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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:42 PM

 

It really does amaze me just how little attention people pay to the quality of sources they use to substantiate arguments. I mean I get the whole not knowing what the Daily Express is, but missing the entire massive caveat on the end basically saying "yep this is sh*t" is kind of a giveaway.

 

Russia today is a good source, right?

 

http://rt.com/news/u...rveillance-939/

 

UK has cameras in school bathrooms and change rooms. Thats not invasion of privacy or anything, thats not having your naked kids watched by random adults with questionable intentions... is it?

 

I didnt read the Wired article, its a known news story that was widely published, RT ran a segment on it that I cant find.. being its 5 years old.

 

They have flags banned in the UK, they punish football clubs for singing songs. Its an authoritarian nanny state which sticks its nose as far as it can up the asses of every private citizen.You can easily be charged just for voicing your opinion.. It is not a free society, nor is the US.

 

I don't know if you're being sarcastic asking if Russia Today is a good source.

 

I'd expect an IRA sympathiser to be less inclined to read right wing blogs, but I guess it takes all kinds.

 

5 years old is not too long for there to be no articles for a topic like that and believe me I looked for any other aticles on that thing and there were none, bar David Icke's forum.

 

Government actions are a thing to be concerned about, but clinging to topics about vague ideas of 'Orwellian' surveillance posited by right wing blogs doesn't help the issue, if anything it makes it worse.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:55 PM Edited by biggsull, 10 December 2013 - 07:56 PM.

LeninThe best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.

 

Thats Icke for ya... and Alex Jones who runs prison planet... and Glenn Beck. They are used to make factual things look ridiculous... Some of what they say is actually true you know.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:04 PM

 

LeninThe best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.

 

Thats Icke for ya... and Alex Jones who runs prison planet... and Glenn Beck. They are used to make factual things look ridiculous... Some of what they say is actually true you know.

 

Wow, this guy just conspiracied the conspiracy theorists.

 

Look, blindly believing any conspiracy because it happens to oppose official lines is worse than blindly following what the mainstream media and the government is saying. For the love of god research the sh*t you see posted on websites with obvious political biases and no sources. It's not that difficult to do.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:07 PM

Yeah, Russia Today are basically the biggest distributors of 9/11 conspiracy theories in the world. They also claimed that the US used tactical nuclear weapons in Iraq, and that they also developed weapons to give Latin American leaders cancer. They give nutters like Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura the role of "experts" despite them seldom having any authority on the subject. They pander to Russian ultra-nationalism and Produce anti-gay propaganda. They're the corrupt mouthpiece of the Russian government and therefore about as far from a "good source" as you can possibly get.

As for the rest of your post, it's almost entirely bilge. You won't get arrested or charged for having the flag of anything other than a proscribed terrorist group on display in public. I don't know what hacker you're referring to and as a security professional that suggests it probably only exists in your imagination. You've also claimed that something that was clearly caveated with a disclaimer saying "we were wrong" is factual. You are to put it bluntly utterly full of sh*t.

You see, as a fierce and staunch supporter of Irish republicanism and no doubt a armchair wannabe Óglaigh na hÉireann member I was at least expecting you to have the first f*cking clue about the UK but it's abundantly clear from your response that you have absolutely no familiarity with the country to speak of. So I suggest you refrain from voicing your opinions until you have something more fundamental to support them.

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:14 PM Edited by Nale Dixon, 10 December 2013 - 08:16 PM.

 

It really does amaze me just how little attention people pay to the quality of sources they use to substantiate arguments. I mean I get the whole not knowing what the Daily Express is, but missing the entire massive caveat on the end basically saying "yep this is sh*t" is kind of a giveaway.

 

Russia today is a good source, right?

 

http://rt.com/news/u...rveillance-939/

 

UK has cameras in school bathrooms and change rooms. Thats not invasion of privacy or anything, thats not having your naked kids watched by random adults with questionable intentions... is it?

 

I didnt read the Wired article, its a known news story that was widely published, RT ran a segment on it that I cant find.. being its 5 years old.

