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Posted 26 December 2013 - 02:57 PM Edited by Panz, 26 December 2013 - 03:00 PM.

GunWrath, you "totally skipped" my post, yet addressed nearly every point. The one argument you do have for littering is this: 

I'll be long dead before this Earth is ruined due to human pollution and pollution in itself, fact. Far more harmful and dangerous things out there that I have to deal with on a daily basis than a plastic McDonald's cup lid rolling down the side of the road. 

This is one of the most talked about issues in environmental science classes, actually.  People seem to believe that they can just outlive the problem, but that's not necessarily the case.  It's this mindset that's just making a bad problem worse, unfortunately.

 

 

 

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I really have no idea what you're talking about here...?

 

AceKingston:  Thing is, a lot of materials we believe to be biodegradable aren't.  A lot of non-plastics aren't, as well, and I'm just mentioning this because I see a lot of members mentioning that throwing napkins and products such as that out is no big deal. You'd think napkins are biodegradable, but oftentimes they're coated with a slew of chemicals which really slows down this process and does its harmful work before it does break down. Then, those chemicals seep into the ground and into water supplies, which kill organisms and even contaminate the water we drink if we're close enough to where it occurs. Might sound dramatic, but it occurs.

 

Everyone else:  You all think I'm more driven about this than I actually am. I'm just defending my opinion and giving you guys some facts. I'm not going to go rally for littering or anything like that. Maybe I would if I had the time, but still.  I'm just continuing on with a decent discussion, and apparently that makes me the anti-litter queen or something. :p  And please, hold off on the rape comments. That's just offensive. 


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 03:08 PM

  And please, hold off on the rape comments. That's just offensive. 

The context I put it in it should not be , first of all it's a joke, and yes there are bad jokes, but it's not picking on victims of rape or further victimising them, it's playing on the societal norm of hating on rapists, so in that sense it shouldn't really be offensive at all, if you can explain why it still is offensive, please do so, but I feel i'm with the majority on my reasoning. Sorry to go off topic about this, but just because the word 'rape' is used, it doesn't automatically make it offensive or wrong.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 03:18 PM

It's not really necessary or appropriate to use it to be honest.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 03:34 PM Edited by StingrayX, 26 December 2013 - 03:39 PM.

Don't forget he's also a slob

I guess we're all fat, lazy, careless, slobs then! Gee whiz this forum just keeps getting smarter and smarter! :sarcasm:

So I litter small things 15% of the time, that makes a lazy f*cking slob. So what? What are you going to do about it? Hold a grudge against me? You think calling me names like a child are going to do a thing?

Oh by the way people, just because I said I littered in the past doesn't mean I am going to go out and litter now! :colgate: It would be a lie to say I don't litter, wouldn't it? Doesn't mean I litter now, I don't do it anymore. Common f*cking sense. :^:

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 03:46 PM

 

Don't forget he's also a slob

I guess we're all fat, lazy, careless, slobs then! Gee whiz this forum just keeps getting smarter and smarter! :sarcasm:

So I litter small things 15% of the time, that makes a lazy f*cking slob. So what? What are you going to do about it? Hold a grudge against me? You think calling me names like a child are going to do a thing?

Oh by the way people, just because I said I littered in the past doesn't mean I am going to go out and litter now! :colgate: It would be a lie to say I don't litter, wouldn't it? Doesn't mean I litter now, I don't do it anymore. Common f*cking sense. :^:

 

I'm not calling you names like a child, i'm just making a factual statement that you littering makes you a careless, lazy , slob. If you don't like it, don't litter. I'm not sure why you are getting so upset about being labeled over an objectionable behavior that you have complete control over. If you don't like the label, don't litter.


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#156

Posted 26 December 2013 - 03:49 PM Edited by Panz, 26 December 2013 - 03:50 PM.

 

  And please, hold off on the rape comments. That's just offensive. 

The context I put it in it should not be , first of all it's a joke, and yes there are bad jokes, but it's not picking on victims of rape or further victimising them, it's playing on the societal norm of hating on rapists, so in that sense it shouldn't really be offensive at all, if you can explain why it still is offensive, please do so, but I feel i'm with the majority on my reasoning. Sorry to go off topic about this, but just because the word 'rape' is used, it doesn't automatically make it offensive or wrong.

 

Nah, you're right. It's not a big deal. It's a subject that hits close to home for me, so forgive me because I'll always react that way. I just really don't see why people tend to use such terms so often, and comparing it to littering is unnecessary. Sorry for the off topic. 

