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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:29 AM

 

 

Where are the labels?


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:32 AM

In other news: politicians lie.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:34 AM

Because he's a politician.
You think that's bad, you should see f*cking Tony Abbott our prime minister, he only won because he spread misinformation about the other prime minister the whole time.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:35 AM

Who cares? I seriously couldnt care less about if I'm eating GMO. And if someone has an issue with it why dont they plant a garden and grow their own food?

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:35 AM

Who cares? I seriously couldnt care less about if I'm eating GMO. And if someone has an issue with it why dont they plant a garden and grow their own food?

Well why did he say he'd do it then?


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:37 AM

Well there's also the fact that even if this man and his party did try to do anything, the republican party would block it because it was proposed by a dark skinned man and the democratic party.


Who cares? I seriously couldnt care less about if I'm eating GMO. And if someone has an issue with it why dont they plant a garden and grow their own food?

that's a f*cking stupid way to think. A lot of god damn people care. Your ignorance and stupidity shouldn't punish others.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:39 AM

Here we go, a small list of Tony Abbott lies I put together, you have it good, I copy pasted this from something I posted a while back.
 

 
What bothers me more than any of his stupid policies is that he simply can't handle himself in public, I mean i've seen politicians dodge questions, but this guy doesn't even answer the simplest of them, he contradicts himself in the same sentence and stutters and loses track all the time, and if he runs out of stuff to say he just brings up the labour party and whines about them, well Tony, you're in power now, so shut the f*ck up about them, you've already won the election,do some sh*t rather than just slagging labour some more.

Also all politicians make things up, but his party is far worse, they are being super-secretive and not talking about sh*t they are supposed to, which pisses me the f*ck off, just be straight up.

Spamuel is right, he only won because of lies being spread during his campaig:

- He said that Labour's emissions trading scheme was costing NSW families $300 extra a year, which is bullsh*t because Labor didn't even have that policy in place, it was defeated in senate by Tony Abbotts own party in 2009! WTF! And then Tony Abbott's party plans to introduce the same damn scheme! 

- He also said that the Carbon Tax is socialism when labour was in office, even though Tony Abbott talked about how there should be a carbon tax...

- He rejected the use of Gardasil as health minister many years ago saying it increased cancer rates, and John Howard overruled him, just a year ago he was tweeted something like "It's great to see gardasil being so effective, I made the decision to use it when I was health Minister..." Found the Tweet. 
http://i1.ytimg.com/...k/mqdefault.jpg

- He refuses to appear on ABC 7:30 Radio anymore because they just slaughter him for all his lies and he ends up saying retarded things pretty much every time...case in point here where he admits to not reading something and then tries to talk about it and make points that go exactly against the document he was supposed to read
http://www.abc.net.a...12/s3573785.htm

- Said 250 million was cut from AFP funding under labor, AFP chief says funding actually increased 300 million.

- Stated carbon tax would add $400 to a new vehicle. Only adds $115.

I could go on, but yeah, you get the point.
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:40 AM

Dixon answered your question. Even if Obama tried to put something through congress it wouldn't mark it through. And to reply to go post.

I think it all comes down to personal responsibility. Someone who is opposed to eating GMO should take the responsibility of growing their own food. As opposed to trying to force the vast majority of the population (who don't care in the slightest) to all of a sudden start caring about it. I just simply believe that requiring GMO labeling is unnecessary so the government shouldn't have the right to do it

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:41 AM

Dixon answered your question. Even if Obama tried to put something through congress it wouldn't mark it through. And to reply to go post.

I think it all comes down to personal responsibility. Someone who is opposed to eating GMO should take the responsibility of growing their own food. As opposed to trying to force the vast majority of the population (who don't care in the slightest) to all of a sudden start caring about it. I just simply believe that requiring GMO labeling is unnecessary so the government shouldn't have the right to do it

So he promised to do it, then isn't going to even try to do it because it wouldn't make it through? Why not just say "I'd like to do this but I cant because of XYZ"

 

Also, how do you know you speak for the vast majority of the population?


