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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:54 AM Edited by Vlynor, 17 December 2013 - 09:13 PM.

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  • What is your opinion on internet piracy?
  • Do you believe it's theft and should be punished as such?
  • Is it morally wrong?
  • Have you ever done it before? (Music, Movies, Games, etc.)

 

Personally, I think it's morally wrong and I've done it before never done it in my life. I think most people (I could be wrong) have pirated something before and most likely, it was music.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:59 AM

I don't think it's morally wrong, but I'm certainty not the one to judge the morality of theft.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:01 AM

 

  • What is your opinion on internet piracy?
  • Do you believe it's theft and should be punished as such?
  • Is it morally wrong?
  • Have you ever done it before? (Music, Movies, Games, etc.)

I'd post a poll, but I don't know if I can.

 

 

Piracy is one of those things I feel bad about for certain things (Like some music/comic books).

 

I think it's sort of like letting your friend borrow a movie that you never give back/ IMO piracy shouldn't affect sales that much considering people who always pirates games/music/movies weren't going to buy it anyway.

 

I pirate games I want to try/already bought but lost the disc (I actually bought Oblivion after i realized how fun it was), some music, and a sh*tload of comic books since I can't really afford to pay $4 every time to read a short 20 page story.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:02 AM

I myself usually pirate most of any music, movie or tv-series I watch, and I also usually download a game before I buy it from Steam to make sure I can run it if there's no demo available. Is it morally wrong in my opinion? Yes. And no. I'd be quite a hypocrite if I'd say it's wrong but keep doing it myself, right? Anyways, I just find it silly to pay more for an album of music than a game which includes double the music one album does. Or paying for a movie, which I can most likely watch for free from the TV, sooner or later, or just go see it in the movies with better athmosphere but for a lot lower price.

Also, the punishments are just ridicilious.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:04 AM

-It's great

-No

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-All the time.

 

For legal purposes however; no, Piracy is wrong and I've bought all of the intellectual property on my computer.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:13 AM

I usually start out sailing for the French in the dry Tortugas and work my way up to a Brig as soon as possible. Once I have a crew of about 60 I generally target Spanish merchants and resell their sugar, cotton, and rum. If i'm lucky after a few months I get made a Marquis with a few acres of land and then retire.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:14 AM

I usually start out sailing for the French in the dry Tortugas and work my way up to a Brig as soon as possible. Once I have a crew of about 60 I generally target Spanish merchants and resell their sugar, cotton, and rum. If i'm lucky after a few months I get made a Marquis with a few acres of land and then retire.

 

You sail with the French? Cheese loving swine! The Queen's Navy will have a field day with your Privateers.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:26 AM

I have pirated things even if I do believe it's wrong to do it. I've pirated some games (frankly, I prefer to buy them), music (after itunes didn't allow me to download again some songs I had purchased time ago) and some books.

Anyway, it wouldn't bother me if I had to stop doing it.

What piss me off is when people say they have the right to pirate things because the authors of that stuff had already earned plenty of money with it. I had a couple classmates who defended that position. The worst is that they supported Anonymous (who, at least in Spain, released personal private information of people who supported anti-piracy laws) claiming that, basically, were 'fighting' for a fairer world.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:27 AM

I have pirated things even if I do believe it's wrong to do it. I've pirated some games (frankly, I prefer to buy them), music (after itunes didn't allow me to download again some songs I had purchased time ago) and some books.

Anyway, it wouldn't bother me if I had to stop doing it.

What piss me off is when people say they have the right to pirate things because the authors of that stuff had already earned plenty of money with it. I had a couple classmates who defended that position. The worst is that they supported Anonymous (who, at least in Spain, released personal private information of people who supported anti-piracy laws) claiming that, basically, were 'fighting' for a fairer world.

Care to explain why the latter point irks you so much?


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:36 AM

 

I have pirated things even if I do believe it's wrong to do it. I've pirated some games (frankly, I prefer to buy them), music (after itunes didn't allow me to download again some songs I had purchased time ago) and some books.

Anyway, it wouldn't bother me if I had to stop doing it.

