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Does everyone in life contemplate suicide at least once?

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 05:38 PM

 

How can people say they know what real depression is when they go on to say people who commit suicide for certain reasons are idiots?

but that's totally not what I said.

please try again.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 05:39 PM

Never once crossed my mind. Too many things to enjoy that far outweigh the petty troubles and struggles.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 05:50 PM Edited by EphemeralStar, 28 December 2013 - 05:50 PM.

in the end, suicide is dumb because it's irreversible.

the fact that it's selfish has little to do with how illogical the act is.

 

you simply have no opportunity to change your mind or work on improving your situation. and things could always be worse no matter how dark your situation feels in the moment. very few people on Earth are truly so destitute and without hope that suicide makes sense. for 99% of people that kill themselves, it was pretty much unnecessary.

 

people have overcome such horrific, terrible experiences in this world. things that most of us could never imagine going through. the human mind, body, and spirit are remarkably resilient. there's usually no excuse for killing yourself. someone has always been through worse than you and come out just fine. so I can see why terminally ill patients want the ability to end their life on their own terms. I can see why someone who has been captured/imprisoned/tortured with no way out would see death as a viable escape. but short of that, I really have yet to hear any good reason for suicide from the average depressed 20-year old.

 

it's mostly BS.

 

You're implying it from my view point. You literally said that there hasn't been a good reason(in your opinion) for someone to commit suicide that you have seen and that it is bullsh*t. I refer back to my point, how can you judge if it is okay or not if you lack the empathy to put yourself in their shoes? I'm not saying I agree with the act itself, but I also do not judge a person for wanting to do so because I have no idea what they have gone through and how they truly feel. 


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 06:06 PM

I said most reasons for suicide aren't significant enough to warrant the act.

but I also said I understand the feeling.

 

I'm not perfect just because I overcame one of my bouts with depression. I could easily become depressed again in the future. I don't feel like I'm better than anyone and I don't necessarily judge the person who wants to die, I judge their reasons. and that's my prerogative as much as anything.

 

a lot of young people kill themselves before truly giving life a CHANCE and their reasons are often poor (loss of their first true love, social embarrassment, unwanted by their family, etc)

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 06:15 PM

I think that maybe my only question is why you think those reasons are poor? :( Being unwanted by the people you care about, family in this case is a constant struggle for acceptance and love. When it is constantly denied and there is no one else to turn to... I think that's like a living hell.. 


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 06:26 PM

those are certainly great reasons to be depressed. I'm not saying those feelings are without merit, either.

but don't you see?

 

they're also equally great reasons to inspire you to take control of your life and make it something better.

those reasons aren't poor in and of themselves, they're just a poor excuse for killing yourself. see what I'm getting at?

 

there's ALWAYS tomorrow. there's billions of people in this world looking for love and acceptance who have come through worse situations than whatever it is you're dealing with. I know it's easier said than done but it's true; you almost always have the opportunity to turn things around. but the moment that you slash your throat - oops - it's over. you'll NEVER know what's coming or what you might find. plus, (as far as we know) you only get ONE LIFE to live. it's the ultimate waste of the ultimate gift; and I'm not even religious :lol:

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 06:34 PM

Have you ever been in such a position El_Diablo?  Have you ever been so down on yourself and so alienated from your loved ones and friends that you've contemplated suicide?  Do you know how much energy and willpower it takes for a person who's that down on themselves to bring themselves back up to being happy?

 

I think this is a case where you really can't say what you're saying until you've been there.  If you have been, then I apologize, and good for you for getting yourself out of it, but if you haven't, I'd think again. Sure, some people come through, but it is incredibly difficult.  You can try your best to pull yourself out of a slump like that, but it doesn't mean you'll always succeed, and trying over and over again can begin to feel meaningless for some.  

 

Not everyone has the inspiration or a reason to bring themselves out of it, either.  What if they have nothing going for them?  If they have no one who cares about them, why should they even bother trying to make something good of themselves if they have no one to make proud of? Sure, suicidal folk might understand that they have an opportunity to try to pull themselves out of their slump, but a lot of them probably think, "Why bother? No one would even care." And that's life.  A lot of us live to make others happy because we're humans and we often seek approval from others. 

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 07:35 PM Edited by Triple Vacuum Seal, 28 December 2013 - 07:35 PM.

those are certainly great reasons to be depressed. I'm not saying those feelings are without merit, either.

but don't you see?

 

they're also equally great reasons to inspire you to take control of your life and make it something better.

those reasons aren't poor in and of themselves, they're just a poor excuse for killing yourself. see what I'm getting at?

 

there's ALWAYS tomorrow. there's billions of people in this world looking for love and acceptance who have come through worse situations than whatever it is you're dealing with. I know it's easier said than done but it's true; you almost always have the opportunity to turn things around. but the moment that you slash your throat - oops - it's over. you'll NEVER know what's coming or what you might find. plus, (as far as we know) you only get ONE LIFE to live. it's the ultimate waste of the ultimate gift; and I'm not even religious :lol:

I like the optimism but I think your lack of empathy just comes from you never being in a position that warrants suicide.  I think you are missing the main logic in why animals end their own life.  It's a suffering mitigation technique.  Once life yields nothing but continuous and unbearable pain, living itself becomes illogical.  This "life is a gift" talk is just moral indoctrination.  It's indoctrination with good intentions; but it's still indoctrination.  The reality is that gifts have no inherent intrinsic value.