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:46 AM

Out of my 20 years on earth yesterday was the first time I ever met someone who was openly opposed to GMO and spoke out about it. So out of the tens of thousands of people I have met in my lifetime only one I know of cares about it. So thats what I'm basing it on. Most people dont give a sh*t about the food they eat. And the small minority that do are extremely vocal about it

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:47 AM Edited by theadmiral, 13 December 2013 - 02:47 AM.

Out of my 20 years on earth yesterday was the first time I ever met someone who was openly opposed to GMO and spoke out about it. So out of the tens of thousands of people I have met in my lifetime only one I know of cares about it. So thats what I'm basing it on. Most people dont give a sh*t about the food they eat. And the small minority that do are extremely vocal about it

 

You could live in a rural, relatively uneducated area for all we know. Plenty of people care about what they eat.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:49 AM

In other news: politicians lie.

This is really all that needs to be said.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:50 AM

I live in a suburban area in the 16th largest (and by some measures one of the most educated and intelligent) metropolitan area in the US. And yeah I suppose their are a lot of people who are worried about what they eat. But the vast majority dont care. Hence why fast food is so Damn popular. And thats what I'm getting at. People that only eat organic, vegans, non gluten or non GMO people are actually a very small minority

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:51 AM

I live in a suburban area in the 16th largest (and by some measures one of the most educated and intelligent) metropolitan area in the US. And yeah I suppose their are a lot of people who are worried about what they eat. But the vast majority dont care. Hence why fast food is so Damn popular. And thats what I'm getting at. People that only eat organic, vegans, non gluten or non GMO people are actually a very small minority

 

Well, I disagree, I think the majority of contemporary, educated people are concerned about what they eat. Maybe not vegans or all organic, but at least concerned. But i'm not trying to debate GMOs in general, i'm just wondering why Barack would say he'd do it then not even try.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:55 AM

I get what you are saying. Well I guess its just a broken campaign promise. Not the first time its happened.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:57 AM Edited by Vlynor, 13 December 2013 - 02:58 AM.

Well, like others have said, politicians lie. Obama has broken a number of his promises since taking office, according to Politifact.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 05:03 AM

 

Who cares? I seriously couldnt care less about if I'm eating GMO. And if someone has an issue with it why dont they plant a garden and grow their own food?

Well why did he say he'd do it then?

 

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In other news: politicians lie.

 


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 05:30 AM

Because he is a politician and he wants to win the popularity contest. AKA Votes.  :^:


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:14 AM

People should stop taking political campaign pledges as promised IMO. There are so many other factors that affect whether a president can enact their policies that it seems a bit silly to claim its all their responsibility when policies fade away. If you want an environment where the leader of the executive branch of government has a high chance of their policies becoming law, you can't have a separation of powers.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:27 AM

GMO only benefit to the multinationals like the beloved Monsanto (which, by the way, also produced the Orange Agent used in Vietnam), who control the seed monopoly, if necessary suing traditional farmers. I'm sure that some of the politicians of the US congress have their interests in these companies.

 

People should get their head out of ass and care a bit more about what happens around them that in the end may affect them too.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:34 PM

That's a little bit disingenuous really. GM has the potential to be all things to all men plus there's no actual evidence that it I'd harmful. You're right that so far the only people who have really profited are the multinationals but that's because of anti-competitive practices which have basically prevented free and easy access to seeds and technology.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:40 PM

People should stop taking political campaign pledges as promised IMO. There are so many other factors that affect whether a president can enact their policies that it seems a bit silly to claim its all their responsibility when policies fade away. If you want an environment where the leader of the executive branch of government has a high chance of their policies becoming law, you can't have a separation of powers.

Sivis, if he introduced legislation and it didn't go anywhere, i'd agree. He didn't even try.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:03 PM

How much power does the President of the USA actually have? If he wants something done, how much does it go through and how many points are there in which it can be overruled? It doesn't really make a huge amount of sense to promise something if it isn't something you can just click your fingers for and make happen.

 

I'd ask what Obama has done to further this but googling this all I get is that he signed a 'Monsanto protection bill' as they were calling it, which...well...ain't the same direction. 


