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Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:03 PM

 

 

 

 

Right wing? That's not true. Republican =/= Right Wing all the time. He was only in the Republican party because of the publicity of the Primaries.

 

You've expressed numerous right wing viewpoints in the past, also. I'm not saying if they are correct or not in saying that they create mooches, just that is a viewpoint you only hear from the American right.

 

 

Like what? I don't want to derail the thread, so if you want to PM it to me, that's fine, if not we can continue here. 


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:05 PM Edited by theadmiral, 20 December 2013 - 05:05 PM.

 

 

 

 

 

Right wing? That's not true. Republican =/= Right Wing all the time. He was only in the Republican party because of the publicity of the Primaries.

 

You've expressed numerous right wing viewpoints in the past, also. I'm not saying if they are correct or not in saying that they create mooches, just that is a viewpoint you only hear from the American right.

 

 

Like what? I don't want to derail the thread, so if you want to PM it to me, that's fine, if not we can continue here. 

 

 

I think you know. But no, i'm not going to derail it. I'm not sure why that statement bothered you (about it only coming from the right). Attacking these sort of programs is on the platform of 99 percent of right wing politicians, and is on Fox News nightly. I'm just stating what is more or less a fact.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:08 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right wing? That's not true. Republican =/= Right Wing all the time. He was only in the Republican party because of the publicity of the Primaries.

 

You've expressed numerous right wing viewpoints in the past, also. I'm not saying if they are correct or not in saying that they create mooches, just that is a viewpoint you only hear from the American right.

 

 

Like what? I don't want to derail the thread, so if you want to PM it to me, that's fine, if not we can continue here. 

 

 

I think you know. But no, i'm not going to derail it. I'm not sure why that statement bothered you (about it only coming from the right). Attacking these sort of programs is on the platform of 99 percent of right wing politicians, and is on Fox News nightly. I'm just stating what is more or less a fact.

 

 

It doesn't bother me. But I don't know what I've said that you'd consider right wing. 


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:13 PM Edited by theadmiral, 20 December 2013 - 05:13 PM.

 

 

It doesn't bother me. But I don't know what I've said that you'd consider right wing. 

 

It doesn't really matter. At the end of the day it would just be my opinion, and only you know what your real leaning is. I do stand by my statement that only American right wingers/fox news crowd attack these programs and talk about them creating mooches all the time.

 

OT: Obamacare can't really create mooches since you pay for it.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:17 PM


Isn't claiming that any sort of government or state run program creates mooches something that only far right American Republicans do? There is usually a racial element to the claim as well when you hear people make it.

 
That's a bit of a generalization, don't you think? The logic isn't wrong, many state run programs do create mooches, but I don't believe this is one of them. If we had tax-paid-for health care then I could understand this claim, but we don't. Food stamps are mooched off of occasionally. Hell, there's people locally that are on food stamps and they, supposedly, eat better than I do 6/7 times a week.
Why on earth do you think that a tax-based healthcare system creates mooches? Care to quantify this because most of Europe has a system of this kind and still manages to spend less than the US for a higher quality of care.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:25 PM

 

 

Isn't claiming that any sort of government or state run program creates mooches something that only far right American Republicans do? There is usually a racial element to the claim as well when you hear people make it.

 
That's a bit of a generalization, don't you think? The logic isn't wrong, many state run programs do create mooches, but I don't believe this is one of them. If we had tax-paid-for health care then I could understand this claim, but we don't. Food stamps are mooched off of occasionally. Hell, there's people locally that are on food stamps and they, supposedly, eat better than I do 6/7 times a week.
Why on earth do you think that a tax-based healthcare system creates mooches? Care to quantify this because most of Europe has a system of this kind and still manages to spend less than the US for a higher quality of care.

 

 

Are there any instances in which a citizen of [insert European country] would pay no tax at all?

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:02 PM

 

 

 

Are there any instances in which a citizen of [insert European country] would pay no tax at all?

 

Not to my knowledge, but I believe (may be wrong) that in Saudi Arabia you have no taxes and free healthcare.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:14 PM

I was signed up before the website even became available. 

