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Time Machine: Would you kill Adolf Hitler as a child?

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#31

Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:48 PM

I'd like to just go back in time and kick it with John Wayne.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:55 PM

No, I am sure that if Herr Hitler wasn't the leader someone of the other Politicos would have taken his place. The situation was in the minds of too many People for it to not reach the Flash Point.
Reestablishing the German Superiority was prime motive, punishing the Jews was secondary.
Most of the world hated the Jewish People for centuries, don't forget the Turkish and Russian activities toward the elimination of them.

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#33

Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:02 PM

You are sure based on what? The simple fact of the matter was that the NSDAP were united around the figure of Hitler and he was about the only part of the organisation capable of gaining public traction. Hence their astounding lack of success before his intervention, at a time when other alternative movements like Socialism and Communism were far more popular.

If you're so convinced that the NSDAP could have succeeded without Hitler why don't you explain this conviction and what makes you so confident in it, with reference to other senior figures in the German far right movement between 1928 and 1933, their public image and popularity in contrast to mainstream and alternative political forces of the time?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:10 PM

I don't need to.
This isn't a debate or it woould be in the "Debates & Discussion".
We aren't talking 'Science' here, either.
It is all hypothetical.
Give it up, 'Reality' doesn't apply in this discussion, just probability.
So I say it is probable that if Hitler was eliminated (by whatever means) someone else would step up.
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#35

Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:14 PM

And I say that it is"probable" that you have neither the relevant knowledge nor understanding of the historical context to make judgements of probability.

Isn't probability fun?
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#36

Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:37 PM

Christ, here we go again...just when I thought you pair had settled your differences and had intercourse.

 

As for this thread: why would I want to rid Hitler? I wouldn't have had any inspiration for my groovy tache.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:38 PM Edited by lil weasel, 23 January 2014 - 04:42 PM.

Here we go. With all the comments made in this topic sivispacem steps in to comment only on poor ole Li'l Weasel's posts.
And, of course there has to be the put downs, like ole Li'l Weasel is the only one that needs to have such comments and needs 'proof'. I truly feel sivispacem has some sick need to bully anyone who doesn't meet his personal requirements of proof, and especially those who stand up to him.

The line of history will always stay to the true Major points.
If Hitler was eliminated then we might be still struggling through the 1929 depression.
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#38

Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:42 PM

I fully believe that if Hitler had died prior to WWII, the flower and love party would have gotten into power and the world would have known everlasting piece.

 

I don't need to prove this, it's all hypothetical anyway.

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#39

Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:57 PM

If Hitler was eliminated then we might be still struggling through the 1929 depression.

You couldn't make this kind of thing up. Are you saying that the whole reason the US emerged from the great depression was because Hitler was alive?

The rest of your post was just the arcing trajectory of your toys as you ejected them forcefully from your pram. Cheer up, buttercup.

Also, make your mind up. Do I victimise you or bully everyone? They're mutually exclusive y'know.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:59 PM

I wouldn't use my hypothetical time machine to kill Hitler. The unintended consequences might end up being worse than what, if anything, was prevented. WW II wasn't started by one man so it may not change anything.

That is somewhat hypocritical and unfair! He made a comment the other day about how the "Edited" line is punishment for those who drunk post or do not proofread, and he's exempt from his own punishment!
 
Should we have a timemachine to prevent him from becoming drunk on moderation power?


What you do not realize is that moderating gtaf requires generous quantities of alcohol to be imbibed in order to preserve sanity. This is why they must not suffer for drunken posting.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:11 PM

So new question, why was the NSADP integral to the war? Germany was broke and unemployment was through the roof after WW I. Jews might not have been the scapegoats with another party but wouldn't these tensions had led to conflict eventually?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:13 PM Edited by Danz., 23 January 2014 - 11:25 PM.

No, but I would kill the jewish guys who murdered his parents when he was a child. This, of course, before they could do so.
 
Then Hitler would become a hero, the biggest hero this planet could have ever seen.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:15 PM

 



Also, make your mind up. Do I victimise you or bully everyone? They're mutually exclusive y'know.

 

 

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#44

Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:27 PM

So new question, why was the NSADP integral to the war? Germany was broke and unemployment was through the roof after WW I. Jews might not have been the scapegoats with another party but wouldn't these tensions had led to conflict eventually?


Not necessarily. The German economy was actually growing fairly well in the early years after the Depression, and that was primarily a product of the chancellorship and the moderate political movement. It's possible that many of those who would have voted for the NSDAP would have instead voted for the primary alternative party- the Communists- but the more Nationalist elements amongst the German population would never have done so. The likelihood is that the votes that would have been split fairly evenly between alternative and mainstream parties between 1932 and 1934, a centrist or centre-left coalition would have been in place for that period, and Germany would have continued her upward economic progress without a real political flashpoint other than the disquiet from the Communist movement.