 

They have flags banned in the UK, they punish football clubs for singing songs. Its an authoritarian nanny state which sticks its nose as far as it can up the asses of every private citizen.You can easily be charged just for voicing your opinion.. It is not a free society, nor is the US.

 

If I lived in the UK and put the blue starry plough flag up as my avatar, I could be charged for it.For a flag representing an ideal of Ireland controlling its destiny from the plough to the stars.

 

When a person does something the government doesnt like in the UK, they make a rule up for it if one doesnt exist... Like that hacker from a few years back who had a website they didnt like but was breaking no laws, they just made one up for him.

 

 

Also.. because this is much better than just putting cameras in their home:
 

 

. the scheme can take the most troublesome families out of their homes and move them, temporarily, to a neutral, government-run compound. Here they will be under 24-hour supervision. CCTV cameras are not specifically mentioned, not are they denied, but 24-hour “supervision” certainly doesn’t rule this out from the camera-loving Brits.

 

 

Oh okay, so taking people out of their homes without having broken any laws, forcing them into a government run facility and watching them 24/7 is totally cool? Thats even worse bro.

 

Thats one step away from government raised children who arent told about the world by their parents, that is the next step you realize.

 

The caveat is because Wired took a massive amount of heat for that, being they are a huge publication and it was factual... no doubt the UK government sh*t a brick at being sussed.

 

 

Its a 5 year old story, ofcourse the articles arent bursting off the front page... think how many stories are related to the UK and CCTV's. Theres a f*cking ton of them because its a big deal.Wired is a reputable magazine, as reputable as say rolling stone or time. If not more reputable considering the latter 2 showing their being controlled opposition over the last decade.

 

Woah woah woah wait.

 

You think Time magazine and Rolling Stone are 'reputable' political news outlets?

 

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

 

I also don't know what the f*ck you're talking about the UK banning flags for or where you got this idea.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:31 PM

Yeah, Russia Today are basically the biggest distributors of 9/11 conspiracy theories in the world. They also claimed that the US used tactical nuclear weapons in Iraq, and that they also developed weapons to give Latin American leaders cancer. They give nutters like Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura the role of "experts" despite them seldom having any authority on the subject. They pander to Russian ultra-nationalism and Produce anti-gay propaganda. They're the corrupt mouthpiece of the Russian government and therefore about as far from a "good source" as you can possibly get.

They're apparently big on the Zeitgeist movement as well. They consulted the creator on solutions for the current recession.

 


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:31 PM

Who are those Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura who lately I've heard mentioned in every debate of the forum, some kind of extreme right wing conspiracy nuts?


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:36 PM Edited by Nale Dixon, 10 December 2013 - 08:39 PM.

Who are those Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura who lately I've heard mentioned in every debate of the forum, some kind of extreme right wing conspiracy nuts?

 

They're fear merchants of the highest order and make serious bank off of it.

 

Alex Jones doesn't really do this any more because he gets more money from subscriptions, but four or five years ago he used to end his segments with 'and you can find out more about Xinsert conspiracy hereX if you buy my DVD for $19.99' which always made me laugh.

 

I'd say they are right wing conspiracy nuts, but that would suggest I believe they have any conviction in what they say. I will admit Alex Jones at least is entertaining.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 08:38 PM

Who are those Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura...some kind of extreme right wing conspiracy nuts?


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 09:08 PM

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 09:34 PM

Seems like a great guy to have a civilized conversation with.

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:00 PM

He also suggested that Piers Morgan should be ejected from the United States for expressing an opinion on firearm control that differed to his own. I'm no authority on the US constitution, but I'm pretty sure that contradicts basically everything it stands for.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:05 PM

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:22 PM Edited by niko bellic half brother, 10 December 2013 - 10:27 PM.

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentary of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

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Speaking of Andrew Neil; he's one of the few last decent political commentators left at the BBC. Paxman could certainly learn a thing or two from him.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:24 PM

 

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.

 

 

You will not stop freedom, bro.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:27 PM Edited by haythem09, 10 December 2013 - 10:28 PM.

I can just imagine it.

