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Posted 29 November 2013 - 10:29 AM Edited by Sleepy187., 29 November 2013 - 10:30 AM.

Hello there GTAForums,

 

I will kindly ask you to read the whole post as there will be no TL;DR, read it, understand it, then post.

 

For the past few weeks we've noticed so many pro and anti-Grand Theft Auto V threads, with replies ranging from mature discussions to fanboyism and arguments about that, resulting in said threads locked.

 

I am going to write here a small-review about my take on Grand Theft Auto V, and hopefully you will be able to read it, understand it, and partake in a mature discussion.

 

The story, I often see people complaining that the story is sh*t, the story is this, the story is that, no. The story is okay, it could've been done a lot better, in Grand Theft Auto we're supposed to play the most badass people in the "world" (GTA Universe), with that said, in Grand Theft Auto V we notice the protagonists complying with FIB orders and whatnot, which to be honest does not really fit in a Grand Theft Auto game, in my opinion that is.

 

There was no clear antagonist in the story, but remember when Rockstar said in the GameInformer article that we may play as both the "protagonist" and "antagonist"? If you're interested let me know and I will write on that matter too.

 

Now, the gameplay and whatnot, Rockstar promised us that this is their biggest and most ambitious game thus far, I'll have to disagree with that, at least, once again, in my opinion, a lot of stuff were sacrificed for things most of us don't use at all, such as the golf minigame, or tennis minigame, or the infamous Yoga minigame, I mean, ever since I got V I only visited Yoga once outside the mission just to see what it feels like.

 

As we notice in the following post provided by Ash_735: http://gtaforums.com...d/?p=1064155185 We notice a basketball icon, a "condom" icon, a dumbbell icon, etc.

This is supposedly from a beta version, why did they have to cut all of those out? Clearly the fanbase demands something and in return we get something else, ever since Yoga was announced the fanbase disliked that minigame and clearly voiced out that they do not want it, yet Rockstar hasn't done a thing.

 

When it was mentioned that houses were cut from the game and business purchase, people complained, yet Rockstar magically decided to add them in, why? Are they trying to deceive people? Perhaps those features were already in and Rockstar just wanted to trick us.

 

Physics of the game, a lot of people are complaining about the driving, and a lot of people are complaining about people complaining about the driving, oh wow.

From my personal opinion, some stuff just don't make f*cking sense at all, a 4x4 is not a 4x4, Sandking XL is a prime example.

Let's not forget the motorcycle phsyics, in my opinion it is Godawful, being able to make a 90 degree turn in the split of a second is not realistic at all, which this game was somewhat aiming for.

 

Grand Theft Auto Online versus Grand Theft Auto V Single player:

A lot of stuff were sacrificed, or should I say, exclusive to GTAO when it should be for both, the most important feature is the insurance system, I bought a Monroe two days ago after I finished the story, and I modified it, in total it cost me around $600.000, I accidentally blew it up, when I went to look for it, spoof, it was not there, what the hell were you thinking ROCKSTAR?! Yet aircrafts and boats respawn if they're destroyed.

 

The mechanic, it is a real needed feature even in single-player, even though in some people's eyes it does "not" make sense, why add personal vehicles if we're going to be in Paleto bay, accidentally destroy our car, and have to go all the way back to Los Santos to get the said car, I don't want to steal a random car off the street, my character has a personal car for a reason, I modified it and I want to use it as much as I can, why is it so limited?

 

In the end, a lot of stuff are done so wrong in the "most ambitious and biggest game from Rockstar ever", this game may be considered a masterpiece by some, or a flop by some, I choose an option in between, which is "good".

If you're going to just post something along the lines of "sell the game and don't come back, get the f*ck out of these forums", I'll say it from now, you're an immature, 12 year old boy. You may be physically 17-20 year old, but in your mental state you're still a little boy.

 

What some of you don't understand that everything in this life is subjective, there's no such thing as "best game ever".

It's all subjective, YOU like it the most, thus YOU consider it to be the best games of all time.

