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Posted 04 February 2014 - 12:58 PM

Then don't speak, enough. Can't imagine new localizations from Dageron, lol.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 12:59 PM

[4.02.2014 15:43:24] Andrey Dageron: Just send this to the thread: http://dageron.com/w...ine_dageron.jpg
[4.02.2014 15:43:58] Andrey Dageron: I think that this screen will be interesting to tehSpitefulPotato.
[4.02.2014 15:45:35] Rapla Tt: What are the titles? Again some social advetisement and censorship?
[4.02.2014 15:48:11] Andrey Dageron: Nope. Let him translate himself. And that will be.

vcs_ukraine_dageron.jpg

Seriously tired of this. Can't understand anything, can only see black-yellow-white flag again.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:21 PM Edited by WildBrick142, 04 February 2014 - 01:27 PM.

^ The part of the black-yellow-white flag says: Ukraine - part of a Russian imperium

 

E: Google Translate fails again - does this sh*t even work?


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:25 PM Edited by tehSpitefulPotato, 04 February 2014 - 01:26 PM.

"Ukraine is part of Russian Empire". I don't understand what did he want to tell by this, but one thing is obvious - he has some really weird and radical politic views, and I certainly don't want to share them.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:35 PM

Question to you. Who Yanukovich, Bandera and Maidan exactly are, are they some of the Ukraine politicans?


Bandera was a leader (either that, or a very high-ranked person?) in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army during WWII. I'm not going to dive into it any more as Polish and Ukrainian thinking about this person are completely different and I have way too small knowledge of history to judge. Let's call him controversial then.

And Maidan is a place, check the recent TV reports :p


He says that wants to make Ukrainian, Serbian and Polish versions of LCS and VCS. Asks if someone are interested in if there would be no censorship.


There is a Polish VCS for PSP already, I'm sure. No censorship.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 04:09 PM

 

He says that wants to make Ukrainian, Serbian and Polish versions of LCS and VCS. Asks if someone are interested in if there would be no censorship.


There is a Polish VCS for PSP already, I'm sure. No censorship.

 

 

Yes there are numerous  Polish translation for nearly all of R*'s games, all without any kind of censorship.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 05:12 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 04 February 2014 - 05:22 PM.

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Sorry for huge text, but Dageron insisted that I should send this to you

[4.02.2014 18:12:26] Andrey Dageron: Especially for lol232. You are Serb, and your position was absolutely unexpected for me... But, hope, only now.

[4.02.2014 18:20:21] Andrey Dageron: I do not know how old you are, but I assume that you are rather young... And do not remember, or just you was not born yet, when in 1999 on Serbia flew American bombs, blew up Belgrade, Serb houses, cities and villages. NATO's war against Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) definitely shown what western liberal-democratic world is. If you do not know what it was, then your parents, relatives, friends, should know, they should remember. Ask them, you will get an answer.

[4.02.2014 18:24:51] Andrey Dageron: And we, Russians, felt like Americans kill our brothers, we could not help you, because our drunken Yeltsin's government was the occupation one and ruled by CIA. But there were a lot of Russian volunteers (mainly nationalist), who fought in the Serbian army against America. Small Serbian army held months against all huge NATO power through own courage only and some old Russian equipment.

[4.02.2014 18:32:12] Andrey Dageron: Serbia ALWAYS was our brotherstate, during all time. In the XIXth century Russian tsar Alexander I helped Serbs get rid of the Turkish rule, in XXth century st.Nicholas II entered the First World War only to save Serbia and Balkan Slavic nations, Serb salvation led to the creation of Yugoslavia. And next, Russian emigrants helped to develop monarchist Yugoslavia, even the Soviet Union helped to develop already socialist Yugoslavia, so it was the richest country in Western Block (your socialism has a lot of elements of capitalism, for example, it assumes the market economics and the right to private property). During all time we were brothers.

[4.02.2014 18:40:16] Andrey Dageron: And... In 1990-1999 we could not help you. You should know that the USA government, EU and NATO are bandits, and the liberals are always traitors! It's their nature. They are ready to support the Albanian Muslim terrorists in order to make the Serbian nation weaker - just because Serbs are Russian brothers, Serbs are the Orthodox Slavs. Influenced by progressive idiots (sorry, by EU democrates sure) Serbian authorities have been forced to abandon Kosovo. But you know (sure you should know!) what happened to the Kosovo Serbs surrounded by Muslims.

