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Posted 17 March 2014 - 02:27 AM Edited by iNero, 17 March 2014 - 02:28 AM.

FULL TITLE: what Features/Elements do you want in future Open World Games? (GTA6,Mafia3,Saints Row 5, etc.)

 

 

So I played a lot of Open World Games since GTA5 has been released. Especially as GTA5 dissapointed me in many aspects. I played them a lot and they are my favorite genre since I played GTA3 at the age of 10 at my friends house.

 

What I love to do in these games, is the Stuff you can do besides the main missions.

 

Thats the thing, where V dissapointed me. It had sidemissions and so on, but compared to San Andreas or Saints Row it was pretty plain.

Especially in Saints Row you have a HUGE amount of things to do. Countless sidemissions, gang wars, features and collectables, modifications (way more than in V) and the ability to play the whole SP in coop.

 

 

So, the features that I miss in V:

 

- grab people and use them as shield ( you can even throw them in Saints Row )

- handcuff peds and put them in the trunk ( in Sleeping Dogs this was possible and in RDR it was a horseback instead of a trunk)

- rob peds ( was also in RDR )

- sidemissions (V sidemissions where boring and most of them were sports and had nothing to do with criminal activities)

- little features like rob the tresor of shops via lock picking ( like in SR1 )

- some more depth for stealing cars. ( in Mafia 2 you had to lock pick them or you could smash the window )

- enterable buildings. (everyone knows that fastfood shops and so on are not enterable in V )

- better melee system

- my car-function-wheel idea ( http://gtaforums.com...on-wheel/page-6 )

- mini-games ( i missed Poker, Pool and all that stuff. would have been awesome to play it online. they already had a script from IV and RDR though. there is even a casino in the game, but you cant do sh*t with it )

 

 

I had more and ill add them later on, when they come back to my mind.

 

Some of the mentioned features were present in RDR and previous GTA Games, thats why I have no idea why they let them out )

 

 

 

These are some of the features I want in the next Open World Games. To me its the little things, that make  the difference between a good and a geat game. 


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 04:22 AM

every game has a certain style to it. most of the things you listed are not necessary in a gta game. what you are describing is the utopic game that is the combination of every open world game. maybe some day they will make a game like that but i don't want my gta to turn saints row ish. as a gta guy gta v satisfied me 100%. only things i think its missing is things like being able to leave your car running etc. things that past gtas had but taken out this time for whatever reason.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 05:18 AM

A crime centric game has no need for crime related activities? Really?

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:19 AM

A crime centric game has no need for crime related activities? Really?

 

I hope you refer to the post above yours.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:35 AM Edited by Lazyboy., 17 March 2014 - 07:35 AM.

I wish we had an open-world game with a focus on street racing.
 
The closest we've had to that so far was the Westside Rollerz story arc in SR1. I want that x100. In-depth car customisation (no open world game has ever had decent car customisation), good driving mechanics (no open world game apart from GTA IV has ever had good driving mechanics) and a big map with some closed circuits spread around.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 08:25 AM

-Full story co-op at all times, no exceptions.

 

-Access to physics based cheats like low gravity, super punches, cars fly/drive on water, pratfall ragdoll button, peds riot, etc, for a pure sandbox experience.

 

-Pretty much any vehicle or weapon on tap at any moment.

 

-And actually decent looking characters that look good and not stupid, that also don't spout one liners every two seconds and very minimal nags and hints. Or options to turn them off.

 

-Fully Re-mappable controls would be nice as well. But that goes for almost any game.

 

-Good driving physics for fun driving, IV or Driver style driving, a lot of bounce and powersliding but with maybe a bit more variation in the grip and accelleration on certain vehicles.

 

-Proper shooting physics and animations, cover systems, realistic approaches to weapons, (not fat ugly fake guns, and the importance of semi automatic weapons being able to be fired as fast as you click the trigger like Saint's Row and unlike GTAV.) Also Including a crosshair at all times and full shooting accuracy and functionality when running/moving like the Max Payne series.

 

-A lush environment with at least somewhat realistic lives of peds going on. (Actual landing aircraft on runways and airport staff doing stuff, ped boats in the ocean, etc, like SR2 had, and SR3 didn't have.)

 

-Random events and unpredictibility. Similar to fallout style interactions, and encounters, but with peds having their own unique settings for what they will do, eventually enabling random peds to maybe attack others or be found in places you wouldnt expect, to get more of a unqiue experience than a fixed and dead world like you got from Driver: SF.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 09:07 AM

Hotels where you can skip time to next day by sleeping.

