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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:31 AM

^ A lot Libertarians on the left are against the state and want it to be replaced with free association. Right-wing Libertarianism is an oxymoronic joke.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:37 AM

I don't do politics, but If I did, The Conservative side of things seems to be what I'd go for.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:13 AM

pre-christian paganism. If I was into politics, which I'm not would lean towards Greens.
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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:47 AM

Liberal nationalist, if those two fit together, so fairly right wing.
I believe the government should be run like an efficient business with many assets to generate revenue for improvement of the country, hopefully with money spent to be leader's in as many fields as possible to continue to be competitivE, the government systems in Australia are so slow and inefficient it's ridiculous, business men with an interest in the nation should run the country.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:53 AM Edited by fullmetal5550, 19 December 2013 - 11:00 AM.

My views would most likely be identified as Liberal but I don't like politics. I have never voted and I refuse to ever do so.https://www.youtube....h?v=efKguI0NFek


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:57 AM

Liberal nationalist, if those two fit together, so fairly right wing.
I believe the government should be run like an efficient business with many assets to generate revenue for improvement of the country, hopefully with money spent to be leader's in as many fields as possible to continue to be competitivE, the government systems in Australia are so slow and inefficient it's ridiculous, business men with an interest in the nation should run the country.

Finally a relevant post coming from you. Well done, bitch.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:39 AM

Spanish patriot but, i consider that the best way to run my country is to have a government where the Social part should be run by moderate left wing and the economical part by moderate right wing. So i consider myself a center


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:48 AM

 

Liberal nationalist, if those two fit together, so fairly right wing.
I believe the government should be run like an efficient business with many assets to generate revenue for improvement of the country, hopefully with money spent to be leader's in as many fields as possible to continue to be competitivE, the government systems in Australia are so slow and inefficient it's ridiculous, business men with an interest in the nation should run the country.

Finally a relevant post coming from you. Well done, bitch.

 

 

back-handed compliments are the best kind of compliments.
 

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:52 AM


 


Liberal nationalist, if those two fit together, so fairly right wing.
I believe the government should be run like an efficient business with many assets to generate revenue for improvement of the country, hopefully with money spent to be leader's in as many fields as possible to continue to be competitivE, the government systems in Australia are so slow and inefficient it's ridiculous, business men with an interest in the nation should run the country.

Finally a relevant post coming from you. Well done, bitch.
 


 
back-handed compliments are the best kind of compliments.
 

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 03:34 PM

I'm a leftist :clinton:


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 04:00 PM



I don't do politics, but If I did, The Conservative side of things seems to be what I'd go for.

I hate that line of thinking, it leads to political ignorance and social apathy. Politics is in absolutely every facet of modern society, you 'do' politics whether you choose to or not and there is no excuse for being uninformed. 

 

I'm personally a left-leaning centrist. I believe that a government's ultimate responsibility is towards the safety of it's people. People should be allowed to pursue their personal and economic goals freely within a society whose stability is ensured by state apparatus with equal access to healthcare, food etc, and as far as possible, equal access to Education and employment opportunities.   

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 04:39 PM

 



I don't do politics, but If I did, The Conservative side of things seems to be what I'd go for.

I hate that line of thinking, it leads to political ignorance and social apathy. Politics is in absolutely every facet of modern society, you 'do' politics whether you choose to or not and there is no excuse for being uninformed. 

 

I'm personally a left-leaning centrist. I believe that a government's ultimate responsibility is towards the safety of it's people. People should be allowed to pursue their personal and economic goals freely within a society whose stability is ensured by state apparatus with equal access to healthcare, food etc, and as far as possible, equal access to Education and employment opportunities.   

 

I leave the political sh*t to people smarter than me, I've got more important things to worry about.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 05:26 PM Edited by ShootPeopleNotDope, 19 December 2013 - 05:27 PM.

I'm an anarchist, or a communist, or a libertarian socialist, or a libertarian communist, or whatever you prefer to call it. 

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Communist, but specifically left-wing nationalist.

How does that even work? Communism is internationalist by definition.

 

"The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.

The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must constitute itself the nation, it is, so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word. National differences and antagonisms between peoples are vanishing gradually from day to day, owing to the development of the bourgeoisie, to freedom of commerce, to the world market, to uniformity in the mode of production and in the conditions of life corresponding thereto. The supremacy of the proletariat will cause them to vanish still faster. United action, of the leading civilised countries at least, is one of the first conditions for the emancipation of the proletariat." - Karl Marx, the Manifesto of the Communist Party.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 07:01 PM

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Communist, but specifically left-wing nationalist.

How does that even work? Communism is internationalist by definition.

 

"The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.

The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must constitute itself the nation, it is, so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word. National differences and antagonisms between peoples are vanishing gradually from day to day, owing to the development of the bourgeoisie, to freedom of commerce, to the world market, to uniformity in the mode of production and in the conditions of life corresponding thereto. The supremacy of the proletariat will cause them to vanish still faster. United action, of the leading civilised countries at least, is one of the first conditions for the emancipation of the proletariat." - Karl Marx, the Manifesto of the Communist Party.

http://en.wikipedia....ing_nationalism

Full communism is perfect system but it is not achievable yet .


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 07:02 PM

Anarcho-capitalist, although when people ask I often just say libertarian for the sake of expediency. 

 

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:51 PM

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:18 PM

 

 

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Communist, but specifically left-wing nationalist.

How does that even work? Communism is internationalist by definition.