For me, Fallout: New Vegas is the best game of all time in MY book, it may not be for you, and I respect that, but it is for me.

 

TL;DR - No TL;DR, read the post or don't post at all.

 

Thank you.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 10:36 AM Edited by steve bambar, 29 November 2013 - 10:36 AM.

i won’t say a flop but it is noway a masterpiece

 

not even close

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 10:36 AM

Neither. 

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 10:38 AM

Neither, it's a far from being a flop and it's for sure no masterpiece.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 10:54 AM

GTA 5 is much more than being just a masterpiece, its unique. And its the best game ever.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 10:59 AM

Not a flop, quite simply


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:01 AM

Not to be rude, but did any of you read the full post?

Especially the part where I said that it is all subjective?


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:04 AM

Like every gta game, it's not exactly a masterpiece, but it's definitely closer to being one than to a flop, despite of all it's flaws.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:06 AM Edited by Official General, 29 November 2013 - 11:13 AM.

Like I've said before. I would not say GTA V is flop in general, no, but it is certainly not the amazingly great game it was made out to be. 

 

It is indeed great in some areas, and it had a massive amount of potential - but it just did not fully live up to it's expectations as a whole. 

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:14 AM

OBJECTIVE OPINION ON THE GAME:
If the game had flopped it would mean that Rockstar lost a lot of money (production cost > total earnings). However that's far from the case.
In reality GTA V is one of the most sold games and the most succesful game to come out this generation.
Other than that it won a sh*tload of prices and it's most likely the most recognized game ever.

SUBJECTIVE OPINION ON THE GAME:
I think a lot of people were expecting the game to be something which it is not. They expected it to be the best racing, shooting and stealth game ever made, but in reality it's just another GTA game. However, that's not a bad thing - far from it - people just need to accept that GTA V isn't "The ultimate game ever". I subjectively believe that GTA is the best game i've played, yet.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:30 AM

SUBJECTIVE OPINION ON THE GAME:
I think a lot of people were expecting the game to be something which it is not. They expected it to be the best racing, shooting and stealth game ever made, but in reality it's just another GTA game. However, that's not a bad thing - far from it - people just need to accept that GTA V isn't "The ultimate game ever". I subjectively believe that GTA is the best game i've played, yet.

 

No disrespect, but you are talking a bit of bullsh*t here.

 

I don't think anyone on here genuinely expected GTA V to be the best ever racing/shooting/stealth (and whatever else you wanna add) game. We all knew V was just another GTA game. What we expected, was for V to be the biggest and most ambitious GTA title yet (in Rockstar's own words), lots of progression and a massive improvement on previous GTA titles. We rightly expected V to be the ultimate GTA game, because that's exactly how Rockstar presented it and advertised it to us customers and the public - there is no denying this or getting away from this fact, I don't need to go into it. And the fact remains, that many GTA fans just genuinely feel that V should have been much better than it was, and that it just did not fully meet it's expectations, and this something that you should just accept. 

 

I'm happy for you that V is the best GTA yet, but just because you are more than happy with it, it don't mean you should try and force your opinions on everybody else. This is what you appear to be doing by implying that those who heavily criticize V were simply over-hyping the game and have unrealistic expectations from it, which is clearly not the case. 

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:35 AM

a masterpiece in SP!

crap in MP!


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:57 AM Edited by Flynny, 29 November 2013 - 12:53 PM.

You can't say it is a flop.

''Flop'' does not refer to game quality, if it did we could say every CoD from MW2 onwards is a flop. But that would be incorrect as flop usually refers to bad sales.

 

Anyway:

 

Personally I love GTA V and consider it one of the best games out there and certainly one of my very favourite.

You mention the mini-games like golf and tennis that nobody use, but i use them, a lot, I love these minigames. I just wish you could make private lobbies for golf online so I don't have to dick around with randoms when I want to play a friend, that's an online issue. I love these minigames, tennis not so much in MP for obvious lag-related reasons. Yoga I think was a bad move but if what you say is true then they sacrificed basketball for it, in my opinion there is no f*cking difference, I would not use basketball or yoga at all. Overall i like the mini-games and side-activities. I only wish there was a 2nd golf course out in the boonies and some more bounties, like maybe some city ones for big bucks.