 

Car dealerships

 

Casinoes

 

Lottery, with weekly prizes!

 

Scatch lottery tickets that your character can buy from any kiosk, and then scratch to see if he won million dollars!!!


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 09:42 AM Edited by Blood-Is-in-Diamond, 17 March 2014 - 10:07 AM.

So what i understand is you are bashing GTA (GTA 5) for not having or copying those features?Damn this World is a weird place lol :O

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 10:13 AM

Hotels where you can skip time to next day by sleeping.
 
Car dealerships
GTAO has this
 
Casinoes
SA has this back in 2004
 
Lottery, with weekly prizes!
 
Scatch lottery tickets that your character can buy from any kiosk, and then scratch to see if he won million dollars!!!
Chinatown Wars had this in 2009


OP i can lists alot of things the SR franchise can learn from the HD Era games esp. V because atm that franchise got destroyed after the 2nd game.and i thought this section was for other games not GTA (GTA 5)? Lol

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 02:38 PM Edited by iNero, 17 March 2014 - 02:42 PM.

So? The Thread Title clearly says "future Open World Games"
And Im not "bashing" V. I was dissaspointed from it since the release for not having the features I wanted, not a single one.

And so far I red several posts of you and its always you going full R*-defence-force-mode...
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Posted 17 March 2014 - 03:44 PM Edited by Blood-Is-in-Diamond, 17 March 2014 - 03:53 PM.

So? The Thread Title clearly says "future Open World Games"
And Im not "bashing" V. I was dissaspointed from it since the release for not having the features I wanted, not a single one.

And so far I red several posts of you and its always you going full R*-defence-force-mode...

not R*-defence-force-mode,but a loyal customer and a loyal GTA fan esp. GTA 5,but this thread clearly is bashing GTA 5 for not being a "rip-offs" of those "GTA Clones".oh sh*t in before you or LSPD reply and start hating on me because i am a fan and start replying with "Fanboy" or "Dickriding" whatever lol idc.

Edit:I am not trying to be rude or offensive,i am just giving out my own opinions (atleast fanboys have right to speak dont they? :))

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 04:09 PM

well, many GTA "Clones" do many things better than R* does it. 

In V you have bounty hunting. Why didnt they made it like in RDR and you can put them in the trunk? Instead you the victim just gives up and walks with you.

Robbing people was possible in RDR. Should have been an obvious addition in V too. Especially sonce the game is about heists and robbing stores.

Casino: was in SA and since the game also is about making money, why no casino? stock market is actually gambling too.

Burglar: was awesome in SA. why not in V? its the same as with robbing peds..

 

 

there are many things which should have been obvious additions.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 04:14 PM

^

 

True. There are little things that would have made it better as well as bigger things too. I'm still not over the fact that the casino is not enterable, no burger shot interiors, no mall, no airport interior.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 04:16 PM

^

 

True. There are little things that would have made it better as well as bigger things too. I'm still not over the fact that the casino is not enterable, no burger shot interiors, no mall, no airport interior.

 

 

yea, a mall would have been awesome. especially when robbing the stores. thats another thing. why cant we rob the stores? I mean you can, but only via a trick as you cant take out the weapon in stores.

only likker stores.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 04:25 PM

Might as well combine GTA, Saints Row, Sleeping Dogs and Mafia, and you will have the game you wanted.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 04:55 PM

Might as well combine GTA, Saints Row, Sleeping Dogs and Mafia, and you will have the game you wanted.


Lolololol but true :)

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 09:04 AM

Open air concerts in the parks could be nice.

 

TV:s showing real news from the net

 

And for medieval games, flying carpets so that you could fly around instead of walking!

 

And if female characters are in the offering, bigger boobs! Like in saint's row games.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 12:09 PM Edited by Blood-Is-in-Diamond, 18 March 2014 - 01:08 PM.

Open air concerts in the parks could be nice.
 
TV:s showing real news from the net
 
And for medieval games, flying carpets so that you could fly around instead of walking!
 
And if female characters are in the offering, bigger boobs! Like in saint's row games.

Bigger Boobs in Saints Row games?Lol,none of them have Strip Club (Strip Club Interactivity like GTA) talk less of Hookers,Lol that one of GTA's Fundamental,I might sound a bit stupid or sexist but GTA have been doing Strippers and Hookers long before Saints Row existed,have you played GTA 5 and go to Vanilla Unicorn?

