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#1

Posted 29 November 2013 - 08:23 PM

But can Moderators please post on a thread before locking it. With at least saying why the threads were locked, I've been seeing this a lot in the GTA Online section where a moderator would lock it, and you don't know who locked it or why it was locked. Meaning you don't even know if it was against rules, or how you can make better threads (so it doesn't get locked).


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 08:30 PM

I do actually quite like the sounds of this, as constructive criticism to the OP. Three ways I could suggest this happening:

 

* Maybe some 'Reason for Locking' field a mod has to fill in when locking topics, and then like the member logs on the old forum, an automatic PM can then get sent to the OP with the reason or just have it 

 

* Moderators simply make the final post and write why it's locked

 

* A' Reason for Locking' field a mod has to fill in when locking topics, the reason will get displayed by the 'This Topic is Locked' Badge


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 09:20 PM

Most of times, they lock because there are already similar threads made. Some admins are replying before locking, others should do that as well.


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Posted 30 November 2013 - 01:37 AM

I like the idea. There are times you don't even know why some thread has been closed, tbh.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 06:34 AM Edited by Shoumic, 30 November 2013 - 11:16 AM.



* Moderators simply make the final post and write why it's locked

This basically, there have been times where topics have been locked for reasons even I don't know. I'm well aware that topics may have been locked for a proper reason but I may not be aware that there is another similar topic to it or what not etc.. It would be great if a moderator were to close the topic after mentioning why the topic was locked. 

 

Several members are new and they don't even know how to navigate around the forum so if a topic is locked since there is a similar topic for example, it leaves the OP clueless of why there their topic got locked because they don't feel they did anything wrong. 

 

Basically, it can't hurt to spend a minute writing why the topic was locked. 


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Posted 30 November 2013 - 07:41 AM

I think you'll find most of the time threads locked without explanation are kind of self explanatory. Like if the OP has asked a question and it's been answered I don't think it really needs a final word. Though sometimes I still do anyway.

 

In saying that I see where you're coming from. The only time I typically close threads without making a post is when things have picked up and trying to deal with a spammer or something.

 

Maybe we could add a mechanism that we have to leave a note before locking?


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Posted 30 November 2013 - 12:28 PM

Sometimes I'm confused myself why some things are locked to leaving a note is a good idea.

 

That said, sometimes you just don't want to bump a topic for the sake of explaining why it's getting locked.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 04:36 PM

That said, sometimes you just don't want to bump a topic for the sake of explaining why it's getting locked.

Since the topic is locked it would eventually sink down again, I don't think it's much of a problem really unless the section is very very inactive. Maybe a setting could be implemented where if a Moderator posts, it doesn't bump the topic, if that's a problem to begin with. 


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Posted 30 November 2013 - 06:58 PM Edited by Gray Wolf, 30 November 2013 - 06:59 PM.

Sometimes I'm confused myself why some things are locked to leaving a note is a good idea.
 
That said, sometimes you just don't want to bump a topic for the sake of explaining why it's getting locked.

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Also I don't see any reason why members should really know about topics being locked and like SonOfLiberty said, most of the time it's quite obvious why threads get locked and with all the spam topics we have/did have it would require more time to deal with writing out notes why it was locked so in some ways it's good for such a feature/thing to do and in others it's more efficient to simply lock and move on. That way the staff don't have to spend all day working out what they want to write out before locking the topic and move on with their duties.

That said I see no need in wasting the extra time for a "reason for locking" feature although some mods as we know do post something (Not always a helpful note) but some do :^:

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 07:48 PM

That way the staff don't have to spend all day working out what they want to write out before locking the topic and move on with their duties.

All day? It takes less than a minute to state why a topic has been locked so think before you post. 

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:45 AM

It might not even have to be a post, it could be an explanation box that requires a short sentence to reasoning or perhaps a List Box with Several Reason ("OP Request Lock", "Excessive Spam", "Posted in Wrong Section", "Other", etc) and when a user rolls over the Padlock Icon the reason would pop up in a little display kinda like how it is when we roll over a users name and it displays some info.

 

It may take a little to implement but it is probably the best way suggested thus far for a system.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 02:49 PM

I didn't read this but if it's a topic suggesting members to be moderators then I suggest me.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:07 PM Edited by Gray Wolf, 01 December 2013 - 06:08 PM.

That way the staff don't have to spend all day working out what they want to write out before locking the topic and move on with their duties.

All day? It takes less than a minute to state why a topic has been locked so think before you post.

