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Posted 15 December 2013 - 12:30 PM

Every time I replay the game it always bugs me how no one really cares about Ryder. Once you kill him, his name rarely pops up ever again. It's always "Smoke betrayed us! I can't believe he did that! Why did Smoke betray us!" but the upset about Ryder is very downplayed. I mean yeah he was a bit of an asshole but surely that'd piss them off more? There's only one real cutscene where CJ shows a bit of remorse for killing him and Ceaser just said "It had to be done" and then all is forgotten. I've played through GTA SA many times, but I always wondered if there was something I missed to this affect? Why they hardly care about Ryder at all?

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 03:04 PM

Lance Wilson was a drug centered follower, his usefulness in the gang was as a gun runner, and brown nose for Big Smoke. That usefulness ended abruptly when he was killed as the San Fierro mob was eliminated. He was the last to go. And Ryder had been proved untrustworthy. Remember back to the Drive Through mission. While Big Smoke avoided shooting at his partners in crime, Ryder did.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 03:52 PM

Well that makes sense to why no one else cared about him, but why don't CJ, Sweet or anyone else seem to care anymore? CJ is always talking about how they used to go to school together and the bond they used to have. Just because Ryder was a brown nose doesn't mean that's all erased, right? I still thought there'd be some sort of impact on the two brothers how their long time friend has betrayed them.


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 04:06 PM

Ryder, was a druggie (CJ only used Pot). Ryder was 'riding' CJ all the time. After the time away from the hood they obviously grew apart. CJ, while trying to help Ryder, was being dissed by him. It is no wonder that CJ, when he found out about the treachery had no use for him. You should note that Carl didn't hunt Ryder down, but merely took the opportunity presented at the pier to remove him.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 04:24 PM

Well the time away from Grove Street when CJ was in San Fierro was nothing like the 5 year gap when he was in Liberty City. You could see CJ pawing for attention at the very beginning. Everything else just sounds like consequences of not caring instead of the reason of totally forgetting, you know what I mean? I understand that he didn't hunt Ryder down, but he still killed him then just forgot about it happening. The fact that someone he's known since childhood has betrayed him for cash and drugs, it should have affected him more.


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:05 PM

CJ should have built a memorial to Ryder? People who dwell on the past don't live for the future. You forget CJ is a psycho himself.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 01:17 PM

"Psycho" is a bit strong, isn't it? I'm not saying he should have crawled into a ball and cried in his garage, but everyone just STOPPED talking about him. It was all about Smoke. Even after Smoke died they were mentioning him, if you get me.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:30 AM

I still think Ryder originally wasn't going to betray the Grove and that plot point was an afterthought, thus he isn't mentioned too much in later gameplay, his death was barely memorable and there wasn't as much foreshadowing as Smoke's betrayal. And personally, I think it would have been much better. Smoke, who was very close to them, would betray them, and Ryder, who was always complaining and sh*t, would remain loyal.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 03:41 AM

I still think Ryder originally wasn't going to betray the Grove and that plot point was an afterthought, thus he isn't mentioned too much in later gameplay, his death was barely memorable and there wasn't as much foreshadowing as Smoke's betrayal. And personally, I think it would have been much better. Smoke, who was very close to them, would betray them, and Ryder, who was always complaining and sh*t, would remain loyal.

 

 

I'm starting to think that, too. Even during the cutscene when you see Ryder and Smoke with the sabre, Ryder isn't even mentioned.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:01 AM

Ryder was a... uhmm.. Busta'! :)

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:15 AM Edited by Nathaaann, 30 December 2013 - 09:16 AM.

Remember back to the Drive Through mission. While Big Smoke avoided shooting at his partners in crime, Ryder did.

 

I always thought that was about survival, though. It doesn't matter who you're affiliated with if you're dead does it? Just the same as Stretch in GTA 5 in the scrapyard/junkyard place. (No spoilers :))

 

Ryder could've easily died along with the rest there. Big Smoke cared about himself so much that he wasn't bothered about his wellbeing, he just wanted to climb to the top disregarding whatever it took.

 

My point is Ryder was putting out for himself back there and no one else, if he died it wouldn't matter about the Families, Ballas or Loco Syndicate (I think that's who it was). If he'd made it, which he did, it's not like anyone would know he did it since well - they're dead and they were most likely 'marks' or, well, new people that were probably out for initiation.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 06:25 PM

Probably because Ryder was a reckless dillweed, while Smoke was actually likeable and fun to hang around with. My guess is is that Smoke's betrayal cut deeper because CJ actually LIKED him.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 02:07 AM

To be fair i expected someone to at least mention him once after Cj killed him, but nothing...

I'm bit surprised...


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:25 AM

i agree ryder seemed more like a bad guy than smoke smoke seemed like a comic relief than a bad guy and ryder was one of my fav charicters in the game

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 12:42 AM Edited by lil weasel, 30 June 2014 - 04:42 AM. merged topic.

EDIT: << new topic merged into existing topic of same nature >>

 

 

this nigga be my fav

 

 

i dont liek how they didnt pay much attention to him though


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 01:15 AM

Is it because you're an Eazy E fan irl?

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 01:22 AM

no

 

i actually found out about eazy e through rider

 

 

its mostly his funny dialogue and drug addict behavior what i liek

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:17 AM

Ryder f*cking sucks.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:28 AM

nigga ur a busta

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 03:32 AM Edited by fefenc, 30 June 2014 - 03:32 AM.

