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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:28 AM

If you had a time machine, aside from all the other self-indulgent things you'de use it for, would you...

 

Travel back in time and kill Adolf Hitler as a child? If killing him as an adult was not an option. Would you kill a child knowing that it would eventually save millions of lives?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:34 AM

Then you'd alter history and create a temporal paradox, time is basically a big ball of wibbly wobbly...timey-wimey...stuff.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:48 AM

If I had a time machine I'd stop this topic before it happened.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:56 AM

No. Instead I'd reform him to make him be one of the greatest people on earth!

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:04 AM

Yes I would.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:14 AM

If I had a time machine I'd stop this topic before it happened.

Hehe, I've been waiting seven years to post this clip:

 

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:32 AM

No, I would encourage him to do only good in his life and hopefully convert him to Judaism by doing the ol' snip snip on him.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:36 AM

I'd be more inclined to assassinate Stalin after the expulsion of Trotsky but before the Purges. Then the toll of the Second World War on the Allied powers would have been dramatically reduced, Europe wouldn't have been impeded by Soviet reprisals and Communism would have probably been less expansionist, leading to greater European stability and integration and a reduction in the violence instigated by both far left and far right stay-behind militias supported by the Eastern Bloc and NATO respectively.

No Years of Lead, no Red Army terrorism in Germany, no left-wing support for Irish Republican terrorism, less conflict in the Arab world, no Islamic theocracy in Iran and no oppressive Communist movement in China. No Vietnam or Korean war.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:41 AM Edited by watchclock, 23 January 2014 - 11:42 AM.

Are you aware that it was considered unethical to attempt to assassinate hitler during WW2?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:04 PM Edited by F4L?, 23 January 2014 - 12:04 PM.

No I wouldn't kill him. I don't think there is a single person anywhere that could possibly account for what might happen if Hitler was killed and WWII never happened when it did. Who knows, Hitler could have been nothing compared to another travesty who may have had the opportunity to rise. Who knows really.

Besides, I couldn't kill an innocent child no matter who he would become, because he is not that person as a child, therefore you are murdering an innocent. No, I will never commit such an atrocity, ever. 

Such a predicament is reached in a certain recently released film starring Bruce Willis actually.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:12 PM

But, if I went back in time to smother Hitler in his cot and succeeded, all the bad things he did, e.g. World War 2, Holocaust, would have never happened, thus, there'd be no reason for me to go back in time and kill him in the first place.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:20 PM

Why do we have to kill him as a baby? Couldn't we just push his mother down a flight of stairs?
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:22 PM

But, if I went back in time to smother Hitler in his cot and succeeded, all the bad things he did, e.g. World War 2, Holocaust, would have never happened, thus, there'd be no reason for me to go back in time and kill him in the first place.

However, what if each time a decision was made by something, a new universe was created for that outcome.
So if you did that, you would then move into a separate universe where Hitler was assassinated as a child, and the original timeline you were within to begin with continued, while you continued living in the timeline where Hitler had been assassinated by you.
But then, where would you be when you return? Would you even exist? I mean there's a chance your parents never meet because of some kinda carry-on effect from WWII never beginning.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:35 PM Edited by Svip, 23 January 2014 - 12:37 PM.

Why not go back and kill Caesar instead and prevent the Roman Republic from collapsing into the Roman Empire?

 

Why not kill Charlemagne and let the Moors roam Francia?

 

Why not kill Christian IV and let Denmark keep Skåne, Halland and Blekinge?

 

Why not kill Louis XVI and hope for a better king to prevent the French Revolution?

 

Speaking of which, why not George III?

 

And if we are going to talk about Hitler, why not kill Bismarck to prevent the unification of Germany which set the pieces in place for the First World War, which led to the Second World War.

 

Why not Napoleon for that matter?

 

There are so many more interesting choices to kill, all of which would prevent Hitler from becoming relevant.  And monarchies would control the world to this day.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:13 PM

 

But, if I went back in time to smother Hitler in his cot and succeeded, all the bad things he did, e.g. World War 2, Holocaust, would have never happened, thus, there'd be no reason for me to go back in time and kill him in the first place.

However, what if each time a decision was made by something, a new universe was created for that outcome.
So if you did that, you would then move into a separate universe where Hitler was assassinated as a child, and the original timeline you were within to begin with continued, while you continued living in the timeline where Hitler had been assassinated by you.
But then, where would you be when you return? Would you even exist? I mean there's a chance your parents never meet because of some kinda carry-on effect from WWII never beginning.

