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Posted 10 January 2014 - 02:22 PM

Oh look, another thread is turning into a personal slanging match. Stop it, please, and get back on topic. PMs are perfect for this sort of personal debate, so take it there.

 

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 02:23 PM Edited by Xerukal, 10 January 2014 - 02:24 PM.

Oh look, another thread is turning into a personal slanging match. Stop it, please, and get back on topic. PMs are perfect for this sort of personal debate, so take it there.

 

Thanks. 

No, it's fine. Just a misunderstanding.

 

It happens.  


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 02:26 PM Edited by Official General, 10 January 2014 - 03:59 PM.

As for 'Official Generals' stupid comments on the fact that Debra and Floyd not being killed like that and thats not how they should of died. It doesnt matter, what matters is the way they did is in total alignment to Trevors personality, favouritism and how you think they should of died is completely irrelevant when they have to concentrate on the character of Trevor.

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You took that a bit too literally. What I really meant was that if there was a good, understandable reason to kill Debra and Floyd, it certainly was not the reasons that were given for Trevor killing them in the game. In short, I don't believe Trevor should have killed them at all, there was no real reason for it.

 

And don't anyone tell me it's because Debra or Floyd threatened Trevor's life, because I'm not accepting that. I won't accept that because, Trevor was the one who bullied, intimidated and threatened them in the first place, he was in an intruder in their home, and he refused to leave their home when asked to leave on top of it all.

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 02:28 PM

 

Oh look, another thread is turning into a personal slanging match. Stop it, please, and get back on topic. PMs are perfect for this sort of personal debate, so take it there.

 

Thanks. 

No, it's fine. Just a misunderstanding.

 

It happens.  

 

 

And it's always the same few people. 

 

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So, can we all finally agree that Floyd was never raped by Trevor? Waking up next to him in bed doesn't really imply he was raped, it just implies that Trevor likes to snuggle. 

 

It's pretty obvious that Trevor only flipped the script on these two because they were both threatening him. Had he walked in and found them both having a nice cup of tea and a cuddle on the couch, they probably would have lived. 

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 02:56 PM

I think Floyd willingly had sex with Trevor and was crying afterward because he had cheated on Debra. Trevor might claim he's not gay, but he never claimed he wasn't bi.

 

And yeah, I'd have to agree with the OP here. I don't think Trevor would ever hurt Floyd. He'd definitely destroy that bitch Debra, though.


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 04:04 PM Edited by Official General, 10 January 2014 - 04:08 PM.

@ Fuzz

 

 

So, can we all finally agree that Floyd was never raped by Trevor? Waking up next to him in bed doesn't really imply he was raped, it just implies that Trevor likes to snuggle.

 

That's another major turn-off for me with Trevor. Whether he did raped Floydor not, it's just not the kind of behavior I wanna see from the GTA V protagonist I'm playing as in the game. Trevor still was in some kind of semi-sexual contact with Floyd. I'm not homophobic, but I just cannot deal with playing as a gay or bisexual protagonist in any video game, let alone GTA, it's juts not my ideal scenario. No previous GTA protagonist has ever been affectionate or intimate in any way with another man, but this sh*t starts with no one else, but f**king Trevor. Exposing his sore-riddled, genitalia and naked private area to other men in the room - again, no other protagonist but f**king Trevor would do this. 

 

To me it's not funny or cool, it's just out of place, and it makes my stomach churn having to play as a protagonist like him. 


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 05:42 PM

@ Fuzz

 

 

So, can we all finally agree that Floyd was never raped by Trevor? Waking up next to him in bed doesn't really imply he was raped, it just implies that Trevor likes to snuggle.

 

That's another major turn-off for me with Trevor. Whether he did raped Floydor not, it's just not the kind of behavior I wanna see from the GTA V protagonist I'm playing as in the game. Trevor still was in some kind of semi-sexual contact with Floyd. I'm not homophobic, but I just cannot deal with playing as a gay or bisexual protagonist in any video game, let alone GTA, it's juts not my ideal scenario. No previous GTA protagonist has ever been affectionate or intimate in any way with another man, but this sh*t starts with no one else, but f**king Trevor. Exposing his sore-riddled, genitalia and naked private area to other men in the room - again, no other protagonist but f**king Trevor would do this. 

 

To me it's not funny or cool, it's just out of place, and it makes my stomach churn having to play as a protagonist like him. 

You say you're not homophobic, yet a few posts back you refer to his bisexuality as if it is a negative character trait.  It belies the opposite of what you're saying.
 