And yeah we could watch in-game news on tv (CNT) since IV,but yeah on next-gen hopefully the in-game news should be cloud-supported lol :)

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 01:09 PM

Let's not start arguements about who did what first.

 

The point is, there are many many things the last two GTA games failed to deliver, many decent features that we still want from an open world game have failed to be included, be it a GTA game or not, we want these features we have mentioned.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 01:33 PM Edited by Cosmic Gypsy, 18 March 2014 - 02:30 PM.

Pretty much the entire list in the OP describes The Warriors (the game)

 

To be honest, GTA's melee system, although a huge step up from IV, is still tragic, they should literally be ashamed, STILL can't tackle/grab people, and can't even choose weather to kick or punch anymore, not to mention many civilians literally die when you accidentally knock them over? It's impossible to have a reasonable fight on GTA. Disgraceful.

 

But yeah, robbing shops and mugging people were both on The Warriors (made by Rockstar Games), which came out way before Saints Row. Why GTA insists on focusing on things like darts, golf and tennis instead of a decent fighting system, muggings, robbing shops, drug dealing and house burglaries is beyond me. This is a crime game after all. They try and come up with some bullsh*t excuse like "these activities don't fit the characters" which is so laughable it's not even funny. If we cared about morally upright protagonists and activities that fit with their personalities we wouldn't go on killing spree's. Ever. 

 

But yeah, rant over, if i ignore how inadequate GTA is in terms of actual criminal activities to take part in, i would choose to improve the AI, people's reactions to events, etc. People on GTA V behave like total brain dead retards. You can walk too close to a pedestrian on GTA V and they'd run away as if you threatened them and start calling the police, at which point the police will turn up and if you move away from them they'd try to shoot you to death, too ridiculous. That being just 1 example off shockingly retarded AI, millions more can be listed.

 

EDIT: Actually, one of the things i'd like to improve most in GTA specifically is the totally unrealistic police response times, like i could stab someone in the middle of the desert with absolutely no witnesses, not even an animal would have witnessed it and i'd straight away get a star, and police would magically know my exact location and be there in seconds, total bullsh*t. 

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 01:41 PM

Full immersion.  No cut scenes or spoon feeding of "here's your mission".  You are the protagonist and you have to live out your life and the story line of the game.  If you are interacting with a character who is giving you hints/direction as to what your next course of action should be and you walk away from the conversation - too bad.  

 

Figure more sh*t out on your own.

 

Use some of the fancy new hardware we have around now a days to make for a more active and populated environment.  If you've ever played FO3NV on a good PC along side the 360/PS3 version it is easy to notice there is a lot more environmental sh*t going on with the PC version.  Even if it is just more litter and dust being blown around, or a sh*t ton of more stuff to pick up (and maybe put into inventory), it makes a big ass difference in the "feels like a real place" department.

 

Make any fast travel option not be so teleport like.  

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 03:15 PM

Full immersion.  No cut scenes or spoon feeding of "here's your mission".  You are the protagonist and you have to live out your life and the story line of the game.  If you are interacting with a character who is giving you hints/direction as to what your next course of action should be and you walk away from the conversation - too bad.  

 

Figure more sh*t out on your own.

 

Use some of the fancy new hardware we have around now a days to make for a more active and populated environment.  If you've ever played FO3NV on a good PC along side the 360/PS3 version it is easy to notice there is a lot more environmental sh*t going on with the PC version.  Even if it is just more litter and dust being blown around, or a sh*t ton of more stuff to pick up (and maybe put into inventory), it makes a big ass difference in the "feels like a real place" department.

 

Make any fast travel option not be so teleport like.  

ALL OF MY YES!


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 03:44 PM Edited by Blood-Is-in-Diamond, 18 March 2014 - 03:49 PM.

Pretty much the entire list in the OP describes The Warriors (the game)
 
To be honest, GTA's melee system, although a huge step up from IV, is still tragic, they should literally be ashamed, STILL can't tackle/grab people, and can't even choose weather to kick or punch anymore, not to mention many civilians literally die when you accidentally knock them over? It's impossible to have a reasonable fight on GTA. Disgraceful.
 
But yeah, robbing shops and mugging people were both on The Warriors (made by Rockstar Games), which came out way before Saints Row. Why GTA insists on focusing on things like darts, golf and tennis instead of a decent fighting system, muggings, robbing shops, drug dealing and house burglaries is beyond me. This is a crime game after all. They try and come up with some bullsh*t excuse like "these activities don't fit the characters" which is so laughable it's not even funny. If we cared about morally upright protagonists and activities that fit with their personalities we wouldn't go on killing spree's. Ever. 
 