[4.02.2014 18:53:43] Andrey Dageron: It is necessary to understand all links of the chain. American politicians and millionaires, European perverts, masons, liberals (call them what you like - well known who they are) have one target - to destroy us, the Slavs: Russian, Serbs, Belarusians. Steal our natural wealth (wood, oil, gas, minerals, energy, water), our businesses, our resources, to make us sick, stupid and corrupted slaves. Next they will continue with Ukrainians, Poles, Czechs ... They could not destroy us in wars and revolutions. So they began destroying us inside - imposing alcoholism (find out who sells alcohol in Serbia? European corporations), drug addiction (whence comes the dope? from Afghanistan which is controlled by America, and of course from Albania, an EU frind). Videogames and movies (adventure, horror, depravity) brings immorality, wickedness, they teach not to feel indifference of good and evil. Remember the speech of Slobodan Milosevic, who died in the Hague liar court. Remember what Serb politican and nationalist Vojislav Seselj said! He demanded execution for himself just to make his ideology immortal.

[4.02.2014 18:58:32] Andrey Dageron: You're a Serb, you're part of the great Serbian nation. Do not let anyone control you! Make your life better and life of your nation, start with yourself! Say NO to the European Union and liberalism. If you do not understand, then you will understand late. You're a Serb, and I respect you even when you hate me, blame and do not agree. Brother can not be always right, but he is always a brother.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:01 PM

Man, you could send him a PM :sarcasm:


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:07 PM

Hot damn, thats a lot of text. If he wants to get those points across, why is he simply retexturing the little things and whatnot? Id play a total conversion mod centered around anti-video games and remaking the Russian empire just for the hell of it.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:31 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 04 February 2014 - 07:43 PM.

SilenPL
ENOUGH. This is the last text I copy here

[4.02.2014 20:15:52] Andrey Dageron: SilentPL, I saw you progress with GTA VCS PC Edition. I know that you are from Poland and that you are a talanted programmer, wanted to talk with you a lot. It is a pity that our acquaintance has passed this way... Maybe you have a feeling that I am some kind of unfriendly and rough person, fanatic, but hope (for sure), I am not.

[4.02.2014 20:28:12] Andrey Dageron: For me Poland always was a country of a special interest. I know that you have built in 1920-1939 your own state, civilized country. And it is good that Western Ukraine (Galicia) was a part of Poland. Western Ukrainians is an anomalous nation (Austria-Hungary-Poland), while normal Ukrainians are Malorosy (also Russians). Perhaps they could be a part of Polish civilization, which I really respect. The only thing is a pity that Pilsudski did not support Denikin and Wrangel in the Russian Civil War. With the support of Poles (and Balts, Finns), we could defeat the communist plague in 1917-1920.

[4.02.2014 20:34:35] Andrey Dageron: But... In 1939 Poland was barbaric divided between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany (in 1939-1941 Stalin and Hitler were friends). I do not know, whose regime was even worse. But I am very sorry that Red Army soldiers (Russian men enslaved by communists...) fired at the Poles, even not soldiers, but ordinary people. The Germans have not followed a policy of Poles expulsion and property expropriation, but Soviets followed. Perhaps this is the worst thing, when people lost everything they had and went to the Soviet Union to prison (just because they were Poles, civilized people, businessmen, propery owners, police officers, soliders, industrialists). Katyn fact better to be remained silent. After 1941 there were a lot of Poland armies - pro-Soviet one and "old", emigrants one (and a lot of rebels).

[4.02.2014 20:49:48] Andrey Dageron: One of my favorite movies are Polish ones: Va-Bank and Va-Bank 2. According to the plot it is mid-1930s. Adventurers, bank robbers - so let it be... But imperceptibly is shows what was the country before the Second World War. Civilized. People drove cars, worked, had houses and villas, there were banks, businesses and shops. Nothing from this we had in the Soviet Union. All this was destroyed by the German Nazis and the communists. Another favourite Polish movie is not movie exactly, but series - "The Four Tank Crew and the dog" (don't know if translated title to English well), about pro-Soviet Polish army in the Second World War. Very good story about brave and funny soldiers and their friends (including dog Sharik), but... This is a contrast this with the Va-Bank. Poland shown in Va-Bank is ~ 1935, it is bright and civilized, but "The Four Tank Crew" Poland ~ 1945 is dark and destroyed (fact that this film is black-and-white only adds much to the feeling). It frightens me every time when I watch these movies. Russians are also responsible for the fact that Poland was destroyed. Even when I watch Va Bank 2 at the end I feel that Quinto and Datchanin will save themselves in Switzerland, and in Poland 2 years late will be a war (and what will happend to Kramer? sometimes prisoners were shot, sometimes - declined to cooperate with the occupants, Reds or Nazis).