 

I guess my real question is, why do you guys litter?  Is it because you won't be seeing a trash can for awhile?  Do you just not want to hold onto your trash anymore?  I just don't see the legitimate reasoning to do it.  For me, I don't even consider littering, not even because I hate it but because I forget it's even an option...Letting something go in the wind or throwing it out a car window just seems so bizarre to me that it wouldn't even cross my mind, so maybe I'm just weird. Maybe it's because if I did let go of something in a careless manner like that, it would feel weird to me. I'd feel like I'd need to go back and pick up whatever I dropped because whenever I do drop something, it's an accident and it's something of value to me. It's like a habitual behavior sort of thing. 


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#157

Posted 26 December 2013 - 03:56 PM

Stingray, how about less of the petulance and more of good reasoning why you shouldn't be labelled as lazy when someone litters?

 

It's not a generalisation to call people that, because we're labeling the act itself. It's not calling you a name, it is labeling your action. We're not saying you're a lazy person when it comes to work, studying or personal hygiene for example. We're saying when it comes to littering, you are lazy. The definition of the word is to not bother using your own energy to do something. How is littering anything other than this?

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:00 PM

Stingray, how about less of the petulance and more of good reasoning why you shouldn't be labelled as lazy when someone litters?

 

It's not a generalisation to call people that, because we're labeling the act itself. It's not calling you a name, it is labeling your action. We're not saying you're a lazy person when it comes to work, studying or personal hygiene for example. We're saying when it comes to littering, you are lazy. The definition of the word is to not bother using your own energy to do something. How is littering anything other than this?

To add on to this wonderful post:

 

Careless: not giving sufficient attention or thought to avoiding harm or errors.

 

Slob: a lazy and slovenly person

 

So yes, Careless, Lazy, and Slob all accurately and factually describe Stingray when it comes to his littering.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:11 PM

haven't been following this thread very closely, but right now it seems to be little more than a hotbed for self righteous indignation...

 

basically I have to assume that everyone who is throwing around words like careless, lazy, or slob is a person who lives inside of a glass house but doesn't realize the glass is stained. I guess every single one of you has never littered in the past and never litters EVER? right? I mean, if you're going to jump all over a guy who admits that he litters a little bit (like all of us do), then it would only be fair for me to assume that 100% of your waste goes directly to biodegradable recycling methods that utilize 100% of their own energy needs during consumption.

 

right?

right.

 

otherwise it would be a little hypocritical of you :turn:

now commence calling me a lazy slob!

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:15 PM

Actually, I don't litter. I can't think of any circumstance where I have. There is really no need to, is there? There are trash cans everywhere at work, at home, and out in public. I am struggling to remember a single time where I've thrown garbage on the ground. Even when I go camping I bring a special bear proof trash thing and put all my rubbish in there to hike out with me the next morning.

 

I think one time a piece of plastic from a straw wrapper blew out of my window while I was driving on the highway and I couldn't well stop in 80MPH traffic to pick it up and risk death. Other than that I cannot remember a single incident. Why would you need to litter?


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:17 PM

That's Centralia, no?

 

I don't think you can really claim properly disposed of household rubbish dumped in properly audited and licensed sites is anything even close to "littering". 

Yeah, I believe that was the town GunWrath was refering to. But to your points:

 

Why not? It seems simply that one is a misdemeanor offense, while the other is generally more contained, routine, and perfectly within the law. Both produce an abundance of waste to the local environment, and neither are good for the environment. Seeing as I don't live too far from a massive landfill, and used to travel along the NJ turnpike almost daily, I'll offer my own little anecdote:

 

Tonight, I'll take out the trash, and come 5 am, it will be loaded onto a truck spewing carbon emissions into the atmosphere, along with hundreds of others in this county alone. It will then be taken to a larger pile of garbage in an area enclosed by nothing other than a small stretch of forest, and a chain link fence. There, the trash bags will be picked apart by seagulls, squirrels, rats, possums, raccoons, etc.--likely consuming bits and pieces of the bags themselves in the process--in search of food. Later, as I drive south down the highway, along with the putrid smell, I'll notice a significantly larger accumulation of litter than anywhere else on the NJ turnpike--which is pretty abundant with litter anyway. Should this be any surprise?

 

Some people in this thread have admitted that they mainly litter items made of paper and cardboard, both of which seem to be more common forms of litter, with cigarette butts probably being the most abundant overall. It's certainly against the law in probably the majority of places, but compare the 2-5 months that it takes paper to decompose, to the 500-1000 estimated years it takes for plastic bags to decompose. Just think about how much more trash accumulates per day in landfills, than trash on the side of the road. Combine this with invariably increasing human population, and you have practically an endless supply of garbage, and thus more devastation of the natural environment in order to accommodate it. 