 

"Hi dude"

"Hi"

"F*ck the US, don't you agree it just needs a bomb to sort it out?"

"Yeah I guess so"

 

*NSA informant leaves, man gets tracked down, interrogated, tortured, and beaten by sadists until he admits he's a terrorist*


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:33 PM

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentaries of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

 

I've gotta side with you here, he's just as much of a muppet as the likes of Alex Jones. Probably closer to actual reality (albeit not by much, most of An Inconvenient Truth is refuted even by the scientists who most adamantly support the idea of human-induced, apocalyptic global warming, plus most of the statistics used in it have been debunked), but just as much of a muppet. As a side note, "wingnut" generally refers to the far right- the term for the far-left nutters is usually "moonbat". That said, neither Michael Moore nor basically anyone else in the history of US politics is actually left wing in any way, shape or form. 


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:50 PM

 

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.

 

 

Andrew Neil stated that as soon as Alex Jones was told the cameras were off he stopped ranting had a huge grin and said how great the show went.

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentary of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

@whatsstrength

 

Speaking of Andrew Neil; he's one of the few last decent political commentators left at the BBC. Paxman could certainly learn a thing or two from him.

Hahahahahahahaha far left. Oh my god far left. I don't particularly care for Michael Moore, but if he is 'extreme left' then Alex Jones is a moderate liberal.

 

Andrew Neil is one of the only Political commentators on the BBC. Having said that he is no better or worse than the majority of newscasters of the BBC, but your labeling of Michael Moore as 'extreme left' probably betrays your political views.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:54 PM

First we made the Wheel

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:57 PM Edited by Nale Dixon, 10 December 2013 - 10:58 PM.

^ lol

 

 

Edit: I suppose it's fitting that my 420th post (this one) was in relation to the guy above me.

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 10:58 PM

 

 

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.

 

 

Andrew Neil stated that as soon as Alex Jones was told the cameras were off he stopped ranting had a huge grin and said how great the show went.

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentary of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

@whatsstrength

 

Speaking of Andrew Neil; he's one of the few last decent political commentators left at the BBC. Paxman could certainly learn a thing or two from him.

Hahahahahahahaha far left. Oh my god far left. I don't particularly care for Michael Moore, but if he is 'extreme left' then Alex Jones is a moderate liberal.

 

Andrew Neil is one of the only Political commentators on the BBC. Having said that he is no better or worse than the majority of newscasters of the BBC, but your labeling of Michael Moore as 'extreme left' probably betrays your political views.

 

 

I think most Americans would consider him (Michael Moore) farther left than the majority of Democrats and extremely far-left compared to the whole of the modern Republican party. In Europe and other parts of the world, he may be considered a moderate or center-left, or whatever they'd like to call him, but where he's from he is generally considered farther left than most Americans.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 11:02 PM Edited by Nale Dixon, 10 December 2013 - 11:03 PM.

 

 

 

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.

 

 

Andrew Neil stated that as soon as Alex Jones was told the cameras were off he stopped ranting had a huge grin and said how great the show went.

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentary of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

@whatsstrength

 

Speaking of Andrew Neil; he's one of the few last decent political commentators left at the BBC. Paxman could certainly learn a thing or two from him.

Hahahahahahahaha far left. Oh my god far left. I don't particularly care for Michael Moore, but if he is 'extreme left' then Alex Jones is a moderate liberal.

 

Andrew Neil is one of the only Political commentators on the BBC. Having said that he is no better or worse than the majority of newscasters of the BBC, but your labeling of Michael Moore as 'extreme left' probably betrays your political views.

 

 

I think most Americans would consider him (Michael Moore) farther left than the majority of Democrats and extremely far-left compared to the whole of the modern Republican party. In Europe and other parts of the world, he may be considered a moderate or center-left, or whatever they'd like to call him, but where he's from he is generally considered farther left than most Americans.

 

The lack of political education or perspective in America isn't my fault or problem bro.

 

I really hope we can continue this quote chain as long as possible.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 11:03 PM

 

 

 

 

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.