I didn't mean all day I was exaggerating to explain in a different way as it's a waste of time for them you Muslim prick but it's still a waste of time even if it takes a minute or two, do you understand that backstabber?
 
And it's f*cking ironic you should say "think before you post"... maybe you should of thought before you posted sh*t about me... you know exactly what I'm taking about.
 
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Anyway now that I've re-obtained my IQ mods shouldn't have to post something.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:13 PM

mods shouldn't have to post something.

But why not? Yes, in some cases the reason for locking is self explanatory but what if a new member posts a topic against the rules and gets the topic locked but doesn't understand what he has done wrong? Shouldn't they be at least notified?

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:33 PM

mods shouldn't have to post something.

But why not? Yes, in some cases the reason for locking is self explanatory but what if a new member posts a topic against the rules and gets the topic locked but doesn't understand what he has done wrong? Shouldn't they be at least notified?

I guess in that way it's useful, maybe a note that they've got to fill in before locking it could be of some use.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 07:56 PM Edited by GunWrath, 01 December 2013 - 07:57 PM.

 

mods shouldn't have to post something.

But why not? Yes, in some cases the reason for locking is self explanatory but what if a new member posts a topic against the rules and gets the topic locked but doesn't understand what he has done wrong? Shouldn't they be at least notified?

 

 

Does it really matter if someone doesn't understand why their topic is locked? Majority of topics that are locked are due to excessive trolling, spamming (one word posts, meme's, arguing, etc), off-topic, wrong section or pornographic. Which if a topic is in the wrong section, most staff simply move the topic or post the correct section. I don't think a staff member needs to state a comment in each topic that is locked. Far more pressing matters at hand, especially when a report center has 2-3pages of reports.

 

It's the members responsibility to read the rules of each section and follow them.. we shouldn't have to keep reminding of rules when it's posted in nearly every section at hand.

 

If your topic gets locked it's not always because of something the creator did that violates rules.. I rather get a PM asking why a topic was locked rather than having to post a comment, especially if it's something as obvious as trolling or spam.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 08:59 PM

 

Does it really matter if someone doesn't understand why their topic is locked?

Well, Does it really matter if someone does understand why their topic is locked? Because in my personal opinion, yes, it does. If someone doesn't understand, they may continue to repost things that are against the rules, which only causes more problems for the staff to deal with and isn't fair to the OP themselves as they will begin to get Reminders and Warnings which will essentially be when they begin to realize that what they are doing is technically wrong.

 

 

Majority of topics that are locked are due to excessive trolling, spamming (one word posts, meme's, arguing, etc), off-topic, wrong section or pornographic.

Well, maybe so but really, I still think the poster should at least understand what is going on, what some may see as 'trolling' is a perfectly healthy discussion in bringing about opinions to others.

 

For Off Topic/Wrong Material, it, in my opinion, should 9/10 of the times should be moved to the appropriate location of the forum. I have always found it quite useless to lock the topic posting a link to the correct forum because it not only takes longer than moving the topic but it can cut off numerous points being made - Especially if they were being posted at the time of locking.

 

For Pornographic material, the topic would be moved to the Recycle Bin, not locked - I'm quite sure that this media wouldn't just be left out in the open for anyone to see.

 

 

Far more pressing matters at hand, especially when a report center has 2-3 pages of reports. 

Dealing with these 'Far more pressing matters' in the report log is basically just locking more topics without reason - A handful of those could be people from the other locked topics reposting because they still haven't been told what's wrong with there posting. In that case, taking less than one minute to post why the topic is locked may actually decrease those reports.

 

 

It's the members responsibility to read the rules 

Rules? You mean this topic you created? No offense but if I didn't stick around this area of GTA Forums I wouldn't know it existed, when posting a topic its a Size 12 sentence on the right sidebar - How is anyone meant to see that? Maybe it's just the way I am interpreting it but going back to the question in hand - If a staff member posted the link to the rules, this issue wouldn't happen.

 

 

 I rather get a PM asking why a topic was locked rather than having to post a comment, especially if it's something as obvious as trolling or spam.

And how would the poster know you were the one that locked in? Perfectly understandable in your section, yes. If a Global Moderator locks a topic in the GTA V section, the OP would have to waste a led by's time by PMing them to ask them to find out who locked the topic.

 

Now I'm not saying you are wrong in saying that they shouldn't get told why but I truly believe they should at least know in some cases for the future, half of the time, the other members spamming, getting the topic locked or deleted, do it when the poster is inactive - The next time the OP will come online, they will have no idea what has happened to their topic.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:43 PM

I didn't mean all day I was exaggerating to explain in a different way as it's a waste of time for them you Muslim prick but it's still a waste of time even if it takes a minute or two, do you understand that backstabber?
 