What piss me off is when people say they have the right to pirate things because the authors of that stuff had already earned plenty of money with it. I had a couple classmates who defended that position. The worst is that they supported Anonymous (who, at least in Spain, released personal private information of people who supported anti-piracy laws) claiming that, basically, were 'fighting' for a fairer world.

Care to explain why the latter point irks you so much?

 

That would irk me, too. If I held a political view, I wouldn't want my private information to be released because of it.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:37 AM

I think you are clever enough to figure out why.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:40 AM

 

That would irk me, too. If I held a political view, I wouldn't want my private information to be released because of it.

 

 

 

Your private information is already being stored by authorities based on sites you visit, particularly political ones!  At least they do not release it to the public, though.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:43 AM Edited by Vlynor, 13 December 2013 - 01:45 AM.

 

 

That would irk me, too. If I held a political view, I wouldn't want my private information to be released because of it.

 

 

 

Your private information is already being stored by authorities based on sites you visit, particularly political ones!  At least they do not release it to the public, though.

 

 

I'm fine if information is stored and I agree to it, I have a problem, however, if someone breaks into a system and decides to publicize it.

 

Google already knows about my fetishes, I don't need my neighbor knowing too.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:49 AM

How do I feel about Piracy? Well good question.

I don't find pirating wrong, and I don't really care if anybody does it, personally though I don't pirate anymore, yes i've put my sword and patch down in search of something more. The main reason is because I am a bit of an audiophile, I can't stand when my music is of shoddy quality, also when the names are all messed up it's worse because you can't even find your music, and renaming the music only seems to work half the time because different programs seems to categorize things differently. For films, I don't pirate those, because again, I only want the best quality, I spent a long time researching my TV to find one that had the best and truest colours for the price and watch all my films on Blu-Ray or DVD. 

I'm not honestly for "supporting the artist" and all that because I don't really give a f*ck about them, if it's an artist and they enjoy what they do, they'll likely keep doing it anyway, if it's a film, well most films I watch are reasonably popular anyway so it's unlikely they're going put of business, the only industry I do pay to support developer is the gaming industry, good films and good music are a dime a dozen, good games and developers are less common and one major f*ck up by a developer can pretty much put them out of business for good.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:42 AM

  • Do you believe it's theft and should be punished as such?
It's a theft in no f*cking way. Stealing is like me walking into your house and takingk your TV! Now that's taking. Piracy, on the other hand, is like me walking into your house, grabbing your TV and pulling a copy right out of and then walking away. It's blatant tresspassing but I haven't actually stolen anything.
See, a large percentage of people who pirate are going to pirate no matter what the cost, but, well, Gabe Newall has said it best. If you provide better service than the pirates, people will pay you. And this is why sites like, say, steam is so phenomenally popular. Is it morally wrong? No, it's totally a vitimless crime. Have you pirated sh*t before? Yes, I've pirated movies more than the number of time I've masturbated. P.s, I masturbate like two time a day and I don't have a hairy palms yet!
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:52 AM

 

 

  • Do you believe it's theft and should be punished as such?
It's a theft in no f*cking way. Stealing is like me walking into your house and takingk your TV! Now that's taking. Piracy, on the other hand, is like me walking into your house, grabbing your TV and pulling a copy right out of and then walking away. It's blatant tresspassing but I haven't actually stolen anything.
See, a large percentage of people who pirate are going to pirate no matter what the cost, but, well, Gabe Newall has said it best. If you provide better service than the pirates, people will pay you. And this is why sites like, say, steam is so phenomenally popular. Is it morally wrong? No, it's totally a vitimless crime. Have you pirated sh*t before? Yes, I've pirated movies more than the number of time I've masturbated. P.s, I masturbate like two time a day and I don't have a hairy palms yet!

 

 

To say it's a victim-less crime isn't true. While the person who created it isn't deprived of their copy, the creator is deprived of the profits of their creation. I could understand if you weren't going to buy it in the first place, but if you were going to and decided to pirate it instead, you're taking money from the creator. 

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:53 AM

The amount of  "stolen" music files I have could have me in jail for at least 20 life sentences.