I didn't liked how poor was Ryder's death, he deserved at least a cutscene or an dialogue in his death :S

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:08 PM Edited by watersgta3, 01 July 2014 - 03:18 PM. merged.

hmm....


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 11:06 PM

That's very interesting, I never thought about it that way.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 11:25 PM Edited by lil weasel, 30 June 2014 - 11:28 PM.

Carl did not like Ryder. Carl was civil to him, not friends.
Carl did not need a conversation with Ryder. Ryder was Big Smoke's Toady and weapons procurer, as well as deeply into hard drugs.
When Carl is bad mouthing Big Smoke Ryder was included by association.

Add to that Ryder was at the conclave (not Big Smoke) with the San Fiero Drug dealers, that alone earned his end.
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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:15 PM Edited by watersgta3, 09 July 2014 - 03:11 PM.

Carl did not like Ryder. Carl was civil to him, not friends.
Carl did not need a conversation with Ryder. Ryder was Big Smoke's Toady and weapons procurer, as well as deeply into hard drugs.
When Carl is bad mouthing Big Smoke Ryder was included by association.

Add to that Ryder was at the conclave (not Big Smoke) with the San Fiero Drug dealers, that alone earned his end.

Watch the cutscene of the mission Ya-ka-boom-boom.
 
"f*cking Ryder man. That was my HOMIE...and I've killed him."
 
Carl never disliked Ryder. He was a bit annoyed with him at times, but he didn't dislike him...before he discovered his betrayal that is.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 04:37 AM

Ryder has always been a dick, always talked sh*t about CJ and telling him all this bullsh*t calling him a buster. He deserved to be killed, and always looked like a sketchy f*cker since the beginning.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 03:10 PM

Ryder has always been a dick, always talked sh*t about CJ and telling him all this bullsh*t calling him a buster. He deserved to be killed, and always looked like a sketchy f*cker since the beginning.

Calm down, man. Ryder's only a character from a video game. It's not even that big of a deal.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:06 AM

Ryder was a cool guy(well, for who he is). He was that one character who always made me laugh at the most random moments. Like some people here i too think his death was improvised. Yes he becomes an enemy after G***n S***e, but he doesn't do much to actually attack CJ. I think CJ should have shot him and wounded him in a mission AFTER p**r 69, and tried to get him back on his side(cutscene) then he gives in to CJ and helps you later on, with Cesar for his hood and you and Sweet for there hood. Then he should help you in the last mission to kill BS. But, he trips and its a three way stand off. Enter tenpenny, shoots smoke, injures Ryder, rest of the mission plays out as normal, apart from when your escaping you escort Ryder out.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 03:09 PM

Ryder was a cool guy(well, for who he is). He was that one character who always made me laugh at the most random moments. Like some people here i too think his death was improvised. Yes he becomes an enemy after G***n S***e, but he doesn't do much to actually attack CJ. I think CJ should have shot him and wounded him in a mission AFTER p**r 69, and tried to get him back on his side(cutscene) then he gives in to CJ and helps you later on, with Cesar for his hood and you and Sweet for there hood. Then he should help you in the last mission to kill BS. But, he trips and its a three way stand off. Enter tenpenny, shoots smoke, injures Ryder, rest of the mission plays out as normal, apart from when your escaping you escort Ryder out.

Dude, his betrayal was improvised. Not just his death. I agree that Ryder shouldn't have even turned into a traitor to begin with. Smoke got all the attention of turning on the GSF, so he should've been the only traitor. It would've been better if we could see Ryder smoke one last joint, finally get off the weed, and help CJ and his friends.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 03:18 PM Edited by watersgta3, 10 July 2014 - 04:53 PM.

Every time I replay the game it always bugs me how no one really cares about Ryder. Once you kill him, his name rarely pops up ever again. It's always "Smoke betrayed us! I can't believe he did that! Why did Smoke betray us!" but the upset about Ryder is very downplayed. I mean yeah he was a bit of an asshole but surely that'd piss them off more? There's only one real cutscene where CJ shows a bit of remorse for killing him and Ceaser just said "It had to be done" and then all is forgotten. I've played through GTA SA many times, but I always wondered if there was something I missed to this affect? Why they hardly care about Ryder at all?

I agree. I mean CJ is all talking about Big Smoke betraying him and acts as if Ryder wasn't even there with him. Then when it's time to kill him, CJ just kills him right away without even asking him why he betrayed him as if he was a typical Balla enemy. I mean CJ had a conversation with Big Smoke and even Pulaski. Why not with Ryder? You know what else bugs me? How no one else even asks about Ryder. I mean CJ lets Sweet knows about Smoke's betrayal in the mission Green Sabre and never even mentions Ryder to him, and when Sweet gets out of jail, he doesn't even ask about Ryder, as if there was never a person named Ryder in his life, even though the latter was a long-time member of the GSF. I think the reason why no one said anything about Ryder is because R* never planned to have Ryder a traitor. But they didn't know what to do with him after the player would leave Los Santos, so they had no choice but to make him a traitor like Big Smoke and didn't put in much (or any) detail.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:33 PM

It's because Smoke was going big time and pushing serious dope, whereas Ryder was more just a street punk who was also a snitch/traitor and not really going big time in the gang world.

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