But yeah, rant over, if i ignore how inadequate GTA is in terms of actual criminal activities to take part in, i would choose to improve the AI, people's reactions to events, etc. People on GTA V behave like total brain dead retards. You can walk too close to a pedestrian on GTA V and they'd run away as if you threatened them and start calling the police, at which point the police will turn up and if you move away from them they'd try to shoot you to death, too ridiculous. That being just 1 example off shockingly retarded AI, millions more can be listed.
 
EDIT: Actually, one of the things i'd like to improve most in GTA specifically is the totally unrealistic police response times, like i could stab someone in the middle of the desert with absolutely no witnesses, not even an animal would have witnessed it and i'd straight away get a star, and police would magically know my exact location and be there in seconds, total bullsh*t. 

This is complete b*llsh*t no-offense,according to GTA Wiki,Vice City (2002) had Robbing Shops (Liquor stores) and that was way way way before Warriors (2006) or the Saints Row Series (2006),It was re-introduced in GTA 5 and GTAO,you can go into any liquor stores and rob it.also the NPCs are all different depending on who you are playing as,and you can interact with them using the D-pad,and that feature was also there in SA (2004),even though GTA didnt do that first.IMO i think the wanted system in the HD Era games are superb even though some people say GTA 5 have "Magic Cops" Lol even Saints Row doesnt have an improved wanted system like any of the HD Era games or even Mafia 2 ;) plus that why there is realistic ways to evade cops like Pay 'n' Spray which has been in GTA since the first game (1997) with the exception of V,tbh GTA or GTA 5 doesnt do somethings better than it "Clones" or other OWGs but none of them have succeded in imitating GTA ideas or gameplay,example Saints Row-There is Strippers in the World but you cant interact (Lap Dance) you? Lol,You have a Phone but you have to pause the game? come to think of it There are TVs in the Cribs (SR2 and SR3) but you cant watch in-game shows or change channels unlike GTA ;) but yeah i agree with you and others with next-gen the Openworld Genre from GTA to Sleeping Dogs needs to up their games :)

Edit:Like i said before No-offense bro,i am to reply to your comment because i dont agree with what you said but that doesnt mean your opinion doesnt matter :)

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 04:27 PM

 

Pretty much the entire list in the OP describes The Warriors (the game)
 
To be honest, GTA's melee system, although a huge step up from IV, is still tragic, they should literally be ashamed, STILL can't tackle/grab people, and can't even choose weather to kick or punch anymore, not to mention many civilians literally die when you accidentally knock them over? It's impossible to have a reasonable fight on GTA. Disgraceful.
 
But yeah, robbing shops and mugging people were both on The Warriors (made by Rockstar Games), which came out way before Saints Row. Why GTA insists on focusing on things like darts, golf and tennis instead of a decent fighting system, muggings, robbing shops, drug dealing and house burglaries is beyond me. This is a crime game after all. They try and come up with some bullsh*t excuse like "these activities don't fit the characters" which is so laughable it's not even funny. If we cared about morally upright protagonists and activities that fit with their personalities we wouldn't go on killing spree's. Ever. 
 
But yeah, rant over, if i ignore how inadequate GTA is in terms of actual criminal activities to take part in, i would choose to improve the AI, people's reactions to events, etc. People on GTA V behave like total brain dead retards. You can walk too close to a pedestrian on GTA V and they'd run away as if you threatened them and start calling the police, at which point the police will turn up and if you move away from them they'd try to shoot you to death, too ridiculous. That being just 1 example off shockingly retarded AI, millions more can be listed.
 
EDIT: Actually, one of the things i'd like to improve most in GTA specifically is the totally unrealistic police response times, like i could stab someone in the middle of the desert with absolutely no witnesses, not even an animal would have witnessed it and i'd straight away get a star, and police would magically know my exact location and be there in seconds, total bullsh*t. 