 

The perks of being married to a woman who works for Cover Oregon I suppose.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 05:48 AM

I already have insurance and I will until I'm 26 so I'm good

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:02 AM

Anything with Obama, I don't touch. He's already watching me.. no need to shell out money to him.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 12:15 PM

I live in Canada.

I love How we get Free Healthcare to work, and when our neighbour tries to follow suit, They end up pissing everyone the f*ck off.  

 

Or is Obamacare not even supposed to be free health care?

 

Oh United States of America, Why, oh Why are you so confusing?


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 01:49 PM

So glad to have the NHS.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 02:52 PM

I live in Canada.
I love How we get Free Healthcare to work, and when our neighbour tries to follow suit, They end up pissing everyone the f*ck off.  
 
Or is Obamacare not even supposed to be free health care?
 
Oh United States of America, Why, oh Why are you so confusing?


Obamacare isn't free health care, it's mandatory health insurance which costs money.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:45 PM Edited by Crazyeighties, 21 December 2013 - 11:45 PM.

Nope I have insurance that has taken great care of me when I have been really sick I will stay with what I have

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:26 AM

 

I live in Canada.
I love How we get Free Healthcare to work, and when our neighbour tries to follow suit, They end up pissing everyone the f*ck off.  
 
Or is Obamacare not even supposed to be free health care?
 
Oh United States of America, Why, oh Why are you so confusing?


Obamacare isn't free health care, it's mandatory health insurance which costs money.

 

Wow, Now I understand, Sucks to be an American..


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:33 AM

No, I have the good old NHS.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:44 AM Edited by Raavi, 22 December 2013 - 12:47 AM.

 

 

 

Isn't claiming that any sort of government or state run program creates mooches something that only far right American Republicans do? There is usually a racial element to the claim as well when you hear people make it.

 
That's a bit of a generalization, don't you think? The logic isn't wrong, many state run programs do create mooches, but I don't believe this is one of them. If we had tax-paid-for health care then I could understand this claim, but we don't. Food stamps are mooched off of occasionally. Hell, there's people locally that are on food stamps and they, supposedly, eat better than I do 6/7 times a week.
Why on earth do you think that a tax-based healthcare system creates mooches? Care to quantify this because most of Europe has a system of this kind and still manages to spend less than the US for a higher quality of care.

 

 

Are there any instances in which a citizen of [insert European country] would pay no tax at all?

 

 

There are a number of countries where you pay no income tax and some where it is only +/- 1 %. Mostly oil rich states and island nations though.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 04:50 AM

 

 

 

 

Isn't claiming that any sort of government or state run program creates mooches something that only far right American Republicans do? There is usually a racial element to the claim as well when you hear people make it.

 
That's a bit of a generalization, don't you think? The logic isn't wrong, many state run programs do create mooches, but I don't believe this is one of them. If we had tax-paid-for health care then I could understand this claim, but we don't. Food stamps are mooched off of occasionally. Hell, there's people locally that are on food stamps and they, supposedly, eat better than I do 6/7 times a week.
Why on earth do you think that a tax-based healthcare system creates mooches? Care to quantify this because most of Europe has a system of this kind and still manages to spend less than the US for a higher quality of care.

 

 

Are there any instances in which a citizen of [insert European country] would pay no tax at all?

 

 

There are a number of countries where you pay no income tax and some where it is only +/- 1 %. Mostly oil rich states and island nations though.

 

 

Not just income tax. Any tax at all.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:02 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't claiming that any sort of government or state run program creates mooches something that only far right American Republicans do? There is usually a racial element to the claim as well when you hear people make it.

 
That's a bit of a generalization, don't you think? The logic isn't wrong, many state run programs do create mooches, but I don't believe this is one of them. If we had tax-paid-for health care then I could understand this claim, but we don't. Food stamps are mooched off of occasionally. Hell, there's people locally that are on food stamps and they, supposedly, eat better than I do 6/7 times a week.
Why on earth do you think that a tax-based healthcare system creates mooches? Care to quantify this because most of Europe has a system of this kind and still manages to spend less than the US for a higher quality of care.

 

 

Are there any instances in which a citizen of [insert European country] would pay no tax at all?

 

 

There are a number of countries where you pay no income tax and some where it is only +/- 1 %. Mostly oil rich states and island nations though.

