ignorant reply, especially the Resident Evil one, never said it was a kiddie game brother :/

Please lock!

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 11:46 PM

OP:Lol :) i am just saying but i like the thread and it doesnt need to be locked :) (atleast i am one of the few people that read the OT) and i understand what you mean afterall i also commented on it :)...once again nice thread bro :).

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 01:16 AM

Don't worry, I am no mod.

 

Anyway with your only argument being that there isn't a GTA released every year (which is true) I don't think there's much to discuss either way.

 

We all read the OP and it was someone whining about not having a GTA release every year (but only checking one site with limited sources) and for some reason pointing the finger to every other game ever made (with emphasis on social/casual games) and calling all those games childish and a waste of resources. You also talk about how you want something new and innovating and that everything keeps get rehashed, FOLLOWED by how you wish that every other game that came out in the next year should be an improvement or exact copy of GTA.

 

There are quite a few open-world games coming out this year, if they're not enough of a GTA-clone for you, well that's too bad, guess they've missed the money of a mature pro-gamer.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 01:37 AM

Like i said before Watchdogs is the only "GTA Clone" being release later this year and it f*cking awesome :)
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Posted 25 March 2014 - 02:20 AM

The reason we don't have that many open world crime games is because GTA is the only one that can get great reviews, other games such as Saints Row 2, Just Cause 2, Sleeping Dogs and the upcoming Watch Dogs are/will be underrated due to ignorant critics writing these games off as 'GTA Clones'. It's sad, I know, open world crime games are my favourite genre of games.

 

As for the industry overflowing with kiddlie titles, I disagree as I rarely see any in the shops (for PS3 at least), I think there is a much larger problem with story driven games which sacrifice gameplay and cash grabbers.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 04:41 AM Edited by redx165, 25 March 2014 - 04:47 AM.

The reason we don't have that many open world crime games is because GTA is the only one that can get great reviews, other games such as Saints Row 2, Just Cause 2, Sleeping Dogs and the upcoming Watch Dogs are/will be underrated due to ignorant critics writing these games off as 'GTA Clones'. It's sad, I know, open world crime games are my favourite genre of games.

 

As for the industry overflowing with kiddlie titles, I disagree as I rarely see any in the shops (for PS3 at least), I think there is a much larger problem with story driven games which sacrifice gameplay and cash grabbers.

All the kids went to Xbox 360. 

 

Anyways you got the fanboys to blame for making critics calling good games clones of games that has nothing to do with it. You got people like blood who are the reason why many people follow a company like sheep and praise it like its GOD. All they need to do is expand their gaming. 

 

"GTA MADE OPEN WORLD"

 

- No hate towards you blood but just using you as a example. Truth be told I use to be like you and believe Rockstar is the best but after a while of playing more and more games you will see that's not the case. 


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 09:37 AM

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no problem bro :) but even Kojima said it 2 weeks ago...(although I never said GTA created the Genre but it Revolution and Popularised the genre forever) that why the term "GTA Clone" was termed,i could call WD a "GTA Clone" but it not meant in a bad way...I understand the OWG along with the TPS genre more than any other Genres,But Doom Changed the FPS genre and Popularised it,same with SF and Tekken to the fighting genre and RE to the Horror Genre (but now TLoU rescued that genre).you never know maybe WD might be my 3rd loved franchise after GTA and Gears of War :).

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 10:07 AM

Please lock!

 

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