This is complete b*llsh*t no-offense,according to GTA Wiki,Vice City (2002) had Robbing Shops (Liquor stores) and that was way way way before Warriors (2006) or the Saints Row Series (2006),It was re-introduced in GTA 5 and GTAO,you can go into any liquor stores and rob it.also the NPCs are all different depending on who you are playing as,and you can interact with them using the D-pad,and that feature was also there in SA (2004),even though GTA didnt do that first.IMO i think the wanted system in the HD Era games are superb even though some people say GTA 5 have "Magic Cops" Lol even Saints Row doesnt have an improved wanted system like any of the HD Era games or even Mafia 2 ;) plus that why there is realistic ways to evade cops like Pay 'n' Spray which has been in GTA since the first game (1997) with the exception of V,tbh GTA or GTA 5 doesnt do somethings better than it "Clones" or other OWGs but none of them have succeded in imitating GTA ideas or gameplay,example Saints Row-There is Strippers in the World but you cant interact (Lap Dance) you? Lol,You have a Phone but you have to pause the game? come to think of it There are TVs in the Cribs (SR2 and SR3) but you cant watch in-game shows or change channels unlike GTA ;) but yeah i agree with you and others with next-gen the Openworld Genre from GTA to Sleeping Dogs needs to up their games :)

Edit:Like i said before No-offense bro,i am to reply to your comment because i dont agree with what you said but that doesnt mean your opinion doesnt matter :)

 

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 04:44 PM

Well, might as well. This is what I want in GTA 6 (or VI, whatever):

 

1 - Better difficulty

2 - Stick to one character

3 - Better gunplay (seriously, just implement the gunplay mechanics from Max Payne 3, I mean all of it, except shoot-dodge)

4 - Use next-gen hardware to it's limits (not only talking about graphics)

 

This is what I want in Mafia 3:

 

1 - Some side-missions, and free-roam

2 - Mission variety

3 - Explain,

Spoiler

 

This is what me wants in Saints Row 5:

 

1 - Keep the over-the-top approach, but no f*cking superpowers and aliens, please. That went way over the limit, and this is Saints Row we're talking about.

2 - Keep the Co-op

3 - More stupid sh*t

4 - More missions (seriously, the story was way too short)

 

This is I want in Arkham Knight (counts, right?)

 

1 - A good story, I'm kind of paranoid Paul Dini isn't working on it anymore

2 - Some variation in fights. I know that we've been informed by Rocksteady that you can use the enviroment to your advantage, but I hope they will have a huge variety of animations

3 - Leave Joker alone. Seriously, they have been relying on him too much now. He's a really good villain, but

Spoiler
, so leave it that way.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 04:45 PM Edited by Blood-Is-in-Diamond, 18 March 2014 - 06:05 PM.

@Cosmic Gypsy

So was i replying to you?pls answer

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 06:23 PM

Well, might as well. This is what I want in GTA 6 (or VI, whatever):

 

1 - Better difficulty

2 - Stick to one character

3 - Better gunplay (seriously, just implement the gunplay mechanics from Max Payne 3, I mean all of it, except shoot-dodge)

4 - Use next-gen hardware to it's limits (not only talking about graphics)

 

This is what I want in Mafia 3:

 

1 - Some side-missions, and free-roam

2 - Mission variety

3 - Explain,

Spoiler

 

This is what me wants in Saints Row 5:

 

1 - Keep the over-the-top approach, but no f*cking superpowers and aliens, please. That went way over the limit, and this is Saints Row we're talking about.

2 - Keep the Co-op

3 - More stupid sh*t

4 - More missions (seriously, the story was way too short)

 

This is I want in Arkham Knight (counts, right?)

 

1 - A good story, I'm kind of paranoid Paul Dini isn't working on it anymore

2 - Some variation in fights. I know that we've been informed by Rocksteady that you can use the enviroment to your advantage, but I hope they will have a huge variety of animations

3 - Leave Joker alone. Seriously, they have been relying on him too much now. He's a really good villain, but

Spoiler
, so leave it that way.

GTA V uses MP3's gun mechanics, except it's actually more fluid. Anything else would ruin that aspect of GTA.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 07:01 PM

It does, but not all of them. The cover system is more fluid, but if we get 100% into it, believe me, MP3's gun mechanics are a lot better.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 07:08 PM

MP3 mechanics are better. 

Especially with pistols. In MP3 you have to pull the trigger after every shot. In GTA you just have to hold the shoot trigger, which is BS imo.

I also like the MP3 animations more. They look more realistic. Especially cause there is an ADS animation when you pull the aiming trigger. In GTA5 the camera just zooms over the shoulder.

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 07:25 PM

I agree with the trigger, because it's not challenging by raping the R2 button to shoot. It doesn't make sense that you can shoot so many rounds while holding R2, it's better to press the R2 every time as it's also fun and realistic. Other than that, rolling needs to be involved and that is about it IMO.





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