 

 

Andrew Neil stated that as soon as Alex Jones was told the cameras were off he stopped ranting had a huge grin and said how great the show went.

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentary of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

@whatsstrength

 

Speaking of Andrew Neil; he's one of the few last decent political commentators left at the BBC. Paxman could certainly learn a thing or two from him.

Hahahahahahahaha far left. Oh my god far left. I don't particularly care for Michael Moore, but if he is 'extreme left' then Alex Jones is a moderate liberal.

 

Andrew Neil is one of the only Political commentators on the BBC. Having said that he is no better or worse than the majority of newscasters of the BBC, but your labeling of Michael Moore as 'extreme left' probably betrays your political views.

 

 

I think most Americans would consider him (Michael Moore) farther left than the majority of Democrats and extremely far-left compared to the whole of the modern Republican party. In Europe and other parts of the world, he may be considered a moderate or center-left, or whatever they'd like to call him, but where he's from he is generally considered farther left than most Americans.

 

The lack of political education or perspective in America isn't my fault or problem bro.

 

 

Not saying it is, but you have to put it in perspective of the country you're talking about.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 11:05 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.

 

 

Andrew Neil stated that as soon as Alex Jones was told the cameras were off he stopped ranting had a huge grin and said how great the show went.

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentary of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

@whatsstrength

 

Speaking of Andrew Neil; he's one of the few last decent political commentators left at the BBC. Paxman could certainly learn a thing or two from him.

Hahahahahahahaha far left. Oh my god far left. I don't particularly care for Michael Moore, but if he is 'extreme left' then Alex Jones is a moderate liberal.

 

Andrew Neil is one of the only Political commentators on the BBC. Having said that he is no better or worse than the majority of newscasters of the BBC, but your labeling of Michael Moore as 'extreme left' probably betrays your political views.

 

 

I think most Americans would consider him (Michael Moore) farther left than the majority of Democrats and extremely far-left compared to the whole of the modern Republican party. In Europe and other parts of the world, he may be considered a moderate or center-left, or whatever they'd like to call him, but where he's from he is generally considered farther left than most Americans.

 

The lack of political education or perspective in America isn't my fault or problem bro.

 

 

Not saying it is, but you have to put it in perspective of the country you're talking about.

 

Well to an extent you do, but it's silly to anyone with a passing knowledge of political history to call Michael Moore extreme left. If Michael Moore is Extreme Left then Ralph Nader or the Green Party are off the charts. Literally. Besides I don't even think 'Niko bellic half brother' is American.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 11:08 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.

 

 

Andrew Neil stated that as soon as Alex Jones was told the cameras were off he stopped ranting had a huge grin and said how great the show went.

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentary of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

@whatsstrength

 

Speaking of Andrew Neil; he's one of the few last decent political commentators left at the BBC. Paxman could certainly learn a thing or two from him.

Hahahahahahahaha far left. Oh my god far left. I don't particularly care for Michael Moore, but if he is 'extreme left' then Alex Jones is a moderate liberal.

 

Andrew Neil is one of the only Political commentators on the BBC. Having said that he is no better or worse than the majority of newscasters of the BBC, but your labeling of Michael Moore as 'extreme left' probably betrays your political views.

 

 

I think most Americans would consider him (Michael Moore) farther left than the majority of Democrats and extremely far-left compared to the whole of the modern Republican party. In Europe and other parts of the world, he may be considered a moderate or center-left, or whatever they'd like to call him, but where he's from he is generally considered farther left than most Americans.

 

The lack of political education or perspective in America isn't my fault or problem bro.

 

 

Not saying it is, but you have to put it in perspective of the country you're talking about.

 

Well to an extent you do, but it's silly to anyone with a passing knowledge of political history to call Michael Moore extreme left. If Michael Moore is Extreme Left then Ralph Nader or the Green Party are off the charts. Literally. Besides I don't even think 'Niko bellic half brother' is American.

 

 

I think he's a Scot. And I'm not sure where he'd be in comparison to the Green Party or Nader.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 11:10 PM Edited by Nale Dixon, 10 December 2013 - 11:13 PM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.