 

I just cannot deal with playing as a gay or bisexual protagonist in any video game

 

You can't get more homophobic than this.  What someone does with their genitalia affects you how? 

it makes my stomach churn

 

Ok, so if someone told you they can't deal with playing as a black person, and it makes their stomach churn, what impression would you get?

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 05:49 PM Edited by Official General, 10 January 2014 - 09:05 PM.

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Ok, so if someone told you they can't deal with playing as a black person, and it makes their stomach churn, what impression would you get?

I don't have an issue with someone saying that, as along they can explain it in way that is not offensive and give valid, coherent reasons behind their comment. Some people would just prefer to play as someone of a specific race, or some would prefer protagonists of a certain race for certain themes in GTA. To say it makes their stomach churn is another matter, and that is obviously offensive. 
 
Homosexuality is a bit different to the issue of race, as simply belonging to a race does not involve sexual acts that are not considered conventional. No matter how you try and put a liberal spin on it, many men are just uncomfortable with the though of sexual relations with another man, and that's what makes my stomach churn. It's not offensive to express displeasure about that, it's not like I said I hate gays as people, because I don't. You cannot force people to like that or relate to that. I don't wanna derail this in a political debate, but all I cam say is that I'm just not interested in a protagonist like Trevor and that was one of the reasons. 

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 06:49 PM

I think Floyd willingly had sex with Trevor and was crying afterward because he had cheated on Debra. Trevor might claim he's not gay, but he never claimed he wasn't bi.

 

And yeah, I'd have to agree with the OP here. I don't think Trevor would ever hurt Floyd. He'd definitely destroy that bitch Debra, though.

 

 

I kind of doubt that. During that scene, Floyd is whining about Mr. Rasberry Jam. I think he's upset that Trevor violated Debra's teddy bear and then wanted to snuggle with him afterwards.

 

 

As for the death scene itself, I'm guessing that Debra shot Floyd multiple times, thus emptying her gun, and then Trevor killed her by slamming the back of her head against the glass. I could be wrong, but that seems like a probable scenario.

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 06:51 PM

Didn't even hear him say that! You may be right, then.

 

I just heard him apologizing to Debra over and over, so I just assumed that he cheated with Trevor. Either way, it was weird sh*t.


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 07:30 PM

Or... Trev just killed them both in a psychotic rage. He had way too much blood on him.


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 07:41 PM

I'm surprised at all the Trevor hate. When I think of GTA, I think of destroying sh*t, killing mercilessly, and pissing off the cops.  The only character in GTA V who I would feel comfortable doing this as is Trevor.

 

The reason he's such a successful character is because R* made him memorable. They've packed so much personality into a bunch of pixels, nicely complemented by Steven Ogg, of course, and it worked. Some people hate him, some love him, but nobody is indifferent, it seems. 

 

He may be psychologically messed up, but we needed that.  We wouldn't have that constant sense of "what's going to happen next?" without him. The Debra-Floyd thing? Total shock value. It keeps us wondering. It's those touches that work. Michael and Franklin are great and all, but without Trevor, the story would be pretty damn bland.

 

And in no way is he useless.  This story was, for the most part, centered on Trevor's relationship with Michael. 

Another top notch post I've read this evening, and I couldn't agree with it more.  :^:

 

Just to add to your mention of Steven Ogg; this seems to be something else the anti-Trevor brigade never feel inclined to acknowledge - Ogg's outstanding performance. His along with James McCaffery's (Max Payne) voice acting and motion capture have made R*'s last two games feel extremely movie-like and believable when watching the cutscenes. (I still can't believe McCaffery didn't win any major award for his work in MP3...but that's another matter...)

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 01:29 AM

Trevor slaughtered them badly.

Floyd seemed to pull his balls out from wherever he had them hidden: he confronted Trevor at the door! This, plus losing his sh*t inside the apartment, plus Debra playing with that gun, made Trevor go psycho, a la "Johnny Klebitz just dissed me while dumbfounded at Michael's sudden resurrection".


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 01:59 AM Edited by Cicero The Great, 11 January 2014 - 02:03 AM.

@official general

You (and someone else here) are confusing a game with real life
This is GTA, a game where characters like the two mentioned deserves to die

We liked Floyd, but he was a bitch puppet for a bitch queen
Kill the guy was the only way to absolve him

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 02:10 AM

@official general

You (and someone else here) are confusing a game with real life
This is GTA, a game where characters like the two mentioned deserves to die

We liked Floyd, but he was a bitch puppet for a bitch queen
Kill the guy was the only way to absolve him

so if you're a wimp, you deserve to die, right?