 

I must emphasize that suicide IS NOT a pain relief mechanism; just a pain ending one.  Of course a dead person won't be conscious to feel the relief.  That's the tragedy in it all.  To expand this logic to a scenario everyone can relate to, think of the dilemma political prisoners and captured high-value targets in general may face.  Is life really worth living when indefinite torture is inevitable?


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 07:41 PM

and captured high-value targets in general may face.  Is life really worth living when indefinite torture is inevitable?

 

Sorry, but that's a horrible statement.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 09:07 PM

 

 This "life is a gift" talk is just moral indoctrination.  It's indoctrination with good intentions; but it's still indoctrination.

I vehemently disagree.

it's not indoctrination to arrive at your own conclusions in life based on experience. no one taught this to me. I didn't read it some book and declare "Eureka!"

 

I arrived here of my accord.

and who's to say my mind can't be changed? I've said more than once that I understand - and empathize - with suicide in certain situations but that those situations are very limited. I'm sure that if I were standing at the proverbial ledge, I would no longer see life as a gift. but that doesn't change the fact that life can absolutely be a gift and is a gift when utilized with the best intentions.

 

more often than not, life is good.

people can evidently drag themselves from any kind of hole.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:07 PM

This "life is a gift" talk is just moral indoctrination.  It's indoctrination with good intentions; but it's still indoctrination. 

I think it's actually a fair point (see orbitals post, he worded it well "think how many things had to go a certain way for us to be here now") but not everyone is philosophically equipped to see it.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:13 PM

 

it's not indoctrination to arrive at your own conclusions in life based on experience. no one taught this to me. I didn't read it some book and declare "Eureka!"

 

I arrived here of my accord.

This just isn't true. You did not grow up in a bubble, you're shaped by society and by parental upbringing. Everything you know up to a certain stage is taught to you. Having said that, I don't really understand the nature of what you two are debating. Life isn't a inherently 'good' or 'bad' thing, it's just a state of being. I'm not going to say 'life is what you make of it', but it is relative to your situation.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:15 PM Edited by El_Diablo, 28 December 2013 - 11:16 PM.

but to call it "indoctrination" because I have a different point of view is nonsense.

very poor choice of words.

 

being "philosophically equipped" has nothing to do with the point he made.

I think he's wrong. that doesn't make him more philosophical than me, or vise versa.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:16 PM Edited by Nale Dixon, 28 December 2013 - 11:17 PM.

but to call it "indoctrination" because I have a different point of view is nonsense.

very poor choice of words.

 

I agree.


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 12:03 AM

I have a friend who once broke down to another friend and I about suicidal tendencies he was having. We basically told him that since he broke down to us, if he were to actually to go through with it that neither of us would show up at his funeral. Since then he's been in much better spirits about things. Told me just the other day that by us telling him we wouldn't be at his funeral it really meant a lot to him.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 04:27 AM

I consider it every day but the only thing that stops me is the thought of how my family would react.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 06:00 AM

I have thought about it.

 

I just get really angry at the world for how sh*t my life is because it's other people making it sh*t.

 

I wish I could make them live a week in my life.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 08:50 AM Edited by •¿F¡ññ4L¡ƒ£?•, 29 December 2013 - 09:38 AM.

I have thought about it.

 

I just get really angry at the world for how sh*t my life is because it's other people making it sh*t.

 

I wish I could make them live a week in my life.

 

Unless you're under the age of 18 and are forced to live at home, the only person in charge of how sh*t your life is is you. 

In fact, I strongly recommend watching this, it's 3 minutes long, and it will give you a little summary of the world.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 02:45 PM Edited by Andreas, 29 December 2013 - 02:49 PM.

I never thought about commiting suicide, however, I used to question the meaning of life heavily and what the purpose of me in this world is. My life wasn't always simple, in fact it used to be quite tough when I was younger.

It began all when I started to go to Elementary School. There were people who were at least nice to me, but who didn't want to have anything to do with me outside of school. And there were people who acted like I'm not one of them. They were hostile, no matter if we were in school or outside of it, which is why I really avoided talking to them. I didn't do so well in school, either. I was a rather quiet person, talked as little as possible, because I thought it's normal not to talk. Maybe it's due the fact that I have an autistic brother who can not speak. And maybe the way some people treated me made it just worse.

I had to visit the school psychologist quite a few times, because of behavioral problems and because I was so unfocused all the time. I had some serious problems with learning in school, because I just hated it downright and it wasn't interesting for me at all. That was the reason why I was so unfocused. I wasn't so successful in the tests and exams, and it made me feel bad. I always expected more from myself, but I did not do anything to improve it, which made the situation worse with each time.