 

 

Andrew Neil stated that as soon as Alex Jones was told the cameras were off he stopped ranting had a huge grin and said how great the show went.

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentary of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

@whatsstrength

 

Speaking of Andrew Neil; he's one of the few last decent political commentators left at the BBC. Paxman could certainly learn a thing or two from him.

Hahahahahahahaha far left. Oh my god far left. I don't particularly care for Michael Moore, but if he is 'extreme left' then Alex Jones is a moderate liberal.

 

Andrew Neil is one of the only Political commentators on the BBC. Having said that he is no better or worse than the majority of newscasters of the BBC, but your labeling of Michael Moore as 'extreme left' probably betrays your political views.

 

 

I think most Americans would consider him (Michael Moore) farther left than the majority of Democrats and extremely far-left compared to the whole of the modern Republican party. In Europe and other parts of the world, he may be considered a moderate or center-left, or whatever they'd like to call him, but where he's from he is generally considered farther left than most Americans.

 

The lack of political education or perspective in America isn't my fault or problem bro.

 

 

Not saying it is, but you have to put it in perspective of the country you're talking about.

 

Well to an extent you do, but it's silly to anyone with a passing knowledge of political history to call Michael Moore extreme left. If Michael Moore is Extreme Left then Ralph Nader or the Green Party are off the charts. Literally. Besides I don't even think 'Niko bellic half brother' is American.

 

 

I think he's a Scot. And I'm not sure where he'd be in comparison to the Green Party or Nader.

 

Who Michael Moore? well If we lived in Reverse land and Green Party/Nader was the mainstream politics THE WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION =)

 

 

But Michael Moore would be quite right wing comparatively.

 

Oh and if NBHB is Scottish then there's no excuse, Scotland is politically pretty left wing, even compared to the apparent socialist paradise that is England.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 11:27 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alex Jones is particularly entertaining because he spends half his time ranting about "Socialism" and European politics, how all Brits are subject to constant surveillance and other such extreme right wingnut crap, and how this is all part of a grand conspiracy to create a one-world government, and spends the other half of the time extolling the virtues of this strange pseudo-libertarian, pseudo-corporatist ideology that pulls influence from basically everything he decries. He's also, by proxy, a closet anti-Semite given that he's spent the best part of his life championing a twisted re-interpretations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I know I've posted this before, but it's relevant at the moment. 

 

 

The guy has no idea how to behave like a civilized adult and starts shouting random obscenities and theories in the last minute.

 

 

Andrew Neil stated that as soon as Alex Jones was told the cameras were off he stopped ranting had a huge grin and said how great the show went.

Let us not forget, nor overlook, one of the most prominent figures to (ironically and hypocritically) capitalise quite substantially on his opportunistic nonsense with probably the most well known and highest-grossing conspiracy documentary of all time, as well as other manipulating workings - that far left wingnut imbecile known as Michael Moore. But he receives a Palme d'Or for his tripe.

 

@whatsstrength

 

Speaking of Andrew Neil; he's one of the few last decent political commentators left at the BBC. Paxman could certainly learn a thing or two from him.

Hahahahahahahaha far left. Oh my god far left. I don't particularly care for Michael Moore, but if he is 'extreme left' then Alex Jones is a moderate liberal.

 

Andrew Neil is one of the only Political commentators on the BBC. Having said that he is no better or worse than the majority of newscasters of the BBC, but your labeling of Michael Moore as 'extreme left' probably betrays your political views.

 

 

I think most Americans would consider him (Michael Moore) farther left than the majority of Democrats and extremely far-left compared to the whole of the modern Republican party. In Europe and other parts of the world, he may be considered a moderate or center-left, or whatever they'd like to call him, but where he's from he is generally considered farther left than most Americans.

 

The lack of political education or perspective in America isn't my fault or problem bro.

 

 

Not saying it is, but you have to put it in perspective of the country you're talking about.

 

Well to an extent you do, but it's silly to anyone with a passing knowledge of political history to call Michael Moore extreme left. If Michael Moore is Extreme Left then Ralph Nader or the Green Party are off the charts. Literally. Besides I don't even think 'Niko bellic half brother' is American.