 

My problem with piracy is not the pirates themselves, but the measures that are taken to thwart it. I'm not saying that you should make it so anyone can get the product for free, but don't make it so that buying it is more of a hassle than pirating it.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 03:23 AM

To say it's a victim-less crime isn't true. While the person who created it isn't deprived of their copy, the creator is deprived of the profits of their creation. I could understand if you weren't going to buy it in the first place, but if you were going to and decided to pirate it instead, you're taking money from the creator.

No, how so? I wasn't going to buy
what they were selling regardless,
making a copy has no impact on
what they were selling, nor what
they may sell, nor what they have
sold. It's absurd, does walking past a man selling fruit on the street become a crime because I didn't buy anything of his, I mean the situation is pretty much the exact same.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 03:25 AM

 

To say it's a victim-less crime isn't true. While the person who created it isn't deprived of their copy, the creator is deprived of the profits of their creation. I could understand if you weren't going to buy it in the first place, but if you were going to and decided to pirate it instead, you're taking money from the creator.

No, how so? I wasn't going to buy
what they were selling regardless,
making a copy has no impact on
what they were selling, nor what
they may sell, nor what they have
sold. It's absurd, does walking past a man selling fruit on the street become a crime because I didn't buy anything of his, I mean the situation is pretty much the exact same.

 

 

Which is why I said:

 

 

 

but if you were going to [buy it] and decided to pirate it instead, you're taking money from the creator. 

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 05:50 AM

  • What is your opinion on internet piracy?
  • Do you believe it's theft and should be punished as such?
  • Is it morally wrong?
  • Have you ever done it before? (Music, Movies, Games, etc.)

 

  • Piracy never was good firstly. It's very subjective since there are quite few usefulness of piracy as well. A simple one to name, old games are still possible to play thanks to torrents hosting them. 
  • Yes. It should. I won't like to see my stuff in the torrents that cause bad credit to my name and efforts in the eyes of the end consumers who pay for it. Money is equally important to survive in this competitive world and any hurdles thrown by pirates who are responsible for taking the free share of my hard work in any sense are NOT tolerable. YES, at the same time taking advantage of them because a game is rare to find and download makes no sense either. As i said it's very subjective. Either you don't use their services at all or just don't complain if it affects you in good/bad way!
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 06:22 AM

I believe this image represents my feelings towards piracy pretty well-

 

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It's like someone stealing your car only for you to go out to your driveway and it still be there. Piracy is sharing, with a twist.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 06:29 AM

I view piracy as morally neutral as most forms of IP aren't valid forms of property in the first place, therefore meaning that the act of piracy doesn't constitute theft (morally speaking). I think it's in good taste to donate money to people who put out work you like, though. Big fan of things like Kickstarter for that reason.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:22 AM

It is stealing, end of story. 
Lol, seriously, I don't understand how people can trick themselves into believing something else. It is just to ease their own conscious.
 
That being said, I do it. I'm not proud of it, I have worked with movies myself and my teacher at school is an oscar-winning sound effects guy. I know how much work it is and I feel ashamed of doing it. But I live in Norway and to get the new series right away is difficult. I usually buy them when they come out though.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:31 AM Edited by headmetalbanger, 13 December 2013 - 09:29 AM.

Piracy is alive since old times when people record songs from the radio and exchanges made (home taping).

 

So, since some years is a benefit download stuff by many reasons because many artists say this in each interview I've read or seen.

 

- Some people listen or see your stuff and if they like them buy it, on the contrary some selfish people don't buy nothing, but too some people don't have money by many good reasons.

 

- Some stuff are in high prices and not are easy find them because are limited or out of print (hard collectors).

 

- Not all music, movies or wathever are available in social networks in good quality.

 

- Artists (music) gain more in concerts than physical material.

 

In my opinion is a good thing because you can discover lots of new music, movies, etc. I download stuff, but since some years I buy from eBay or online sites from my country.

 

@GrandMaster Smith share is when you pay for something and if you 'rip' this and if you don't make money is not piracy.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:44 AM

Until we have a Socialist One World Order piracy is bad for the economy, the artist, and the people who work to present it to the general public.