 

"The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.

The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must constitute itself the nation, it is, so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word. National differences and antagonisms between peoples are vanishing gradually from day to day, owing to the development of the bourgeoisie, to freedom of commerce, to the world market, to uniformity in the mode of production and in the conditions of life corresponding thereto. The supremacy of the proletariat will cause them to vanish still faster. United action, of the leading civilised countries at least, is one of the first conditions for the emancipation of the proletariat." - Karl Marx, the Manifesto of the Communist Party.

http://en.wikipedia....ing_nationalism

Full communism is perfect system but it is not achievable yet .

 

I understand what left-wing nationalism entails, but communism and nationalism does not compute.

 

 

 

Anarcho-capitalist, although when people ask I often just say libertarian for the sake of expediency. 

 

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You should avoid using the 'anarcho' prefix anyway, you're not an anarchist.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:38 PM

 

 

You should avoid using the 'anarcho' prefix anyway, you're not an anarchist.

 

 

By all means, do elaborate on what my beliefs actually are.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:52 PM

 

 

 

You should avoid using the 'anarcho' prefix anyway, you're not an anarchist.

 

 

By all means, do elaborate on what my beliefs actually are.

 

Laughably contradictory.  

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:18 AM

Do you consider yourself a Democrat, a Republican, a Green, a Libertarian? Something else? Independent? If so, a moderate? Left leaning, right leaning? A communist, a fascist? 
 
If you are an American or even if you aren't, what do/would you identify as on the political spectrum?


I have no idea what any of those words mean.
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#51

Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:20 AM

Oh there's always this for people who 'don't know' their political affiliation:

 

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

 

it's kind of simplistic and ham handed though.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:37 AM

That test has such a left-wing bias.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:43 AM

That test has such a left-wing bias.

Not really. It's too simplistic, but it doesn't have much of a bias at all, unless you mean the phrasing of the questions, or you have a vested interest in seeing it as having a certain bias.

 

Having said that, this is me

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So I probably have a left wing bias in favour of the test.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:52 AM

This is the first question.

 

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

 

Most fiscal conservatives believe capitalism is the best way to improve the lives of everyone; rich and poor. Where do you think answering 'strongly agree' puts you on the grid? I doubt it moves you to the right.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:12 AM

This is the first question.

 

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

 

Most fiscal conservatives believe capitalism is the best way to improve the lives of everyone; rich and poor. Where do you think answering 'strongly agree' puts you on the grid? I doubt it moves you to the right.

Do they? If that's the facet on which they're basing their arguments, they're doing it wrong. Capitalism has never had improving the human condition as a goal, it's been increasing productivity and growth. There's also some garbage about individual liberty in there, but I wouldn't take it too seriously.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:29 AM

 

This is the first question.

 

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

 

Most fiscal conservatives believe capitalism is the best way to improve the lives of everyone; rich and poor. Where do you think answering 'strongly agree' puts you on the grid? I doubt it moves you to the right.

Do they? If that's the facet on which they're basing their arguments, they're doing it wrong. Capitalism has never had improving the human condition as a goal, it's been increasing productivity and growth. There's also some garbage about individual liberty in there, but I wouldn't take it too seriously.

 

Our opinion on capitalism is irrelevant. The questionnaire starts out asking an opinion question which doesn't even cover the merits of any economic system. Given that the politically illiterate are more likely to take a quiz such as this, asking an emotional laden question at the very beginning puts the test taker in a certain mindset and will alter the course of the test, and of course they will find themselves to left-leaning. Then all you need after the test is over is to have a few arguments that appeal to their intellect and emotion and the confirmation bias should do the rest.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:35 AM Edited by Nale Dixon, 20 December 2013 - 01:37 AM.

 

 

This is the first question.

 

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

 

Most fiscal conservatives believe capitalism is the best way to improve the lives of everyone; rich and poor. Where do you think answering 'strongly agree' puts you on the grid? I doubt it moves you to the right.

Do they? If that's the facet on which they're basing their arguments, they're doing it wrong. Capitalism has never had improving the human condition as a goal, it's been increasing productivity and growth. There's also some garbage about individual liberty in there, but I wouldn't take it too seriously.

 

Our opinion on capitalism is irrelevant. The questionnaire starts out asking an opinion question which doesn't even cover the merits of any economic system. Given that the politically illiterate are more likely to take a quiz such as this, asking an emotional laden question at the very beginning puts the test taker in a certain mindset and will alter the course of the test, and of course they will find themselves to left-leaning. Then all you need after the test is over is to have a few arguments that appeal to their intellect and emotion and the confirmation bias should do the rest.

 

Well like I said, it is a simplistic test, but it serves a purpose for getting a general idea of a person's political views. If you wanted a more accurate test, you'd have to have a whole essay, which most politically uninterested people aren't going to want to sit though. I don't think the single question is going to have such a huge impact on questions such as 'religion should important part of my child's school'


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 04:14 AM

^ A lot Libertarians on the left are against the state and want it to be replaced with free association. Right-wing Libertarianism is an oxymoronic joke.

 

Care to elaborate? But first, if you wouldn't mind, define left-libertarianism and right-libertarianism. 


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:20 AM

this surprises me in no way

 

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 07:12 AM

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I've taken this test several times over the years and I've consistently been closest to Nelson Mandela on every result.

 

That test has such a left-wing bias.

 

I slightly agree, but I think it's just the way some of the statements are worded.





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