 

 

I think he's a Scot. And I'm not sure where he'd be in comparison to the Green Party or Nader.

 

Who Michael Moore? well If we lived in Reverse land and Green Party/Nader was the mainstream politics THE WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION =)

 

 

But Michael Moore would be quite right wing comparatively.

 

Oh and if NBHB is Scottish then there's no excuse, Scotland is politically pretty left wing, even compared to the apparent socialist paradise that is England.

 

 

I couldn't tell if the caps-lock was used to convey sarcasm or not.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:23 AM Edited by niko bellic half brother, 11 December 2013 - 03:29 AM.

Jesus, quite the quote train Grand Central going on here. Normally I try to avoid these types of debates around here, but I chimed in, so I guess I have somewhat of a duty to further contribute.

@sivis

So where exactly would you place Mr Moore on the political spectrum? Before you answer, please bear in mind I'm speaking about what he claims to fight for, not what his initial, greedy intentions may be. If we're going to label every other money-grubbing conspiracy feeding opportunist as right wing for accommodating anti-socialist views to boost their own personal income, then I'm sure the same can be applied to those who use pro-socialist views for their own financial gain at the expense of their naive, paying followers.

*Please note: I'm not trying to defend the bilge that is US right wing politics, but rather trying to acknowledge that it works both ways when it comes to heated propaganda from certain individuals who are seen in trustworthy high regard by large pertained demographic's.

@Nale Dixon

After reading your preliminary retorts to my post, I was in the process of composing a fairly thought out response. But then I stumbled upon your claim that Moore and his apparant beliefs are considered right wing; after which point I could no longer take you seriously as a middle-man, unbiased contributor on the matter. And you further harmed your credentials by saying that because I'm Scottish - where I agree that the majority of my compatriots have predominantly voted a "left wing" party in Labour these past few years (barring the unfortunate rise in popularity for the SNP) - somehow renders me, as a Scot, having "no excuse", as you so prudishly put it, or in essence constituting me being exempt of establishing my own personal opinions without majority influence.

Also, I don't even want to ask where you got your allegation of Mr Neil from.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:28 AM

Moore is a self described "liberal". Alex Jones is a complete f*cking psychopath*. A more apt comparison would be Sean Hannity, if anyone.



* or at least he plays one on TV.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:44 AM Edited by biggsull, 11 December 2013 - 04:57 AM.

Its all controlled opposition, even I wont listen to alex jones for the bits of truth, he used to work for the CIA and admits it... his entire purpose is to be such a raving lunatic that what he says sounds ridiculous too. He ripped piers apart on gun control.. and yet looked like a total retard at the same time.

 

 

Yeah, Russia Today are basically the biggest distributors of 9/11 conspiracy theories in the world. They also claimed that the US used tactical nuclear weapons in Iraq, and that they also developed weapons to give Latin American leaders cancer. They give nutters like Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura the role of "experts" despite them seldom having any authority on the subject. They pander to Russian ultra-nationalism and Produce anti-gay propaganda. They're the corrupt mouthpiece of the Russian government and therefore about as far from a "good source" as you can possibly get.

As for the rest of your post, it's almost entirely bilge. You won't get arrested or charged for having the flag of anything other than a proscribed terrorist group on display in public. I don't know what hacker you're referring to and as a security professional that suggests it probably only exists in your imagination. You've also claimed that something that was clearly caveated with a disclaimer saying "we were wrong" is factual. You are to put it bluntly utterly full of sh*t.

You see, as a fierce and staunch supporter of Irish republicanism and no doubt a armchair wannabe Óglaigh na hÉireann member I was at least expecting you to have the first f*cking clue about the UK but it's abundantly clear from your response that you have absolutely no familiarity with the country to speak of. So I suggest you refrain from voicing your opinions until you have something more fundamental to support them.

 

RT reports the real news, even if they are bias...and possibly controlled OP too, considering retarded stances like Tom Hartman has on gun control and that Abbey Martin girl being sucked into a bunch of horsesh*t from the odd guest.