[4.02.2014 20:51:35] Andrey Dageron: So, I respect Polish nation a lot. Hope that someday Poland would leave the EU and take the road of national Pole identity (and then you may get Ukrainian Galicia back, ha-ha). Main of our historical differences was that we, Russian, are Orthodox Christians, and you, Poles, are Catholic Christians.

[4.02.2014 20:58:31] Andrey Dageron: But I moved away from the topic. I would like to discuss with you some of the things in programming, apparently you really learned a lot about GTA Stories (PSP/PS2 structures), you're a talented programmer). Maybe I could learn something from you, and you find something useful. If you want, just contact me on Skype (MrDageron) or ICQ (713790). Discussion of the history would be also interested, I'm a fan of historical science (btw, hope for your answer about Polish history here, let this thread be full of flood, everything is interesting anyway).

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:48 PM

Well now this is just getting rather crazy. I still respect Dageron as a coder, some of the tools he's managed to do and how fast he's done them have been really impressive, but his views, methods, etc, away from that, he seems a little unhinged and very strong in his views.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:51 PM

SilenPL
ENOUGH. This is the last text I copy here

[4.02.2014 20:15:52] Andrey Dageron: SilentPL, I saw you progress with GTA VCS PC Edition. I know that you are from Poland and that you are a talanted programmer, wanted to talk with you a lot. It is a pity that our acquaintance has passed this way... Maybe you have a feeling that I am some kind of unfriendly and rough person, fanatic, but hope (for sure), I am not.

[4.02.2014 20:28:12] Andrey Dageron: For me Poland always was a country of a special interest. I know that you have built in 1920-1939 your own state, civilized country. And it is good that Western Ukraine (Galicia) was a part of Poland. Western Ukrainians is an anomalous nation (Austria-Hungary-Poland), while normal Ukrainians are Malorosy (also Russians). Perhaps they could be a part of Polish civilization, which I really respect. The only thing is a pity that Pilsudski did not support Denikin and Wrangel in the Russian Civil War. With the support of Poles (and Balts, Finns), we could defeat the communist plague in 1917-1920.

[4.02.2014 20:34:35] Andrey Dageron: But... In 1939 Poland was barbaric divided between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany (in 1939-1941 Stalin and Hitler were friends). I do not know, whose regime was even worse. But I am very sorry that Red Army soldiers (Russian men enslaved by communists...) fired at the Poles, even not soldiers, but ordinary people. The Germans have not followed a policy of Poles expulsion and property expropriation, but Soviets followed. Perhaps this is the worst thing, when people lost everything they had and went to the Soviet Union to prison (just because they were Poles, civilized people, businessmen, propery owners, police officers, soliders, industrialists). Katyn fact better to be remained silent. After 1941 there were a lot of Poland armies - pro-Soviet one and "old", emigrants one (and a lot of rebels).

[4.02.2014 20:49:48] Andrey Dageron: One of my favorite movies are Polish ones: Va-Bank and Va-Bank 2. According to the plot it is mid-1930s. Adventurers, bank robbers - so let it be... But imperceptibly is shows what was the country before the Second World War. Civilized. People drove cars, worked, had houses and villas, there were banks, businesses and shops. All this was destroyed by the German Nazis and the communists. Another favourite Polish movie is not movie exactly, but series - "The Four Tank Crew and the dog" (don't know if translated title to English well), about pro-Soviet Polish army in the Second World War. Very good story about brave and funny soldiers and their friends (including dog Sharik), but... This is a contrast this with the Va-Bank. Poland shown in Va-Bank is ~ 1935, it is bright and civilized, but "The Four Tank Crew" Poland ~ 1945 is dark and destroyed (fact that this film is black-and-white only adds much to the feeling). It frightens me every time when I watch these movies. Russians are also responsible for the fact that Poland was destroyed. Even when I watch Va Bank 2 at the end I feel that Quinto and Datchanin will save themselves in Switzerland, and in Poland 2 years late will be a war (and what will happend to Kramer? sometimes prisoners were shot, sometimes - declined to cooperate with the occupants, Reds or Nazis).