And it's f*cking ironic you should say "think before you post"... maybe you should of thought before you posted sh*t about me... you know exactly what I'm taking about.

Take a chill pill or something. You didn't need to respond like that, did you?
 
Anyway... there does not have to be a post that explains why a particular topic has been locked the whole time, since it's mostly self-explanatory. For instance, if the first five to ten replies are pure spam, and the topic gets locked, then the reason is obvious; the topic has been derailed, and there is no point in trying to get it on the tracks again. Or if a given topic has been posted before and a member of the forum already pointed it out, then it's also clear as to why the topic got locked. If it isn't all that obvious though, then the staff member who locks the topic should post a small explanation as to why he/she locks the thread.
 

For Off Topic/Wrong Material, it, in my opinion, should 9/10 of the times should be moved to the appropriate location of the forum. I have always found it quite useless to lock the topic posting a link to the correct forum because it not only takes longer than moving the topic but it can cut off numerous points being made - Especially if they were being posted at the time of locking.

I concur, a topic that is posted in the wrong forum or sub-forum should be moved to the appropriate forum, rather than getting locked. It doesn't take any more effort to do that.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 11:03 PM Edited by Andreaz1, 01 December 2013 - 11:04 PM.

I think a small comment by the moderator or even just a choice in a list like Almost suggested above would be useful for two reasons:

1) While all new members are encouraged or even supposed to read through the rules before posting, we know that's not gonna happen. And when they don't, and come back seeing their topic has been locked, some may just drop it, assuming they did something wrong, but others (1) won't (2) do that (3). GunWrath said that posting a comment would take time away from dealing with the reports they get hammered with, but having to reply to and then lock each of these threads then made in the Support forum might take even more time.

2) In some cases, as Knife said above, and Girish stated in one of the links I posted, some of these threads shouldn't even have been locked in the first place, but were so by mistake. Having to state a reason for locking a thread, or even picking a choice in a list would eliminate these kinds of mistakes as you would have to stop and take a second look at the thread which would make you notice that you were about to make a mistake for whatever reason.

Just my opinion.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 09:51 AM Edited by GunWrath, 02 December 2013 - 09:53 AM.

Rules? You mean this topic you created? No offense but if I didn't stick around this area of GTA Forums I wouldn't know it existed, when posting a topic its a Size 12 sentence on the right sidebar - How is anyone meant to see that? Maybe it's just the way I am interpreting it but going back to the question in hand - If a staff member posted the link to the rules, this issue wouldn't happen.

 

 

Have you ever used a forum before? Most forums have their rules issued under Network Support or in the Announcements section.. but if you use this forum you'll notice nearly every section has it's own formatted rules as well. As I've stated before, it's not my fault you don't have the brain to browse around and learn the forum prior to using it. Take that as offensive as you'd like, but I'm just being honest.

 

 


 

Well, maybe so but really, I still think the poster should at least understand what is going on, what some may see as 'trolling' is a perfectly healthy discussion in bringing about opinions to others.

 

 

For Off Topic/Wrong Material, it, in my opinion, should 9/10 of the times should be moved to the appropriate location of the forum. I have always found it quite useless to lock the topic posting a link to the correct forum because it not only takes longer than moving the topic but it can cut off numerous points being made - Especially if they were being posted at the time of locking.

 

For Pornographic material, the topic would be moved to the Recycle Bin, not locked - I'm quite sure that this media wouldn't just be left out in the open for anyone to see.

 

 

 

 

 

and 9/10 they are moved to the appropriate section as long as the thread hasn't already been derailed whilst no points are being made, just 'op is dumb' posts. Yeah, I rather lock that and then have the creator make a new thread in it's proper location. Well, not all topics begin as pornographic material, you normally just have a member come in and post 2 or 3 porn images, then that topic may be locked because 50 posts after that porn attack is nothing but 'omgerd thats f*cking disgusting' .. so lock it and let the creator make a new topic, again, that is classed under derailment and shouldn't be binned since the porn was in a post format not a topic creation.

 

 

Well, Does it really matter if someone does understand why their topic is locked? Because in my personal opinion, yes, it does. If someone doesn't understand, they may continue to repost things that are against the rules, which only causes more problems for the staff to deal with and isn't fair to the OP themselves as they will begin to get Reminders and Warnings which will essentially be when they begin to realize that what they are doing is technically wrong.