 

While all other news are reporting on weather and some stupid girls murder case, RT talks about Syria and Libya and the EU, about things like the TPP and NDAA, they point out amazing abuses of peoples rights and how the US and EU in general are going down the toilet. Obviously they have bias views but they dont just spew bullsh*t.

 

The 911 official story is bullsh*t and only believed by less than 20% of North America as 4 different combined polls, 1 from Canada have shown. They dont have to know the real story, they dont have to assume its the government.. Its just not possible the way the official story has it. Anyone who thinks tower 7 could freefall into its own footprint from tinders off the other buildings coming in through a broken window, within a very short time, without fire through the building or anything.. is living in lala land... It was a demolition, if you do some research and find videos of people directly after it happened, they all talk about a series of blasts "boom boom boom boom boom" and about how there was a huge explosion right before each tower fell, about the lobbies being blown up and such.. so yea, if you believe the official story.. Id just write you off there.

 

As for tactical nukes, who knows its possible, I dont know either way.. what I do know is that the ground is so irradiated that its uninhabitable in iraq and afganistan, that all their babies are growing up with birth defects from the depleted uranium rounds and such.. that they used white phosphorus which is a chemical weapon, on urban populated areas in the battle of fallujah and other..

 

They have biases like I said, in their views.. the news isnt made up, it just has a pro russian anti american spin. Its a refreshing change from US media... if you can even call it that.

 

Anti gay? They banned the promotion of the gay lifestyle on daytime TV to children who havent even hit puberty, good, nothing wrong with that.. then the west plays it like being gay in russia is illegal, that the athletes cant go to the olympics because the gay ones would be arrested.. absolute BS. If anything it has to do with their shrinking population, thats dangerous when youre russia.

 

Saudi Arabia you can die for being gay, major US and UK ally. No news about that, women cant drive, no news there.. you cant even enter the country without an invite.. like.. North Korea.

 

The starry plough is banned under anti terrorism laws, inferring its glorifying terrorism even though it merely stands for what I said above.(Fun fact, the US declassified the IRA as a terrorist group, only recognizing certain splinters. They did this before they pulled Mandela off as a terrorist, which was in 2008.)

 

 

you've also claimed that something that was clearly caveated with a disclaimer saying "we were wrong" is factual. You are to put it bluntly utterly full of sh*t.

 

Ignoring the part about families being forcibly moved out of their houses without having anything done, to a government run facility to live under constant surveillance being worse than just cameras in your home. Never replied what I said, just focused on lesser sub points which were pretty much irrelevant. Lets trash Michael Moore, a total idiot, for an entire page.

 

As for the guy arrested for a crime that didnt even exist, I cant find the articles but Im guessing it was in relation to those hacking tool laws, where you could make a website to give others the ability to hack without actually hacking anything. It was something about he had a website but he wasnt actually breaking the law himself.

 

clear from your response that you have absolutely no familiarity with the country to speak of

 

 

No u.

 

Butthurt because your countries government is as corrupt as anyone else.. you're taking things pretty personally there chief, mighty defensive.. I think you know it's as bad as Im saying.. Russia is the worlds moral leader, the one saying dont f*ck around with other peoples business. Its a sad state when people look to Russia for the position the US used to have.

 

Jesse Ventura was elected governor, they dont just let any retard off the street in there.. although Im pretty sure hes controlled opposition too.

 

 

At the peak of Ron Pauls campaign last election, he was polling ahead of Mitt Romney AND Obama.. as soon as the guy gets ahead of both of them, when it's shown he could actually take the entire presidency.. due to grass roots individuals going through the process to become super delegates and such( he was going to be forced in.).. what does he do?

 

He answers a question on 911, he suggests that 911 truthers should go "eat paint chips and watch alex jones"

 

For Ron Paul, that was political suicide as far as that election.. an extremely large percentage of his base are 911 truthers or people who simply dont believe the official story. That was the end of his chances. Guys a mason, his grandfather was a mason, his girls are rainbow girls. Hes controlled opposition.

 

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