[4.02.2014 20:51:35] Andrey Dageron: So, I respect Polish nation a lot. Hope that someday Poland would leave the EU and take the road of national Pole identity (and then you may get Ukrainian Galicia back, ha-ha). Main of our historical differences was that we, Russian, are Orthodox Christians, and you, Poles, are Catholic Christians.

[4.02.2014 20:58:31] Andrey Dageron: But I moved away from the topic. I would like to discuss with you some of the things in programming, apparently you really learned a lot about GTA Stories (PSP/PS2 structures), you're a talented programmer). Maybe I could learn something from you, and you find something useful. If you want, just contact me on Skype (MrDageron) or ICQ (713790). Discussion of the history would be also interested, I'm a fan of historical science (btw, hope for your answer about Polish history here, let this thread be full of flood, everything is interesting anyway).

As a Pole I can say that there are many people who remember and aren't happy about what happened to Poles after USSR took Germans place in Poland. Great Polish soldiers being sent to Siberia, mass murder of Poles in Katyń (ros. Катынь), martial law (Did I missed anything else).


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:10 PM Edited by WildBrick142, 04 February 2014 - 08:12 PM.

So, is Dageron trying to mod GTA with wierd stuff about video games being bad and all and censor everything or give us a history lesson?


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 09:28 PM Edited by lol232, 07 February 2014 - 10:52 PM.

Okay, I'll just answer him here, then:
Although I respect Russians and view them as brothers (along with other Slavs), and don't really want Serbia to join the EU, that doesn't necessarily mean I hate Americans and other Europeans, I don't generalize people unlike he does, I hate a lot of gouverments, but if anything, gouverments are the one who are trying to shut down the games and everything, I don't see a point with censoring the game because you're most likely either supporting those annoying gouverments or something like that.

I too dislike NATO but that has absolutely nothing to do with video gaming, if anything, the video-game companies mock many high ranking govt. people, they're pretty much pissing them off.
Although I dislike some scenes such as "No Russian" in MW2, in the end of the day all you're really doing is killing pixels that doesn't really impact anything in real life. In video games, unless you're a sick person, you do things you'll never do in real life. I'd never kill a person but that doesn't mean I wouldn't play video games.

If I offended you, I'd like to apologise.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:47 PM

In every society there's at least one weirdo, who does everything differently no matter what.

We won't forget what you did to us....not that long time ago.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:46 AM

It is not fun already. Since such weird political and history conversations are published, this thread seems to be flood. If you want, you may discuss everything via PM, Skype, etc.

 

If someone interested in, I may post some other funny things Dageron done in his localizations (recently found). If not, maybe this thread should be closed. Eveyone understood that this man is rather strange and his localizations (or his team) are unplayable.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 11:32 PM

 

I don't think this is legit. Last time I checked, Rockstar doesn't change in-game billboards when they sell GTA games in different countries. Most they change to my knowledge would be subtitles and the like. But then again...

 

 

But then again, Russia/former USSR's known for this kind of stuff. If it happened in the past, who's to say it's not going to happen again? A basic rule of propaganda is that if you control the media, you control the masses.

Bit off topic but that guy sure drives like a russian

 

In Mother Russia, car drives you  :panic:


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 12:22 AM

So forgive me if this has already been asked, but if he's on such an anti-video game crusade, then what's he doing modding them? Does he have a job or something similar?

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 07:18 AM

Okay, I'll just answer him here, then:
Although I respect Russians and view them as brothers (along with other Slavs), and don't really want Serbia to join the EU, that doesn't necessarily mean I hate Americans and other Europeans, I don't generalize people unlike he does, I hate a lot of governments, but if anything, governments are the one who are trying to shut down the games and everything, I don't see a point with censoring the game because you're most likely either supporting those annoying governments or something like that.

I too dislike NATO but that has absolutely nothing to do with video gaming, if anything, the video-game companies mock many high ranking govt. people, they're pretty much pissing them off.

Although I dislike some scenes such as "No Russian" in MW2, in the end of the day all you're really doing is killing pixels that doesn't really impact anything in real life. In video games, unless you're a sick person, you do things you'll never do in real life. I'd never kill a person but that doesn't mean I wouldn't play video games.


I do have a beef with politicians and governments as well, i.e. politicos in the US and elsewhere, but I wouldn't want to generalise the Americans or other Westerners either. It's just as pointless as branding every Muslim as a terrorist where as those atrocities were done by certain groups and not pretty much everyone.
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Posted 06 February 2014 - 01:27 PM Edited by MarOxq, 06 February 2014 - 01:28 PM.