But of course we'll never really know.
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#45

Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:29 PM

A more interesting question / discussion would be to explore what the world would look like right now if World War II never happened.

 

Would it be so drastically different that we would look back in hindsight and say that what did happen was for the best?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:53 PM Edited by Vlynor, 23 January 2014 - 05:54 PM.

 

If Hitler was eliminated then we might be still struggling through the 1929 depression.

You couldn't make this kind of thing up. Are you saying that the whole reason the US emerged from the great depression was because Hitler was alive?

 

 

I don't think he was saying that's the whole reason, but can you say he's entirely wrong? The United States was a large supplier of goods to the allied nations, so that probably put many people to work. And once the United States was fully involved in the war (military action) many people were taken out of the work-force "waiting list" due to the draft, voluntary action, and the increase in goods needed to supply our own efforts.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:54 PM

If WWII never happened, most of the civilized world would be part of the UK. The US would have never recovered from the great depression, sunk unto a dystopian wasteland, and took central america with it. The US never would have established itself as the most important first world nation ever, and the UK would become what the allies had fought against in WWII. Everybody would be speaking english.

 

I don't want to live in that reality.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:57 PM Edited by Osho, 23 January 2014 - 05:57 PM.

Oops, wrong post. Sorry.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:00 PM Edited by Mr Scratch, 23 January 2014 - 07:02 PM.


A child becomes what they are as an adult due to external influences.
 
i'd kill his parents. and kidnap him, and leave him in France as an orphan. 

What if his adoptive parents were anti-Jewish and pushed their beliefs on him? Ironically, the time traveller himself would be the one causing WWII.
Hitler's father was a bit of an anti-semite, then again it was somewhat of a fashion in Austria at the time.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:19 PM

I think I've developed a hemorroid while reading this Hitler debate.


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#51

Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:26 PM

Go read Justice League: Flashpoint paradox.  The Flash goes back in time to save his mother from being murdered, but when he does, and comes back to present day, there is a world where everything is wrong.  The Justice League no longer exists.  Superman never landed in Smallville, but in Metropolis, meaning the U.S. government captured him as a baby.  He's never seen the yellow sun of earth, and he is powerless.  Bruce Wayne is killed instead of his parents, and Batman is now Thomas Wayne, who is a murderous vigilante.  Martha Wayne is the Joker who is a murderous criminal.  Wonder Woman is the Queen of England, meaning she forcefully captured Great Britain.  Aquaman is a dick, and killed a ton of people.  Biff owns Hill Valley, is corrupt and powerful, and is married to your mother!  (oh wait, wrong paradox)

 

But Flash's mother is alive.

 

Anyway, my answer is no.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:36 PM

Wasn't Hitler cryogenically frozen in a JL episode?

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#53

Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:38 PM

I think I've developed a hemorroid while reading this Hitler debate.

Maybe try sitting on a hemorrhoid Dönitz.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:43 PM

Vermin Supreme 2016!

 

http://www.inquisitr...y-hitler-video/


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:50 PM

I think I've developed a hemorroid while reading this Hitler debate


It wasn't this thread that gave you hemorrhoids, it was the Icehouse beer. :D

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#56

Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:08 PM

No. Without world war 2, we would not have the technology we have today. The world would be a very different place.

Anyway, someone else would have taken Hitler's place if he was assassinated.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:09 PM Edited by D- Ice, 23 January 2014 - 08:10 PM.

The Holocaust happened for a near-infinite number of reasons - Hitler's existance being only one. There was also rife anti-Semetism in German society at the time, political and social instability, bitterness about the effects of losing the First World War, and a general political and social climate rife for racist right-wing extremism. Then you have to consider all the random events in the lives of everyone involved to get them into the position where they carried out the genocide. So, I think there will be a near-infinite number of ways to influence the past to prevent the Holocaust from ever happening.

We are also told that, theoretically, that the smallest alterations when time travelled to the past can have major repercussions on the present.

I would personally choose the least bloody way to prevent it - maybe influence Hitler to not be such an ignorant bigotted racist. If there was no other way, then I'd gladly kill the child Hitler - it's simply the utilitarian thing to do.

 

However, every change will have unforeseen knock-on effects. If only I had knowledge of every single knock-on effect - "quantum omniscience" - then I'd be far happier, choosing the most utilitarian option possible. But then again, now essentially being God, what line do I draw on intefering with humanity?


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:24 PM

No. Without world war 2, we would not have the technology we have today.

World War 2 didn't give us the technology we have today.

 

the technology we have today was just reverse-engineering of the alien space ship that crashed in Roswell ;)

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:25 PM

Why is it that Sivispacem can edit his posts without it showing that they've been edited but the rest of us cant?

 

Arrogance, double standards, superiority complex, not sure?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:33 PM

Or possibly that's just how the forum software is? Does it really matter, or were you just trying to get some jabs in so you can feel like you've "stuck it to the Man?"

 

But to get back to your topic.

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