 

Now, I don't want to be misunderstood, this is not a post in defense of littering, but I think it's worth pointing out that landfills aren't exactly 'green' either.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:31 PM Edited by Panz, 26 December 2013 - 04:34 PM.

That's called pollution, not littering.  

 

As a society, we're out of control with the amount of waste we create each day, so some of these landfills are the most acceptable places we can find. Littering is intentionally throwing your trash in an undesignated place.  Unfortunately, the two do seem to be converging now as we run out of what we deem "appropriate" waste disposal areas.  

 

Still, they are separate things, and this thread is aimed at the side of intentionally throwing your trash somewhere that isn't already a designated waste disposal location.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:34 PM

Yeah, and littering is a form of pollution. Your point?


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:35 PM Edited by Panz, 26 December 2013 - 04:37 PM.

Landfills aren't considered forms of littering is my point.  I added more to my post above.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:36 PM Edited by theadmiral, 26 December 2013 - 04:37 PM.

I think the point is distinguishing between what this thread is about (Do you throw trash on the ground) and then making a leap to a greater discussion about how every human being contributes to pollution in some form or another.

 

It is not fair or equal to compare carelessly throwing trash on the ground to having your trash picked up by a garbage truck that pollutes , and it is just distorting the issue to kind of say "Oh, I throw my stuff all over the ground but you also pollute so what I do is fine!"

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:39 PM

(like all of us do)


But that's not true. If I have any litter on my person, be it a piece of scrap paper, a sweet wrapper, a banana skin; my first thought isn't to throw it on the floor, I keep it until I find a bin, whether that's the nearest public bin or at home. 

 

Of course, no one can say they have 100% never littered; I can't say that I have never accidentally dropped something, but I do know that I have never intentionally littered because that's how I was brought up and I have kept the opinion that it just shows carelessness for the surroundings in which you live.

 

That's all the litter we are talking about, is it not? The coffee cups, the crisp packets... We're not talking about recycling materials here or the wider discussion on pollution. We are talking about the simple act of throwing daily rubbish that you might acquire on the floor for no apparent reason other than being lazy. None of us have to really detail our waste bin collection regime to prove that point.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:58 PM

Just chunk it on the ground.. make the sugars from the sweet wrapper fertilize in some weird way. Who knows.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:06 PM

GunWrath, you "totally skipped" my post, yet addressed nearly every point. The one argument you do have for littering is this: 

I'll be long dead before this Earth is ruined due to human pollution and pollution in itself, fact. Far more harmful and dangerous things out there that I have to deal with on a daily basis than a plastic McDonald's cup lid rolling down the side of the road. 

This is one of the most talked about issues in environmental science classes, actually.  People seem to believe that they can just outlive the problem, but that's not necessarily the case.  It's this mindset that's just making a bad problem worse, unfortunately.

 

 

 

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I really have no idea what you're talking about here...?

 

AceKingston:  Thing is, a lot of materials we believe to be biodegradable aren't.  A lot of non-plastics aren't, as well, and I'm just mentioning this because I see a lot of members mentioning that throwing napkins and products such as that out is no big deal. You'd think napkins are biodegradable, but oftentimes they're coated with a slew of chemicals which really slows down this process and does its harmful work before it does break down. Then, those chemicals seep into the ground and into water supplies, which kill organisms and even contaminate the water we drink if we're close enough to where it occurs. Might sound dramatic, but it occurs.

 

Everyone else:  You all think I'm more driven about this than I actually am. I'm just defending my opinion and giving you guys some facts. I'm not going to go rally for littering or anything like that. Maybe I would if I had the time, but still.  I'm just continuing on with a decent discussion, and apparently that makes me the anti-litter queen or something. :p  And please, hold off on the rape comments. That's just offensive. 

 

When I said I 'skipped' your post, I meant I scrolled past without seeing it. Perhaps I worded that wrong.. apologies. All we can really do here is just agree to disagree.

 

and what I meant was the whole dark blue background, like so: I guess my real question is, why do you guys litter?  Is it because you won't be seeing a trash can for awhile?

 

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:14 PM

Stingray, how about less of the petulance and more of good reasoning why you shouldn't be labelled as lazy when someone litters?
 