I gained some friends here and there, but I feel like I didn't treat them the way they'd have deserved it, caused by the bad experience in the past. And I lost them for that very reason. It's like a seemingly endless circle. You want to protect yourself against disappointment, but you're ruining more than you protect in the end.

When I started to go to the Secondary Modern School, things changed for the better but also for the worse. I gained some friends, but there were a bunch of people who were anything but kind towards me. They talked sh*t most of the time, mocked me due the speech impediment I still have to this day (though, it's a lot better nowadays; it's nowhere as bad as it used to be). The problem was they did it at every opportunity. It made me sick, confused, sad and mad at the same time. It was a roller coaster of emotions that lasted for years. I didn't know what to do anymore. Violence was never a suitable option and I knew it just would cause even more problems which I really did not want.

What did I do wrong? Why did people treat me like this? Never really got any answers. I was always thinking about possible solutions for those problems, and I knew there would be a way out. It was just a matter of time. Like I said, I used to question the meaning of life, but it never went as far as having suicidal thoughts.

Thankfully though, things got a lot better when I was in the third class of Secondary Modern School. Most of the idiots left or were kicked out of school by then. And I decided to change myself. It was like a new beginning.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 05:11 PM Edited by deepthroatgta6, 29 December 2013 - 05:58 PM.

We all know that we have a survival instinct in us. Now when a person decides to end his life, it must be like he feels worse than being dead. In order to 'save' himself from being in that certain situation, he ends his life. I think it's a flawed trait of the human mind but it might actually be functional in some cases.

Yet, like orbitalraindrops said, life is too beautiful to waste it. I still wish I was a white male in one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world though. ;)

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 07:12 PM Edited by Danz., 29 December 2013 - 07:18 PM.

Never once crossed my mind. Too many things to enjoy that far outweigh the petty troubles and struggles.

Such as bathing in the morning?

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:26 AM Edited by Triple Vacuum Seal, 30 December 2013 - 03:27 AM.

but to call it "indoctrination" because I have a different point of view is nonsense.

very poor choice of words.

 

being "philosophically equipped" has nothing to do with the point he made.

I think he's wrong. that doesn't make him more philosophical than me, or vise versa.

Don't take things so personally.  I didn't call it indoctrination because you have a different point of view.  I called it indoctrination because it corresponds with the definition ("teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically").  The way I see it, 90% of the people who call life a gift seem to do so uncritically.  That's just my personal observation so you are free to refute it all you want.

 

 

 I doubt folks tell potential suicide victims that life is a gift with intentions of the doctrine being thoroughly questioned.  The notion is just an opinion on life and rarely presented as an impartial side note for suicidal folks to consider.  It's usually presented as plea for continuing life.  Even if life is perceived as some anonymous gift, I don't see how that exempts someone from logically taking their own.


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:07 AM

I used to, then I realized that people who commit suicide are nothing but selfish cowards who only care about themselves. Killing myself just so I don't have to deal with the problems of daily life and leaving behind a bunch of people to mourn me for the rest of their lives is one of the most selfish things I can imagine. I would basically be curing my own depression and passing it onto them. If my best friend was going through depression and decided to off himself, I would miss him, but I would also lose all respect for him as a human being. It would be his choice alone to leave this world and leave everyone he knows to mourn for him. This is how I feel about anyone who commits suicide. They don't deserve my sympathy, because they chose themselves to leave this world and forever scar their relatives rather than find the strength to carry on.

 

Bullying victims are the absolute worst culprits, especially this ''Cyber-bullying'' nonsense. Sorry if this comes off as blunt, but everyone gets bullied in school. And most don't kill themselves. They get over it. Heck I was f*cking bullied all the time and you don't see me committing suicide.

that's the stupidest thing I've read here

You've never been clinically depressed so STFU


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 11:00 AM

Don't take things so personally.  I didn't call it indoctrination because you have a different point of view.  I called it indoctrination because it corresponds with the definition ("teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically"). 

 

in that case, you're still wrong.

I didn't arrive at this conclusion willy-nilly. I didn't just wake up and start thinking this way because I saw some crap on TV.


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 01:19 PM

What about suicide bombers?

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:38 PM

I consider it every day but the only thing that stops me is the thought of how my family would react.

Exactly! Everyday I consider it but I'm just not sure how and how people would react.


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 04:09 PM

Yes. Everyone. No matter religion, race, mind-set. Everyone. Don't expect confessions, though.


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 04:50 PM

I've never once contemplated suicide.  My life has never been that low and I have never suffered with depression.  The thought of dying scares me more than anything else in the world so things would have to take a serious down turn for me to even think about it.


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 05:01 PM

Many many times, especially during the year 2013. Sometimes I've found myself in a 'zone' where I feel not quite in control, where I for instance take a step towards the road if I see a bus coming towards me in high speed, then 'snapping out of it' and stepping back


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:41 PM

I’ve thought about committing suicide sometimes or a few because of crazy voices in my head possibly from demons and their oppression. Thank god there are almost gone/gone. Is anybody experiencing this / experienced this? Some good answers would be appreciated.  :) Thank you.





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