 

 

Not just income tax. Any tax at all.

 

 

UAE hasn't got VAT either so that's probably your closest. 


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 02:09 PM

How does the US not have free healthcare to begin with? I'm baffled.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 02:14 PM

How does the US not have free healthcare to begin with? I'm baffled.

 

Most Australians who come here are baffled about many things, that being one of the main ones.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 02:20 PM

 

How does the US not have free healthcare to begin with? I'm baffled.

 

Most Australians who come here are baffled about many things, that being one of the main ones.

 

Where does your money go? GM couldn't have needed that much could they?


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 01:26 AM

How does the US not have free healthcare to begin with? I'm baffled.

 

Funerals are cheaper than cancer treatments.

 

...And it's considered unconstitutional. I don't know which is the main excuse, though.


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 02:42 AM Edited by Shyabang Shyabang, 23 December 2013 - 02:43 AM.

 

 

 

 

Isn't claiming that any sort of government or state run program creates mooches something that only far right American Republicans do? There is usually a racial element to the claim as well when you hear people make it.

 
That's a bit of a generalization, don't you think? The logic isn't wrong, many state run programs do create mooches, but I don't believe this is one of them. If we had tax-paid-for health care then I could understand this claim, but we don't. Food stamps are mooched off of occasionally. Hell, there's people locally that are on food stamps and they, supposedly, eat better than I do 6/7 times a week.
Why on earth do you think that a tax-based healthcare system creates mooches? Care to quantify this because most of Europe has a system of this kind and still manages to spend less than the US for a higher quality of care.

 

 

Are there any instances in which a citizen of [insert European country] would pay no tax at all?

 

 

There are a number of countries where you pay no income tax and some where it is only +/- 1 %. Mostly oil rich states and island nations though.

 

Yes. Those nations including some cities can afford low taxes because they have a low population and plenty of resources or the government has other forms of income.

 

A city called Macau offers free education. A friend from Macau told me that education is paid by the casinos.


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 04:42 AM

No. What happens if i don't? I'm a 22 year old unemployed at the moment


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 04:43 AM

No. What happens if i don't? I'm a 22 year old unemployed at the moment

 

I think you're covered under your parents' insurance until you're 26.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:08 PM Edited by gtamann123, 14 March 2014 - 12:57 AM.

Carrying over the discussion from that Obamacare topic that was locked earlier. 
 
The main thing that Cannucks, Europeans, Aussies and everyone else needs to realize is that Obamacare is not universal health coverage. Its a law that forces every us resident to purchase private health coverage or pay a penalty. 
 
I believe that the government making purchasing health insurance mandatory is kind of out of line, having universal health coverage is one thing but forcing people to purchase private health insurance is ridiculous. If I would rather take the risk of living without health coverage in order to avoid paying a premium shouldn't I have the right? As universetwisters said in the previous thread its different than car insurance. Requiring drivers to be insured makes sense because if I slam into your car and cause damage and I am flat broke with $5 to my name than you should have a way to get the damage paid for and that's where requiring car insurance comes in. But if I get cancer and don't have any insurance or financial ability to pay for treatment and die who am I hurting other than myself? It was my choice to take the gamble and not get insured. I should be allowed to choose cable or having a cell phone over health insurance since its my health and my body.
 
Universal government funded health care that people can opt out of if they wish=good
Forcing people to purchase private insurance even if they don't want to pay a monthly premium to A greedy insurance comapny and would rather gamble=stupid
 
And also the penalties are kind of pathetic. I think its only $95 for the first year and then goes up by $300 every year after that. So it will take quite a while for the penalty to be more than the price of insurance. So they are kind of failing on that front anyways.   

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:20 PM

 

 

How does the US not have free healthcare to begin with? I'm baffled.

 

Most Australians who come here are baffled about many things, that being one of the main ones.

 

Where does your money go? GM couldn't have needed that much could they?

 

Considering the size of the deficit who knows where it all goes. War?


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Posted 14 March 2014 - 02:29 AM

Thank f*ck I already have insurance with out it I would have been dead a long time ago....I am happy I cant loose it because I'm about to dive head first into the world of hospitals and doctors appointments





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