I don't think this is legit. Last time I checked, Rockstar doesn't change in-game billboards when they sell GTA games in different countries. Most they change to my knowledge would be subtitles and the like. But then again...
 

 
But then again, Russia/former USSR's known for this kind of stuff. If it happened in the past, who's to say it's not going to happen again? A basic rule of propaganda is that if you control the media, you control the masses.

Bit off topic but that guy sure drives like a russian

In Mother Russia, car drives you  :panic:


Looks like on PSP he drives better

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 02:26 PM

So forgive me if this has already been asked, but if he's on such an anti-video game crusade, then what's he doing modding them? Does he have a job or something similar?

Ask him yourself, you will get a huge text.

From our dialog I posted...

[2.02.2014 11:46:43] Rapla Tt: But why have you made soft for GTA V (Texture Editor, LibertyV, key extractor)? No clue.
[2.02.2014 11:51:09] Andrey Dageron: I wrote soft for GTA V in order to support hiddenly online cheating and piracy. It was so much fun to extract AES encryption key from GTA V (disassemble x360 executables in IDA) while game wasn't even available yet (got it from torrents)... And next, give people way for texture edition. The more info about GTA V is published before it's PC release (about Xbox360 and PS3 structures, etc), the better is. The more console mods will be, also the better is (console modding is possible only on hacked consoles, which is also good because it breaks copyright system, and I call people never pay for videogames).
[2.02.2014 11:59:53] Rapla Tt: Well... Actually, why Rockstar, why GTA? There are a lot of popular 'violent' games.
[2.02.2014 12:03:58] Andrey Dageron: Because I know a lot about GTA modding and programming for GTA, some years ago also was interested in GTA games, fortunately, got rid of gaming. I also know the psychology of GTA players.
[2.02.2014 12:10:46] Rapla Tt: Have you got consoles and any games?
[2.02.2014 12:14:40] Andrey Dageron: PSP and Xbox360. Both are hacked, of course. And all games are downloaded from the internet (from torrents).

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 08:43 PM

 

So forgive me if this has already been asked, but if he's on such an anti-video game crusade, then what's he doing modding them? Does he have a job or something similar?

Ask him yourself, you will get a huge text.

From our dialog I posted...

[2.02.2014 11:46:43] Rapla Tt: But why have you made soft for GTA V (Texture Editor, LibertyV, key extractor)? No clue.
[2.02.2014 11:51:09] Andrey Dageron: I wrote soft for GTA V in order to support hiddenly online cheating and piracy. It was so much fun to extract AES encryption key from GTA V (disassemble x360 executables in IDA) while game wasn't even available yet (got it from torrents)... And next, give people way for texture edition. The more info about GTA V is published before it's PC release (about Xbox360 and PS3 structures, etc), the better is. The more console mods will be, also the better is (console modding is possible only on hacked consoles, which is also good because it breaks copyright system, and I call people never pay for videogames).
[2.02.2014 11:59:53] Rapla Tt: Well... Actually, why Rockstar, why GTA? There are a lot of popular 'violent' games.
[2.02.2014 12:03:58] Andrey Dageron: Because I know a lot about GTA modding and programming for GTA, some years ago also was interested in GTA games, fortunately, got rid of gaming. I also know the psychology of GTA players.
[2.02.2014 12:10:46] Rapla Tt: Have you got consoles and any games?
[2.02.2014 12:14:40] Andrey Dageron: PSP and Xbox360. Both are hacked, of course. And all games are downloaded from the internet (from torrents).

 

whats his skype name, mr.dageron or something?


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 08:57 PM

whats his skype name, mr.dageron or something?


 

 

 

Skype (MrDageron) or ICQ (713790). I have tried to contact him concerning him wanting to move with his mod to Poland but he still hasn't answered.


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 09:40 PM

Wow, this guy is nuts. It's astonishing how he represents almost all qualities that I hate with a passion. :blink:


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 09:41 PM

 

whats his skype name, mr.dageron or something?


 

 

 

Skype (MrDageron) or ICQ (713790). I have tried to contact him concerning him wanting to move with his mod to Poland but he still hasn't answered.

 

Aight, ill ask him


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 06:12 PM Edited by markusizr, 14 February 2014 - 10:48 PM.

i have that version too but maybe he created a textures with txdworkshop  :cry:  not sure or his game pirated version


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:32 AM Edited by Cherbet97, 01 March 2014 - 05:33 AM.

I believe that it is right, and does it not apply to the USSR, and other nonsense.





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