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 02:24 AM

@official general
You (and someone else here) are confusing a game with real life
This is GTA, a game where characters like the two mentioned deserves to die
We liked Floyd, but he was a bitch puppet for a bitch queen
Kill the guy was the only way to absolve him

so if you're a wimp, you deserve to die, right?

We are wasting time here...
One of Our best friend IN REAL LIFE is a wimp, even more than floyd

Sometimes he even close his car with the keys in !
But We love and protect him, because he's genuine

The death of Floyd in GTA V was functional to the game and to trevor's character, and admittedly a touch of genius

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 03:23 AM

Killed them.

 

Raped their dead bodies.

 

Ate them.

 

Debra  became a sandwich.

 

Floyd became soup. (no salt)


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 12:47 PM Edited by Official General, 11 January 2014 - 12:48 PM.

@official general

You (and someone else here) are confusing a game with real life
This is GTA, a game where characters like the two mentioned deserves to die

We liked Floyd, but he was a bitch puppet for a bitch queen
Kill the guy was the only way to absolve him

 

It don't matter if it's a game or not, and I'm not saying I liked Floyd or Debra, that's irrelevant. Those are not good enough reasons or justification to brutally kill relatively innocent people. If Trevor was hired and paid by someone to do it, then that's a different story, because it's nature of GTA protagonists, they are career criminals. But for that reason alone ? No, it don't sit well with me. There is nothing else to it as far as I'm concerned. 


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 03:29 PM

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Innocent people? Debra was innocent? Since when? She randomly pulled a gun at both Floyd and Trevor instead of nicely asking them to leave.

 

You're a Smart guy I admit that but you need to look past the fact that it was a couple, Debra was a dominant bitch who liked seeing Floyd suffer.

 

Trevor didn't want to kill them because ''FAK U IM TRVUR I DUU WOT I LIEK, FAK U MIKAL Y U BETRAY MI'' and all that sh*t. Trevor just left Ms. Madrazo, Debra pulled a gun on him and Floyd, Trevor got mad and it all went apesh*t.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 04:20 PM

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Innocent people? Debra was innocent? Since when? She randomly pulled a gun at both Floyd and Trevor instead of nicely asking them to leave.

 

You're a Smart guy I admit that but you need to look past the fact that it was a couple, Debra was a dominant bitch who liked seeing Floyd suffer.

 

Trevor didn't want to kill them because ''FAK U IM TRVUR I DUU WOT I LIEK, FAK U MIKAL Y U BETRAY MI'' and all that sh*t. Trevor just left Ms. Madrazo, Debra pulled a gun on him and Floyd, Trevor got mad and it all went apesh*t.

 

You're forgetting that Trevor was an intruder from the start. He had no business living in Debra and Floyd's apartment in the first place. As always, he bullied and initimidated his way into getting what he wanted. And I've already stated that I don't care about Floyd or Debra as such, I'm not saying they were nice people either, but they were relatively innocent. Floyd was not really a criminal, he had a legitimate job, and so was Debra, all Debra did was use a gun to tell a violent intruder to leave her own home, what's so bad about that ?

 

She and Floyd had asked Trevor to leave before, but Trevor refused. It was clear to her that Trevor was a very real and dangerous threat who would not go away without some kind of force applied, and her being a woman, the best thing she could do was use a gun to make a point. At the end of the day, she would what many people would if they had an violent intruder in their own home. 

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 04:29 PM

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You're forgetting the fact that she wasn't only evicting Trevor out of her house, he was evicting Floyd aswell, and the poor guy didn't deserve any of that.

 

You're also forgetting the fact that Trevor could of had leave if asked nicely and he wasn't threatening anybody, yeah he kicked in the door but he wasn't causing harm at all.

 

 All of the sudden Debra pulls out a gun at the both of them and he went Apesh*t.

 

Floyd was a decent person, Debra wasn't.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 04:35 PM

^^How was Debra not a decent person? She only made 1 appearance. Sure she did act like a bitch, but like Official General said, the only way to get a violent intruder like Trevor out of her house would be by using force, so she pulled a gun out. 

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 04:38 PM

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You're forgetting the fact that she wasn't only evicting Trevor out of her house, he was evicting Floyd aswell, and the poor guy didn't deserve any of that.

 

You're also forgetting the fact that Trevor could of had leave if asked nicely and he wasn't threatening anybody, yeah he kicked in the door but he wasn't causing harm at all.

