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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:19 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 01 February 2014 - 09:29 PM.

just found this:

http://dageron.com/?...id=4823&lang=en

http://dageron.com/?page_id=4823

 

I don't understand Russian, looks like article is not translated to English well also

but this is totally uncommon

 

as far as I understand, they censored the game?

 

removed some missions (changed game plot in some way), removed some radiostations, removed stats menu item, removed some textures, added anti-videogame and anti-Rockstar propaganda

 

Correction example – in the original game player was attacked by the “crazies with chainsaws”:

dageron_lcs_psp_1_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_psp_2_thumb.jpg

 

Correction example – cruel scene is removed and replaced with the message addressed to the player:

dageron_lcs_ps2_1_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_psp_3_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_psp_4_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_psp_5_thumb.jpgdageron_lcs_psp_6_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_psp_7_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_psp_8_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_psp_9_thumb.jpg

Translation into English: In this videogame takes place scene showing a terrorist act, where player becomes the direct executor of the crime. Apparently, the developers thought that it is appropriate to include such scene into their already tough, endlessly violent videogame. Localizators, engaged in it translation and adaptation, are strictly against such things. From our point of view, such ideas of developers are criminal and immoral. In the world there is so much anger, violence and cruelty… Think about it, players, just think about the things you play.

 

dageron_lcs_1_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_2_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_3_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_4_thumb.jpg dageron_lcs_10_thumb.jpg  dageron_lcs_15_thumb.jpg 

 

how can it be possible, btw?

they made a PS2 DVD and PSP UMD disc series

 

Russia doesn't have digital copyright laws, am I right?

or could everything this be done with R* permission

 

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:41 PM Edited by universetwisters, 01 February 2014 - 09:48 PM.

I don't think this is legit. Last time I checked, Rockstar doesn't change in-game billboards when they sell GTA games in different countries. Most they change to my knowledge would be subtitles and the like. But then again...

 

 

But then again, Russia/former USSR's known for this kind of stuff. If it happened in the past, who's to say it's not going to happen again? A basic rule of propaganda is that if you control the media, you control the masses.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:48 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 01 February 2014 - 09:49 PM.

Looks like this billboards are not only translated, but changed, found this:

Availability of social advertising in localization caused by several objective reasons. First of all, the presence of a large audience of young players and an emergency distribution of mentioned above defects in this environment. Not for nothing such localization caused so much hatred among them.

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We have tried to clean up the maximum amount of textures with improper materials. On the each sign, on the each plate, each texture, we conducted scrupulous work. Content had been disassembled piece by piece – whether it can hint something indecent, uncivilized, immoral, directly or indirectly promote such materials.

For example, signs and plates, at least indirectly hinting alcohol, had been replaced by similar, with titles: “nonalcoholic drinks”, “mineral water”, “tea”, “healthy food”, etc.

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Any mentions of such abominable events, like violence, drug addiction, prostitution, debauchery, had been regarded as propaganda by the videogame developers. That is why one of the original textures with similar content was replaced with new title: “American R * Games dirty-office are CRIMINALS, DONT CONTRIBUTE to them, they are the authors of the sadistic videogames“. And also some amount of other textures had been added, incriminating videogame developers and videogames in general.

 

What a mess!

Don't understand as well.

 

Such game 'version' is 'legally' sold in Russian shops.

No clue with hateness to Rockstar Games.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:51 PM

It's NOT official. The translation is fan made, and the leader of the team who translated it, Dageron, is a weird guy who blames video games for violence amongst children. It was completely up to him to censore the game.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:56 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 01 February 2014 - 09:57 PM.

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Are you sure, that this is fan-made translation?
Strange if someone from 'fans' blames videogames and relevant things, and makes a transtation then :catspider:

 

I have never read anything like that since Jack Tompson story 6 years ago.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:00 PM Edited by SilentPL, 01 February 2014 - 10:04 PM.

Yes, I'm 100% sure. I heard about it from various sources already. Besides, just look at the first link you posted:
 

From the author. This article is partly addressed to all Russian players, who had already installed our GTA LCS localization and had time to form their own impressions.


