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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:05 AM

After the tragic death of a police officer (that happens to be someone I know from a chairty motorcycle ride I do) was killed be a wrong way driver who is 83 years old do you think older drivers should be required to take a annual driving test? Do you think an 83 year old is too old to convict what are your thoughts?

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:06 AM

I think anyone who drives should have an annual driving test. Teenagers and adults these days are bad.. especially with texting while driving and not to mention the countless number of women I see putting on make-up while driving. Makes me want to pit maneuver each one I see and watch them go down the median in about 40-50 flips then their fuel tank catch fire.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:08 AM

Here in Brazil we have a 90yr old sir who rides a suzuki gsx1300r

He's always wearing a Brown leather jacket with some 40s shoes.

Very famous among motorcycle clubs here.

But yeah there should be special tests for older drivers/bikers.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:45 AM

For everyone 60+, there should be annual driving tests. I can't tell you how many times my grandfather almost killed us driving on a completely straight stretch of road.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:30 AM

For everyone 60+, there should be annual driving tests. I can't tell you how many times my grandfather almost killed us driving on a completely straight stretch of road.

This. Also include all women drivers, teenagers, and rednecks with those lifted trucks.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:31 AM

 

For everyone 60+, there should be annual driving tests. I can't tell you how many times my grandfather almost killed us driving on a completely straight stretch of road.

This. Also include all women drivers, teenagers, and rednecks with those lifted trucks.

 

I'm not that bad at driving, even my dad said that I drive better than my mom 


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:34 AM

 

 

For everyone 60+, there should be annual driving tests. I can't tell you how many times my grandfather almost killed us driving on a completely straight stretch of road.

This. Also include all women drivers, teenagers, and rednecks with those lifted trucks.

 

I'm not that bad at driving, even my dad said that I drive better than my mom 

 

I'm a teenager too. I think I'm a pretty good driver as well but I still stand by my point.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:51 AM

70+ plus, check every month.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:52 AM

I think anyone who drives should have an annual driving test. Teenagers and adults these days are bad.. especially with texting while driving and not to mention the countless number of women I see putting on make-up while driving. Makes me want to pit maneuver each one I see and watch them go down the median in about 40-50 flips then their fuel tank catch fire.

 

Well if they ever do introduce Annual tests im f*cked, I hardly ever eve ntouch the wheel with both hands at the same time now :/

 

anyway for the OP's question, itsn ot about Too old, its mroe about the person, someone can be 80 and healthy, where as some peopel seem to look like cripples that can barly walk at 50, personally I plan to die before 40 so Eaither way I wont encounter any of these problems. Tho I do think there should be some simple rules, Mabye like.. Reaction tests, and simple stuff like, if you cant look left and right quickly, to check there is no otehr veichles comming on an intersection then.. you shouldent be aloud to drive.. .Wich would be seen as harsh and get tons of complaitns for takign away the freedom of old people.. etc.. cant win eaitehr way.

 

Also I knew an old man lived near me, was.. 80-something, crashed repeatidly. couldent really walk, dident have enough strenth to pull the hood catch, those are the kinda people I feel are not safe in a car.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:22 AM

My grandfather is 90 and my mother and her siblings have foolishly allowed him to keep the keys. He once had a fender bender in the parking lot of a grocery store with a pregnant woman. We also found out that he was driving out on the icy roads the other day.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 04:30 AM

I think everyone should have an annual drivers test when they come to renew their license. It's not just old people either. It's teens., young adults alike! I've been cut off on the road so many times , people who don't ever use their damn blinkers when changing lanes. f*ckers SPEED UP when im trying to merge into the freeway and won't let me in! I'm like "who have this jackass a license?! Did you learn to drive in drivers ed or special ed??". Yeah everyone needs to be tested annually. And a real test too, not this "ok sir park in this parking space, good here's your license!" Bullcrap. (Yes Georgia's test was like that when I got mine)

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 04:46 AM

I think everyone should have an annual drivers test when they come to renew their license. It's not just old people either. It's teens., young adults alike! I've been cut off on the road so many times , people who don't ever use their damn blinkers when changing lanes. f*ckers SPEED UP when im trying to merge into the freeway and won't let me in! I'm like "who have this jackass a license?! Did you learn to drive in drivers ed or special ed??". Yeah everyone needs to be tested annually. And a real test too, not this "ok sir park in this parking space, good here's your license!" Bullcrap. (Yes Georgia's test was like that when I got mine)


When I got my MC license it was a parking lot test, here in Colorado it's a renewal every 5 years with an eye test unless you renew online. It's BS

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 04:49 AM

I think there should be an age where people have to take annual drivers tests.