 

 

If your present topic got locked, do you think you should just make another one of the same subject and title? My brain goes 'well, guess that isn't allowed, better not do that again'.. not sure how yours operates. Staff are fair when it comes to dealing out warnings and reminders, it's judged by the Moderator at hand, you'd be suprised at some of the stuff that gets turned a blind eye.

 

But when you deal with a forum of this size, you really can't sit there and lock with fully funded paragraphs on why it is locked Have you not used the V Section or GTAO Section? Those places move dude.. and when you have 40 topics popping up about the same thing, yeah, it's hard to place a comment in each one. So it gets locked and move on to the next.

 

We don't ask that everyone has to conform to a certain way but however, we do ask that you use common sense. Staff have a certain job to do and they do it... well, so I don't feel they need to post something everytime they make an executive decision. 


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:27 AM Edited by AceKingston, 02 December 2013 - 11:43 AM.

 

 

That way the staff don't have to spend all day working out what they want to write out before locking the topic and move on with their duties.

All day? It takes less than a minute to state why a topic has been locked so think before you post.

 

I didn't mean all day I was exaggerating to explain in a different way as it's a waste of time for them you Muslim prick

 

Your use of exaggeration was sh*t there. Oh and you've been reported for a Racist comment.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 02:46 PM Edited by The-King, 02 December 2013 - 02:48 PM.

If it's not obvious why a topic was locked I think whoever had their topic locked should take a long look at themselves. If you can't recognize why a topic was locked you have bigger issues than a mere locked topic.

Self awareness and personal understanding are very important and necessary tools for growth.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 04:40 PM

Your use of exaggeration was sh*t there. Oh and you've been reported for a Racist comment.

It's best to ignore someone dumb like him bro, I couldn't care less what he thinks about me haha. 


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:05 PM

Your use of exaggeration was sh*t there. Oh and you've been reported for a Racist comment.

It's best to ignore someone dumb like him bro, I couldn't care less what he thinks about me haha.

lol you're the dumb one kiddo...

Seems as we're speaking about locked topics maybe it's best this one get's locked too seems it's been answered and we've got the kids in here now ;)

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:38 PM

 get's

And I'm the dumb one LOL. 

 

Sorry for the off-topic post, I'm done. He's so stupid it's baffling to see at times. 


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 06:41 PM

I see this topic has run its course.

 

Edit: Oh hey, I just posted a reason for locking this topic!

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 08:56 PM Edited by GTA4 Niko Bellic, 02 December 2013 - 08:59 PM.

Before locking this. This is actually a serious topic, and a real site suggestion for the administrators, and I believe it could be beneficial to the website. If people do or do not agree with this topic doesn't mean it deserves a lock. Just let it die - but a lock was uncalled for. Idk if the previous moderator was just trying to be funny, but that wasn't humorous just rude, as this thread doesn't violate any rules.

 

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But can Moderators please post on a thread before locking it. With at least saying why the threads were locked, I've been seeing this a lot in the GTA Online section where a moderator would lock it, and you don't know who locked it or why it was locked. Meaning you don't even know if it was against rules, or how you can make better threads (so it doesn't get locked).

 

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Some things I would like to add that previously wasn't in the original thread - some moderators believe that it is too time consuming, so I think a good way to handle it is everytime you lock a thread there's a scroll down where it says something like "offensive behavior", "spam" "not following section rules", that would literally take a second and doesn't take effort from the moderators side. I'm pretty sure IPB offers plugins for this (i've worked with ipb in the past and could try and find one).

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 09:27 PM Edited by WildBrick142, 02 December 2013 - 09:27 PM.

Last topic was locked not because a mod just wanted, it was locked because of the constant flame wars. Did you read the last few replies?

 

Anyway, I didn't get a chance to leave my €0.02 in the previous topic.

I think that mods should leave a note when locking topics. They don't need to leave a note in obvious topics which are clearly trollish. When topics are derailed, I think there should be a note just informing that the topic was derailed and the OP is free to create a new one.

Some topics though, are locked for no reason. They don't look like spam/troll and it usually confuses me to why were they locked.

 

Going a bit off-topic, once a spambot posted them suspicious links in 5 topics (topics in which I reported the posts). All 5 topics (even that had a decent discussion) just vanished, they were moved to bin.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:00 PM

I definitely think that having the moderators/admins choose from a list of reasons as to why the topic was locked will be a good feature and will hopefully help any new member unsure of the rules and/or how the forum runs. :^:


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:23 PM

Last topic was locked not because a mod just wanted, it was locked because of the constant flame wars. Did you read the last few replies?

 

Oh okay ty.





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