 

 All of the sudden Debra pulls out a gun at the both of them and he went Apesh*t.

 

Floyd was a decent person, Debra wasn't.

 

I don't like many people because of their personalities. Still not a reason for me to kill them is it ? Of course not. Still don't wash with me pal. Trevor would never have left that place if Debra asked nicely, that's straight bullsh*t - lets stop with the comedy here. 


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 04:42 PM Edited by Los Santos Police Department, 11 January 2014 - 05:10 PM.

My guess:

 

Debra pulled a gun on both Trevor and Floyd. 

 

Floyd politely asks Debra to calm down.

 

Trevor gets a knife.

 

Floyd starts annoying Debra, so she shoots him.

 

Trevor kills Debra with the knife in retaliation.

 

Trevor then walks out, with blood all over his clothes.

 

I don't think that Trevor would kill Floyd, but I can see him killing Debra.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 05:03 PM

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Cut it with the crap. Yes Trevor was a f*cking intruder in DEBRAS HOME, NOT FLOYD'S. But he could of had leave if he was asked nicely, because he ins't a f*cking mudering maniac 24/7 as some of you people say.

 

 Do I go to every f*cking thread expressing my hatred for how Niko bitched about killing people was crap then he went and killed Faustin's boyfriend, Dwayne's Girlfriend and a bunch of other people who were innocent and not? No I do not do that.

 

Debra wans't nice, he liked humiliating Floyd, threating him like crap and cheating on him. I would say she wasn't innocent at all, I see the reason for her to evict Trevor but not Floyd, why the hell would she kick Floyd if she loves him that much? Why would she pull out a gun at him?! Instead of pulling a gun at them why didn't she call the cops? Trevor wasn't armed and he didn't really harm anybody nor he was intending to. She didn't even know Trevor in the first place, to all her knowledge it could of had been one of Floyd's Friends, and she doesn't like having Floyd bringing Friends to her condo.

 

Debra deserved to die.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 05:09 PM Edited by Los Santos Police Department, 11 January 2014 - 05:10 PM.

Dwayne's girlfriend was an optional kill, the player didn't have to kill her. 

 

As for your statement, "Debra deserved to die", I have to agree. That bitch deserved it, and I hope her demise was slow and painful.

 

This is how I see how it went out:

My guess:

 

Debra pulled a gun on both Trevor and Floyd. 

 

Floyd politely asks Debra to calm down.

 

Trevor gets a knife.

 

Floyd starts annoying Debra, so she shoots him.

 

Trevor kills Debra with the knife in retaliation.

 

Trevor then walks out, with blood all over his clothes.

 

I don't think that Trevor would kill Floyd, but I can see him killing Debra.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 05:12 PM Edited by Official General, 11 January 2014 - 05:25 PM.

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Cut it with the crap. Yes Trevor was a f*cking intruder in DEBRAS HOME, NOT FLOYD'S. But he could of had leave if he was asked nicely, because he ins't a f*cking mudering maniac 24/7 as some of you people say.

 

 Do I go to every f*cking thread expressing my hatred for how Niko bitched about killing people was crap then he went and killed Faustin's boyfriend, Dwayne's Girlfriend and a bunch of other people who were innocent and not? No I do not do that.

 

Debra wans't nice, he liked humiliating Floyd, threating him like crap and cheating on him. I would say she wasn't innocent at all, I see the reason for her to evict Trevor but not Floyd, why the hell would she kick Floyd if she loves him that much? Why would she pull out a gun at him?! Instead of pulling a gun at them why didn't she call the cops? Trevor wasn't armed and he didn't really harm anybody nor he was intending to. She didn't even know Trevor in the first place, to all her knowledge it could of had been one of Floyd's Friends, and she doesn't like having Floyd bringing Friends to her condo.

 

Debra deserved to die.

 

 

* Who's Faustin's boyfriend ?? I don't remember that.

 

* You had a choice of killing Dwayne's ex-girlfriend or not, there is a big difference there. I chose not to kill her, and I got a set of Random Encounter missions from it. 

 

* I don't care about what you say or express on these forums, as long as it's relevant to the topic, it makes sense, and you're not deeply offensive. You should be here to discuss and express your own opinion in your own way, not follow how everybody else does it. 