Our means "Dageron's team" there. Also, the poster literally says "Russian version from dageron.com", which is just Dageron's (modder) home page.


EDIT:
That site is a great read. Turns out Dageron's mind is completely messed up. Look what communism does to people.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:04 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 01 February 2014 - 10:10 PM.

Sorry, I don't know Russian, misunderstood a bit. I thought this site is some Russian GTA-news one (not modder), with English version for some pages.

 

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SilentPL, can you translate, please, what is mentioned on this billboard?

http://dageron.com/w...geron_lcs_1.jpg

Are you from any post-soviet country, so know Russian?


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:09 PM Edited by SilentPL, 01 February 2014 - 10:17 PM.

Although I know some Russian I got all the info from the English version of the website, so you could've just looked around a bit more :p

Also, it's not about the Russians themselves. They're mostly against Dageron's twisted ideas too. Wanted level stars being a propaganda? Yeah, replace them by 6 hammers and sickles, Виват Советский Союз!


EDIT:
Yeah, Poland was in the Eastern Block but we weren't a part of USRR. And I was born after the USRR ceased to exist, so it's not really the reason I know Russian (a bit, forgot lots).
Translating entire billboard would take me ages. I asked ThirteenAG about the first part of the text and it says

All games which come to Russia from the west must be REMADE IMMEDIATELY

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:17 PM

Yeah, I also have read English version, but there is no translation for billboard signs.

 

Don't know about Russians a lot, always heard that they are mostly strange people... I am a sociologist by specialty, so such things like digital material censorship are quite worrying for me. And after reading this article I can say that never read anything like that since Jack Tompson US interviews 6 years ago.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:20 PM

Damn, so all that sh*t was propaganda?

It seemed kinda real, though. Something you'd expect to happen over there.

 

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:23 PM

Propaganda, yeah, but he is serious in what he thinks. Jesus.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:29 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 01 February 2014 - 10:30 PM.

universetwisters

In video you posted here, jump to 5:38, it is uncommon :blink: .

Those who have played original GTA:LCS, will understand.

 

SilentPL

Do you think it is communist propaganda in game made by some modder?

In description I just understood it's like some kind of 'social ads', no smoking, no alcohol, etc.

 

Btw, conclusion in article is 'no comment'.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:32 PM

universetwisters

In video you posted here, jump to 5:38, it is uncommon :blink: .

Those who have played original GTA:LCS, will understand.

 

I know it's uncommon. The camera just pans to the sky while I believe the subtitles give some kind of anti-terrorism speech.

 

And to answer the other question just for the hell of it, I'm not sure if there's much communist propaganda in games today. Perhaps if the Soviet Union for some reason or another survived for as long as it does today, the government will put some kind of propaganda in it. Like I said earlier, the first rule of propaganda is that if you control the media, you control the people,


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:35 PM

But SilentPL just said this is not official GTA LCS Russian (Soviet Union) release, but work of some crazy Russian modder.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:36 PM

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Do you think it is communist propaganda in game made by some modder?
In description I just understood it's like some kind of 'social ads', no smoking, no alcohol, etc.


I'm a bit too young to judge well, but his anti-Western attitude does fall under my way of thinking about Eastern Europe communism, yes. Could be Dageron's been raised amongst people who were much into communism and today just believes in this crap.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:38 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 01 February 2014 - 10:40 PM.

Thanks a lot for some clarification. This country is just no understandable for my mind.

Never want to visit Moscow and Siberia, and never will be.

 

btw, found this on their website: http://dageron.com/?p=5092&lang=en

gtav_mod_dageron_1_thumb.jpg gtav_mod_dageron_2_thumb.jpg gtav_mod_dageron_3_thumb.jpg gtav_mod_dageron_4_thumb.jpg

 

Looks like new propaganda in GTA V, a, I right?


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:42 PM

Hahahaha, yeah, seems like he decided to turn another GTA game into... this.

Although GTA V has an offical Russian language, I'm sure it does not contain such BS.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:44 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 01 February 2014 - 10:48 PM.

And what is mentioned on this posters is possible to read? :)

Some more about communism, soviet bears, vodka and videogames harm?