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:06 PM Edited by theadmiral, 13 December 2013 - 10:06 PM.

How much power does the President of the USA actually have? If he wants something done, how much does it go through and how many points are there in which it can be overruled? It doesn't really make a huge amount of sense to promise something if it isn't something you can just click your fingers for and make happen.

 

I'd ask what Obama has done to further this but googling this all I get is that he signed a 'Monsanto protection bill' as they were calling it, which...well...ain't the same direction. 

 

He didn't do anything, even though he promised it would be one of the first things he would do! Just like Guantanamo Bay!


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:12 PM

How much power does the President of the USA actually have? If he wants something done, how much does it go through and how many points are there in which it can be overruled? It doesn't really make a huge amount of sense to promise something if it isn't something you can just click your fingers for and make happen.

 

I'd ask what Obama has done to further this but googling this all I get is that he signed a 'Monsanto protection bill' as they were calling it, which...well...ain't the same direction. 

 

The U.S. President isn't like a dictator, but everyone seems to think that they are. So, the candidates make all of these promises to please their fan bases and win over supporters and, then the voters bitch and moan about the President not fulfilling their promises. 

 

It's 50% the candidate's fault and 50% the voter's. The President should make an effort to fulfill the promises, but if they do and fail, don't whine.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:18 PM

"as President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide"

 

Oh well. Genocide is so last century anyway.


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 06:26 AM

When you know something wont make it through Congress, you often don't push the issue because it appears to make yourself look weak. Why get told "no" when you can look the other way?

 

I personally don't feel as if labelling GMO's is a bad thing. After all, people still smoke even with those warning labels. Nobody is going to lose, Monsanto will continue it's shadey practices no matter what, a label won't stop it yet they fear it so much. Why not let the people make an informed decision about the product they purchase?

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:09 AM

Monsanto would probably have anyone who did so assassinated. 


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:23 AM

Who cares? I seriously couldnt care less about if I'm eating GMO. And if someone has an issue with it why dont they plant a garden and grow their own food?

that's a f*cking stupid way to think. A lot of god damn people care. Your ignorance and stupidity shouldn't punish others.

From perspective of moral integrity and open politics, it's bad. And that bothers me a little.

But from perspective of economy and development, I'm kind of really glad that he backed out of that one. Fear of GMO is just paranoia and ignorance. People who are trying to reduce sales of GMO products are hurting everyone. They are hurting economy, they are hurting farmers, they are hurting environment, they are hurting medical developments, and they are hurting loads of other useful research.

I do believe that even idiots should deserve to speak their mind, but that's as far as I'm going to tolerate people who let their ignorant beliefs get in the way of lifestyle improvements for everyone in the world. There are people dying of hunger on this planet, and these morons are trying to stop GMO, which can increase crop yields and save a bunch of people.

I also like to eat my food without pesticides and preservatives. You know, things that can give me cancer. And GMO can help with that. Every unit of GMO produce sold is a few cents going into future research on GMO and getting more clean, healthy food on the market.

Labeling GMO food just empowers these Luddites to spread their paranoia to the ignorant masses. We shouldn't give into it. There is no inherent danger in GMO, and therefore, no real reason to label GMO-derived food as such. We are simply better off if we don't.

That's not to say that specific modifications shouldn't undergo scrutiny. But that's what FDA is for. They should be responsible for checking a specific GMO product, and if the particular modification results in hazards to human health, that particular product should not be sold. If FDA deemed it safe, it should be on the shelf alongside any other product. And that's all the public needs to know. If it's in the store, it's safe to consume.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:45 AM

 

 

Who cares? I seriously couldnt care less about if I'm eating GMO. And if someone has an issue with it why dont they plant a garden and grow their own food?

that's a f*cking stupid way to think. A lot of god damn people care. Your ignorance and stupidity shouldn't punish others.

 


I also like to eat my food without pesticides and preservatives. You know, things that can give me cancer. And GMO can help with that.

 

 

Err,  aren't they modified a lot of the time so they won't die when they are sprayed with pesticides? I.e. Round up ready soy beans.

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