 

It would be interesting to see if a company will be brought down by overzealous pirates. As a form of parasite,  it is a matter of time for the pirates to kill a source.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:54 AM

@GrandMaster Smith share is when you pay for something and if you 'rip' this and if you don't make money is not piracy.

 

 

What..?

 

 

 

Do you consider recording songs off the radio onto a cassette taping stealing? What about recording a T.V. program onto VHS tape and letting your friend borrow it?


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:23 AM Edited by headmetalbanger, 13 December 2013 - 09:29 AM.

Edited above.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:33 AM Edited by F4L?, 13 December 2013 - 09:33 AM.

 

It is stealing, end of story. 
Lol, seriously, I don't understand how people can trick themselves into believing something else. It is just to ease their own conscious.
 

 

I already explained that I do not pirate anything, however looking at this objectively, can you please explain how it is the same as stealing? Stealing would be taking the song away from the artist so they no longer have possession of it. Piracy is making a copy for your own use.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:46 AM Edited by BuyMeTheMoon, 13 December 2013 - 09:46 AM.

 

 

It is stealing, end of story. 
Lol, seriously, I don't understand how people can trick themselves into believing something else. It is just to ease their own conscious.

I already explained that I do not pirate anything, however looking at this objectively, can you please explain how it is the same as stealing? Stealing would be taking the song away from the artist so they no longer have possession of it. Piracy is making a copy for your own use.

That is a ridiculous argument. Do you thing that just because you don't take it physically away, it can be excused? Get your head out of your ass.

Do you know what the copyright law is? Maybe you should look it up.

Movies, music and video games takes a lot of time and money to create. They create it, because people will buy it. If everyone just download it.. What do the producers have left? Do you know what piracy can do to this industry? It can totally destroy it. They are depending on money you spend buying the film, to be able to create products in the future. 

 

I believe a lot of peoples opinions of this would be a whole lot different if they ever got to be a part of making a movie or a video game. It's insane how people just excuse themselves and trick themselves into thinking piracy is just fine, and don't even care at all about how much work and money it takes to make a movie. 

 


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:53 AM Edited by F4L?, 13 December 2013 - 09:54 AM.

 

 

 

It is stealing, end of story. 
Lol, seriously, I don't understand how people can trick themselves into believing something else. It is just to ease their own conscious.

I already explained that I do not pirate anything, however looking at this objectively, can you please explain how it is the same as stealing? Stealing would be taking the song away from the artist so they no longer have possession of it. Piracy is making a copy for your own use.

That is a ridiculous argument. Do you thing that just because you don't take it physically away, it can be excused? Get your head out of your ass.

Do you know what the copyright law is? Maybe you should look it up.

Movies, music and video games takes a lot of time and money to create. They create it, because people will buy it. If everyone just download it.. What do the producers have left? Do you know what piracy can do to this industry? It can totally destroy it. They are depending on money you spend buying the film, to be able to create products in the future. 

 

I believe a lot of peoples opinions of this would be a whole lot different if they ever got to be a part of making a movie or a video game. It's insane how people just excuse themselves and trick themselves into thinking piracy is just fine, and don't even care at all about how much work and money it takes to make a movie. 

 

 

I understand all of that, hence why I do not pirate, so I am pretty sure my head is not lodged in my ass, nor has it ever been there, concerning this debate at least, I think you should read my post more clearly.

I didn't ask you if it was right or wrong, I was asking how it is the same as stealing when someone isn't physically removing the item from someone else and that someone else isn't incurring overhead losses for the goods.

I understand that if someone chooses to get it for free, rather than paying for it, that isn't necessarily right.
I was curious though, If someone pirates something, but they wouldn't pay for it even if that meant they couldn't use the item, does that make it wrong in any way? Either way nobody is getting money, but at least in this scenario someone's work is being appreciated and someone is gaining enjoyment, if anything the content creator is benefiting because it's free word-of-mouth advertisement which is one of the most effective forms of advertisement in many instances. Text colour added to distinguish between quotes more easily.





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