 

* That was a very difficult situation to make the best decision at an instant, and in case you have not noticed, people in many parts of America are legally allowed to have guns in their home for protection (Southern California included). She may have felt very threatened by Trevor and the fastest solution was to grab her gun. Most people in that situation would do that. She has a gun right by her side, but she don't use it, instead she calls the cops on some extremely violent, murderous psycho who won't leave her home, and in 2 minutes she's dead before the cops get there, yeah that's very smart  :sarcasm:


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 05:14 PM

 

@OfficialGeneral

 

Cut it with the crap. Yes Trevor was a f*cking intruder in DEBRAS HOME, NOT FLOYD'S. But he could of had leave if he was asked nicely, because he ins't a f*cking mudering maniac 24/7 as some of you people say.

 

 Do I go to every f*cking thread expressing my hatred for how Niko bitched about killing people was crap then he went and killed Faustin's boyfriend, Dwayne's Girlfriend and a bunch of other people who were innocent and not? No I do not do that.

 

Debra wans't nice, he liked humiliating Floyd, threating him like crap and cheating on him. I would say she wasn't innocent at all, I see the reason for her to evict Trevor but not Floyd, why the hell would she kick Floyd if she loves him that much? Why would she pull out a gun at him?! Instead of pulling a gun at them why didn't she call the cops? Trevor wasn't armed and he didn't really harm anybody nor he was intending to. She didn't even know Trevor in the first place, to all her knowledge it could of had been one of Floyd's Friends, and she doesn't like having Floyd bringing Friends to her condo.

 

Debra deserved to die.

 

 

* Who's Faustin's boyfriend ?? I don't remember that.

 

* You had a choice of killing Dwayne's ex-girlfriend or not, there is a big difference there. I chose not to kill her, and I got a set of Random Encounter missions from it. 

 

* I don't care about what you say or express on these forums, as long as it's relevant to the topic, it makes sense, and you're not deeply offensive. You are here discuss and express your own opinion in your own way, not follow how everybody else does it. 

 

* That was a very difficult situation to make the best decision at an instant, and in case you have not noticed, people in many parts of America are legally allowed to have guns in their home for protection (Southern California included). She may have felt very threatened by Trevor and the fastest solution was to grab her gun. Most people in that situation would do that. She has a gun, but don;t use it, instead she calls the cops on some extremely violent, murderous psycho who won't leave her home, and in 2 minutes she's dead before the cops get there, yeah that's very smart  :sarcasm:

 

I think he means Faustin's daughter's boyfriend.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 05:33 PM

* - I ment Faustin daughter's Boyfriend, Jason. Who I remember was also a minor character in TLAD.

 

*- Anyways why did they give us the choise to kill her? Why would Niko kill an innocent woman who can't defend herself?

 

*- Then people stop going to every thread and post every single detail about how much you enjoyed killing Trevor, nobody gives the slightlest of a f*ck wether if you killed him or not so please stop doing that. Instead contribute to them if you have something worthy to share.

 

*- People to have a gun need to be trained, certified and be capable of. Debra was basically taught by a co-worker in how to pull the trigger, at no point there is evidence that she was certified or taught by an instructor in the usage of a firearm. Thus meaning she could of had illegaly had the gun. Plus you're really looking at Trevor superficially, you never understood him in depth so that's why you're really ignorant about him.

 

Trevor killed Josh Berstein not because he called the cops, its because he lied to the cops that Trevor was a stalker, that he raped his wife and burned down his house because he hated him when the truth was that Josh sended him to do all of that and sold his wife to him.

 

Debra could of had called the cops and Trevor wouldn't be really pissed, during that she could of had told the cops to get Trevor out of her home and Floyd. And to her knowledge it could of had been one of Floyd's Friends, she didn't know Trevor was a Canadian pshycopat because '' I COULD GIVE A f*ck ABOUT WHAT YOUR f*ckING NAME IS''.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 05:39 PM Edited by Official General, 11 January 2014 - 07:39 PM.

@ Tenxax

 

I've been recently accused of being too aggressive with people on here. Why I don't know, because I've not really attacked anyone or instigated any beef, apart from defend myself from those who personally attack me. Some people obviously cannot handle the fact that I am assertive, and I can crush them or outsmart them in arguments (so like lil' b*tches they report me and make false accusations).

 

Now I'd LOVE go to an intense battle with you in a debate, but due to me being watched, I'm gonna have to warn you, if you keep up with the aggressive stance, I'll have to stop responding to you. I'm not one to take sh*t and I will give it back, but I'd rather not be accused of being to "aggressive" when I'm only defending myself, so anytime I get sh*t like this, I'm gonna have to retreat from a discussion with that said person, in this case, it's you. 

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