70 years and up.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 04:51 AM Edited by Panz, 04 February 2014 - 05:17 AM.

There should be re-testing for everyone every few years. It's easy to forget some of the rules of the road, and some of our brains start to go a little bit earlier than others'. I like what Lil Ski proposed. Testing at each driver's license renewal sounds fair enough. I mean, you're gonna be stuck at the DMV for five hours, anyway, so why not do it?

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 05:28 AM

there's no such thing as "too old."

 

as long as someone is still lucid and aware and alert, they're fit to drive.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:27 AM Edited by Crazyeighties, 04 February 2014 - 06:28 AM.

there's no such thing as "too old."
 
as long as someone is still lucid and aware and alert, they're fit to drive.

Good point my grandfather drove a city bus from his late 40s to the age of 87 he probably drove half of the city if Denver's population on a bus over his career he still drives at 91 he's better at driving then most people I know.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:33 AM

there's no such thing as "too old."

 

as long as someone is still lucid and aware and alert, they're fit to drive.

 

The problem is that many are not. Not just elderly people, granted, but they do represent a large proportion of it.

The issue is as much about declining eyesight, the refusal to give up the freedom and mobility of driving even whilst under medical instruction, and a failure to adapt driving styles to the conditions of modern roads. It's not a question about age, per se, it just happens that many of the people who drive dangerously on the roads are older.

 

Personally, I think anyone (regardless of age) who:

 

1) Drives at less than half of the speed limit on an uncongested NSL main road

2) drives the wrong way down a main road for more than 10 meters

3) Causes an accident because of poor awareness

 

Should automatically lose their license and have to resit it.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 09:01 AM

I guess 65+ is "too old". But if they wanted to drive, they should have a driving test once every year or two. If they had been diagnosed with a memory illness (dementia or such), they should have an exam (where you answer which thing is correct (e.g. A) You can run over a human B) You can run over everything C) You can't run over anyone). I don't know what the driving test has in your American places. In here there is an actual driving test plus this multiple choice test).

 

Either way, if they had a memory illness, they should have the multiple choice test once every month (or so?). If they had a severe one, they would not be permitted to drive at any circumstances. If it was a mild one (like forgetting where the keys are sometimes), then they could be allowed to drive if they did the choice test.

 

tl;dr - 65+ year old people should do an actual driving test every once in a while - if you had a memory illness, you should do a multiple choice test every month (or so?) regardless of age.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:03 AM

My grandfather is in his late 80s, but he just recently gave up driving because of persistent knee problems. He was actually an excellent driver even at his age. He now lives in a retirement village where there are shuttles taking the residents wherever they want to go.

I say let the old folks continue to drive as long as all their senses still function like they should, and as long as they remember how driving actually works, to stop when they are supposed to stop, or slow down when they are supposed to slow down instead of accelerating, drive at a decent, acceptable speed on the highway or any other road for that matter, slow down when there's a speed bump (something my grandmother rarely did, which is why she stopped driving more than 10 years ago, thank god), etc. Those factors are not just associated with the elderly though.

Streetracers, drunk drivers, women putting makeup on while driving, drivers reading the newspaper, texting or doing anything else other than focusing on the road, people constantly driving at excessive speeds, unroadworthy vehicles (lot of those in my country), etc, are just as dangerous and even more so than a lot of elderly drivers, and should all lose their licenses imo. Basically anyone, regardless of age, who are endangering the lives of other road users for whatever foolish reason.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:16 AM

The problem is that many are not. Not just elderly people, granted, but they do represent a large proportion of it.

The issue is as much about declining eyesight, the refusal to give up the freedom and mobility of driving even whilst under medical instruction, and a failure to adapt driving styles to the conditions of modern roads. It's not a question about age, per se, it just happens that many of the people who drive dangerously on the roads are older.

my only point is that there's no such thing as an arbitrary number.

you're not "too old" to drive any more than you're "too young" to drive... or too tall, or too skinny, or too fat.