 

Yeah, his influence is so widespread that if WWII never happened, who knows how many people would not exist today, how much worse the world could have been. There's so many unforeseen consequences.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:16 PM

If you had a time machine, aside from all the other self-indulgent things you'de use it for, would you...

 

Travel back in time and kill Adolf Hitler as a child? If killing him as an adult was not an option. Would you kill a child knowing that it would eventually save millions of lives?

 

Maybe I'd go back & tell the directors of the art school he applied for (& got rejected) to accept him, and then maybe he'd be too busy drawing stuff to get into politics.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:19 PM

Why not take out the founding fathers so the US could still be English and proud? We'd all be playing cricket, drinking tea instead of coffee, watching other superior sports, we wouldn't have a gun problem, we'd drive on the correct side of the road, and we'd have access to high quality products like pasty, HP brown sauce, and sausage rolls.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:38 PM

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No need to kill him. Just toss him a 360 and a copy of Minecraft. He'll be way too busy to worry about Czechoslovakia and Poland.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:40 PM

If I had a time machine...oh wait.

 

Anyways, I would think on better matters than killing Hitler; I would kill the human race first. No problem with Hitler or anybody now, eh?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:06 PM

No, I would not want to dramatically change history, that would be stupid. Believe me, today would be sooooo different if I did that. It would be an idiot move to use a time machine to prevent such events.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:10 PM Edited by lil weasel, 23 January 2014 - 03:13 PM.

No point to it. With the general anti-Jewish attitude among the population, and the other historical hatreds someone else would just replace him.
Better might be to try and prevent the cause of the Great War.
Which might prevent the Second.
But as I said, since Major points in history would have to occur by alternate means there is no point to such attempts.

Unless there is the "Alternate Universe".

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:12 PM

A child becomes what they are as an adult due to external influences.

 

i'd kill his parents. and kidnap him, and leave him in France as an orphan. 

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:24 PM

You all are missing something. You would have to re-educate the entire German population (as well as much of Europe). Herr Hitler was not the lone actor in the 'Crimes' of the period, which until (or after) the hostilities were Not A Crime in the countries. Treaties apply to inter-country actions, not intra-country.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:34 PM

You all are missing something. You would have to re-educate the entire German population (as well as much of Europe). Herr Hitler was not the lone actor in the 'Crimes' of the period, which until (or after) the hostilities were Not A Crime in the countries. Treaties apply to inter-country actions, not intra-country.


You are aware that the only reason the German far right gained traction in the aftermath of the Great Depression in Germany was basically Hitler as an individual? Without him National Socialism in Germany would have been at best a shadowy underground movement. Even with a firebrand with a bizarre charisma at the helm, the NSDAP only achieved at best about 7% of the German vote and even after the crisis they actually lost considerable support between July and November 1933, in terms of both outright votes and percentage of the national vote.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:35 PM

Listen to weasel, guys. He was there.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:36 PM

 

You all are missing something. You would have to re-educate the entire German population (as well as much of Europe). Herr Hitler was not the lone actor in the 'Crimes' of the period, which until (or after) the hostilities were Not A Crime in the countries. Treaties apply to inter-country actions, not intra-country.


I are aware that the only reason the German far right gained traction in the aftermath of the Great Depression in Germany was basically Hitler as an individual? Without him National Socialism in Germany would have been at best a shadowy underground movement.

 

 

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:40 PM

Why is it that Sivispacem can edit his posts without it showing that they've been edited but the rest of us cant?



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:42 PM Edited by Voodoo, 23 January 2014 - 03:44 PM.

Because moderator. He can edit all y'all's, too.

 

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:45 PM

That is somewhat hypocritical and unfair! He made a comment the other day about how the "Edited" line is punishment for those who drunk post or do not proofread, and he's exempt from his own punishment!

 

Should we have a timemachine to prevent him from becoming drunk on moderation power?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:47 PM

A child becomes what they are as an adult due to external influences.

 

i'd kill his parents. and kidnap him, and leave him in France as an orphan. 

What if his adoptive parents were anti-Jewish and pushed their beliefs on him? Ironically, the time traveller himself would be the one causing WWII.





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