 

Cyrillic symbols are like Chineese, but worse because they contain Latin ones, and no clue with meaning for me.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:45 PM Edited by universetwisters, 01 February 2014 - 10:47 PM.

 

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What's with the yellow, black, & white flag atop the building? Is it the flag for some oblast in Russia or something? Sure dont look like any flag Ive seen before

 

EDIT: Evidently the old flag for the Russian empire


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:50 PM

This flag is also on screen with billboard above, which SilentPL tried to translate.

 

Not the 'red banner' is an old Russian flag?


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:52 PM Edited by SilentPL, 01 February 2014 - 10:57 PM.

And what is mentioned on this posters is possible to read? :)
Some more about communism, soviet bears, vodka and videogames harm?


Haha, yes, at least this
 

gtav_mod_dageron_2_thumb.jpg


says
 

Say NO to drugs, alcohol and unruliness


I want to meet this guy. Could've been hillarious... or dangerous to try to debate with him :pp

EDIT:
The flag is the pre-1917 Russian flag. Apparently he's not into communism then, but rather likes tsarist Russia? I dunno.

EDIT2:
Not exactly pre-1917, but from the tsarist times for sure.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:58 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 01 February 2014 - 11:04 PM.

I have found this: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Чёрно-жёлто-белый_флаг
Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FЧёрно-жёлто-белый_флаг&act=url
 

Today, black-yellow-white flag is used by Russian nationalist, monarchist and patriotic organizations, football fans. In common parlance it is known as "imperial flag."

 
No clue with games, actually.
May he work in some relative to gaming industry sphere? Or politics.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:06 PM

I wonder if any GTA games went through this in countries with stricter rating boards, like China or North Korea, in the slim chance that GTA is allowed there


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:08 PM

I wonder if any GTA games went through this in countries with stricter rating boards, like China or North Korea, in the slim chance that GTA is allowed there


North Korea? Man, majority of people don't have computers there even, doubt they have even a single games publisher!


May he work in some relative to gaming industry sphere? Or politics.


Wouldn't know.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:09 PM

 

I wonder if any GTA games went through this in countries with stricter rating boards, like China or North Korea, in the slim chance that GTA is allowed there


North Korea? Man, majority of people don't have computers there even, doubt they have even a single games publisher!

 

Good point. How about China, though? I know they've got online game farming or something.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:11 PM Edited by Rapla_Tt, 01 February 2014 - 11:12 PM.

I found a feedback on his site, so try to contact, probably this will be interesting to ask some questions Russian Jack Tompson :lol:

 

SilentPL, thanks for info and transtations.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:14 PM Edited by SilentPL, 01 February 2014 - 11:14 PM.

Good point. How about China, though? I know they've got online game farming or something.


Seeing how GTA V has Chinese language files on the DVD, I think they're published there. No clue about pre-V GTAs though.


I found a feedback on his site, so try to contact, probably this will be interesting to ask some questions Russian Jack Tompson :lol:


Good luck, but don't mention GTAForums EVER. GTAF is another thing he openly hates :p

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:15 PM

Seriously, why?

I wanted to give a link to this thread, but if you think it is not so good idea, I wouldn't.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:16 PM

 

Good point. How about China, though? I know they've got online game farming or something.


Seeing how GTA V has Chinese language files on the DVD, I think they're published there. No clue about pre-V GTAs though.

 

GTA 5 was released in China? That seems kinda hard to believe, seeing as one of the many antagonists in GTA 5 is Chinese and they won't release anything that portrays China in a negative light.

 

But then again, would a Chinese thug be exempt from that rule?


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:17 PM Edited by SilentPL, 01 February 2014 - 11:21 PM.

Seriously, why?
I wanted to give a link to this thread, but if you think it is not so good idea, I wouldn't.


Again, I have no idea. He was active here like in 2007 or 2008 but now is against GTAF and entire GTAF community. Don't ask me why, I doubt anyone gets what this guy is on about. Wish you luck trying to understand his twisted mind :p


GTA 5 was released in China? That seems kinda hard to believe, seeing as one of the many antagonists in GTA 5 is Chinese and they won't release anything that portrays China in a negative light.


If they didn't have a publisher in China, they wouldn't make a translation for it. Easy logic :p




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