It's not a generalisation to call people that, because we're labeling the act itself. It's not calling you a name, it is labeling your action. We're not saying you're a lazy person when it comes to work, studying or personal hygiene for example. We're saying when it comes to littering, you are lazy. The definition of the word is to not bother using your own energy to do something. How is littering anything other than this?

To add on to this wonderful post:
 
Careless: not giving sufficient attention or thought to avoiding harm or errors.
 
Slob: a lazy and slovenly person
 
So yes, Careless, Lazy, and Slob all accurately and factually describe Stingray when it comes to his littering.
Yeah and if you read my post you'd see I don't litter anymore and when I did litter it was rarely with things like LifeSaver wrappers. Is just letting those wrappers slip out of your hand lazy? Yes. Should I really give a damn or make a big fuss out of it? Honestly no, its kind of petty. Littering is wrong but I am not going to lie and say I didn't do it. Maybe I should've...

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:15 PM

That's called pollution, not littering.  

 

As a society, we're out of control with the amount of waste we create each day, so some of these landfills are the most acceptable places we can find. Littering is intentionally throwing your trash in an undesignated place.  Unfortunately, the two do seem to be converging now as we run out of what we deem "appropriate" waste disposal areas.  

 

Still, they are separate things, and this thread is aimed at the side of intentionally throwing your trash somewhere that isn't already a designated waste disposal location.

I understand these are separate things, and in no way am I trying to defend littering--I do try to avoid it when I can--but I'm not gonna shout-down people who do it without a second thought, because ultimately, it's fair to say that even properly disposing of waste poses environmental problems.

 

I think the point is distinguishing between what this thread is about (Do you throw trash on the ground) and then making a leap to a greater discussion about how every human being contributes to pollution in some form or another.

 

It is not fair or equal to compare carelessly throwing trash on the ground to having your trash picked up by a garbage truck that pollutes , and it is just distorting the issue to kind of say "Oh, I throw my stuff all over the ground but you also pollute so what I do is fine!"

I think it is fair, because the entire concept of a landfill is equally as careless. "Well, we'll just let the trash pile up, where it can spread to the adjacent environment. Future generations can figure it out lol."

 

Did you read my post at all? The garbage truck point was a tiny, tiny part of my post.. 


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:21 PM

I did read your post.

 

It is just not equal to compare unavoidable pollution with intentional pollution. Until a better option (to using waste disposal and landfills) comes up, we are all guilty of that one, some more than others. That does not mean we need to go throw our garbage all over the ground everywhere else.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:22 PM

Animals litter too.. did you know that?

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:27 PM

Animals litter too.. did you know that?

 

So does Ron Paul

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:29 PM

 

Animals litter too.. did you know that?

 

So does Ron Paul

 

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:35 PM

Trash is also used to generate electricity. Good to know my littering helps power houses and such.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 06:19 PM

Well littering is quite bad and lazy, vandalizing however is far more of a sin.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 06:28 PM

Wolf, you need some friends man.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 06:28 PM

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 06:29 PM

Of course, no one can say they have 100% never littered; I can't say that I have never accidentally dropped something, but I do know that I have never intentionally littered because that's how I was brought up and I have kept the opinion that it just shows carelessness for the surroundings in which you live

 

can't argue with that.

I wouldn't say I was trying to play devils advocate, but the OP was relatively ambiguous.

 

he threw a fast food wrapper out the window.

on purpose? yeah, that's lazy. even though I'm a pretty clean person, I would leave small bits of paper in my car before tossing it on the street. although sometimes it feels like I can't help but litter in certain places. it would be lovely if you could always carry your waste with you until the proper receptacle showed up but it's not always realistic either.

 

you just can't help that so much sh*t is made from plastics. it makes me nutty when I think about it.

I'm sitting here typing on this laptop in the luxury of my parents living room surrounded by these sparkling lights and warm glows. I'm surrounded by toxic decay. everything I'm using to enjoy my life invariably wrought death and destruction. the conflict metals used to construct our modern day conveniences are born of the Earth's guts; harvested by virtual human slaves who will never enjoy the fruits of their labor.

 

while I sit here in front of the fire listening to terrible holiday music.

this world kinda sucks, I'm just doing the best I can. feels more like shoveling sand against a hurricane...

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 06:35 PM Edited by WildBrick142, 26 December 2013 - 06:36 PM.

Well littering is quite bad and lazy, vandalizing however is far more of a sin.

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OT: I don't litter but I don't mind those who do.

 

What annoys me is that sometimes a bunch of f*ckers at school throw rubbish around the place and blame me for it.





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