 

the only thing that matters is whether or not you understand the rules of the road and can physically control the vehicle.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:34 AM

There's no arbitrary number, not, but there is a clear segment of the population that presents an elevated risk. You can't make policy or law on a case-by-case basis unfortunately so imaginary arbitrary boundaries are all we have. Case in point- drink driving laws. The actual effect of the arbitrary alcohol limit varies dramatically from person to person but because there's no effective way of legislating on a circumstantial basis we have arbitrary limits.

It's a fair question whether a policy that dictates all people above a certain age should be reassessed in terms of competence could be argued to discriminate against those who pose no risk, but if there's a significant statistical basis for such a policy I see no harm in it.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:46 AM

Re-testing would be the last thing a citizen above the age of 65 or older needs. Brain deterioration disease called dementia has been described several times in relation to this issue. So, a test is must.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:42 AM

It would seem that the only real way to limit collisions by the Aged, Teenies, et cetera would be to end the use of 'privately owned' vehicles. Create a real Mass Transit system.

 

Here in the fifties, we had buses running every 15 minutes. Now, it seems like every hour or two.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:55 AM

I think anyone who drives should have an annual driving test. Teenagers and adults these days are bad.. especially with texting while driving and not to mention the countless number of women I see putting on make-up while driving. Makes me want to pit maneuver each one I see and watch them go down the median in about 40-50 flips then their fuel tank catch fire.

I think annual driving tests may be a bit much. A workable system could be that for drivers between 17-45 every 5 years they should take a half-day refresher course with test at the end. 45-70 the same thing every 3 years and then from 70 plus I think it should be annual.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:28 PM

 

I think anyone who drives should have an annual driving test. Teenagers and adults these days are bad.. especially with texting while driving and not to mention the countless number of women I see putting on make-up while driving. Makes me want to pit maneuver each one I see and watch them go down the median in about 40-50 flips then their fuel tank catch fire.

I think annual driving tests may be a bit much. A workable system could be that for drivers between 17-45 every 5 years they should take a half-day refresher course with test at the end. 45-70 the same thing every 3 years and then from 70 plus I think it should be annual.

 

 

I have to somewhat agree with this. If it was annual no doubt that the British goverment would put the prices even higher than they already are. I would change it slightly and say 17 - 50 year olds every 10 years, 51 - 65 every 3 years, 65+ every year.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:32 PM

If you factor in inflation, the costs for provisional licences, theory and practical tests have decreased in real terms in the 10 years since I took mine. Just sayin'.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:07 PM

Well, rather than force people to pay directly for regular mandatory testing the costs could be covered by a slight increase in Road Tax. From a UK standpoint, the vast increased demand for licensed testers/testing centres would lead to a proliferation of instructors and facilities, which in turn should lead to a reduction in costs. Barring initial driving lessons/tests and court-ordered re-tests the costs of mandatory re-testing should be covered by the government. If a driving test in the UK currently costs ~£60 this could be halved to ~£30 (For example) and tacked onto the annual Road Tax so motorists are not forced to pay directly, which would certainly piss me off.

 

In the UK there is already no correlation between the revenue generated by Road Tax and government spending on public roads so God knows where the money is going, but this system should wind up eventually covering the costs of mandatory retesting, plus admin/staff etc.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:11 PM Edited by Danz., 04 February 2014 - 03:12 PM.

Just ask lil weasel about his driving skills.

 

Slowly the elderly go.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 04:01 PM

In the UK there is already no correlation between the revenue generated by Road Tax and government spending on public roads so God knows where the money is going, but this system should wind up eventually covering the costs of mandatory retesting, plus admin/staff etc.


In fact they use a fairly large proportion of tax revenue supplied by motorists to fund vanity projects, public transport and in some cases local government wastage. One of my pet peeves is the fact my RFL largely isn't used to fund the upkeep of the incredibly poor local and national road network but to prop up other ailing central government projects. But I digress.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:00 PM

For everyone 60+, there should be annual driving tests. I can't tell you how many times my grandfather almost killed us driving on a completely straight stretch of road.


Meh 70 is more like it. That is typically when I start to notice bad elderly drivers.




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