 

I personally like the driving physics, you want realism, go play a simulator, this is not a simulator, realism was not the primary focus, fun was. For some people realism is fun, well as I said if that is you, go play a racing/driving simulator. I consider these people to be in the same class as those who want fallout to be fully fps, something I know you agree with me on sleepy. These people who want this need to go play another game that gives them this instead of trying to change a game into being that, some people want that, variety is good in the video game industry, because then there is something for everyone.

 

The antagonist thing - I think Devin was the main according to the wiki but really it goes to Haines I suppose since he is definitely more irritating and you want to kill him more. It seemed to me that every npc was irritating as f*ck really except for wade, and Norton (who was just a fool).

Touching on this they did fail to develop some characters, for instance in the mission ''lamar'' down (I f*cking despise lamar) Tanisha comes up talking to Franklin and franklin seems to care what she has to say, but I was jsut sat there wondering "who in seven f*cks are you? why do I care about you? get out of my house." This problem was in far cry 3: Jason wanted to save all hsi friends so much but I didn't know who the f*ck they all were and had no attachment to them.

Despite hating the majority of the characters I still think they are good, because you are meant to hate them, like Michael's family are so irritating, and people get turned off by that, well i think that that makes them good characters because they are meant to be that annoying and they pull it off well. It makes you kind of sympathise with Michael for having to put up with their sh*t all the time, they would drive the dalai lama (not llama he is not emperor kusco, stupid brain) to bitch-slap each and every one of them. I think the same idea was used for Lamar. I might dislike these character because of irritating traits, but I love the fact that they do this.

 

Unrelated side-note: Trevor is my favourite protagonist in any game ever. EVER

 

As for the purchasing of houses, that was probably always an online feature only, or maybe they tried to put it offline but they could not due to hardware limitiations. Keep in mind their ambition was limited by hardware that is literally the oldest thing in my flat except for me and my nostalgia collection. Or maybe it was always online and they put it in the original gameplay trailer as a bit of deception. Only they know for sure.

 

About your car, didn't you have insurance? if you did you get your car back for a small sum. 

 

I like the online, I disagree wholeheartedly with the assessment "there is nothing to do" That is a load of horsesh*t on toast, there is a tonne to do, there is actually too much, it becomes a clusterf*ck.

 

However even though there are loads of activities the best part of GTA IV online was free-roam with friends and the possibilities of this have been castrated; partly by the bad sport system and partly by the fact that there are no free-roam options like in GTA IV such as the ability to turn blips off (which vanished after episodes because of retardation) and things like that which could lead to some really cool inventive little games like hide and seek, or an assassins creed-esque thing where blips are off and you have to hunt your friend down and out-pedestrian them and hope they don't see your dot before they get a shotgun to the back of the head. these types of options are gone and I really hope they return because they enrich the online experience. Like maybe in a patch include a "classic online made" where there is no bad sport or anything.

 

That said I will say I like the online and I love the idea that they have with it being a kind of role playing online thing, and I love the level system, just goes on and on and on. However I don't like that you bring your own guns and ammo into every activity because if you don't win the deathmatch then you will not make enough money to cover the costs of your used bullets. Also Team deathmatch and solo deathmatch need to eb f*cking separated in the quick join already.

 

In summation:

 

SP - Absolutely loved it and I am only a bit disappointed because of the shortness of the story, it felt like 3 TBoGT-length stories that tied together in many parts, the reason this is so minor for me, is because there is still a sh*t-load to do. I had 90 hours clocked on my first playthrough, achieved their version of 100% and still ahd a bunch of stuff I wanted to do. now I can remember a game which has made me feel like that after 90 hours of one playthrough. Not even Fallout New Vegas, that was 80 hours played and finished all quests except dlc and the ending chain (not including dlc)

 

Editorial: No single-player game I have played keeps me happy for nearly 100 hours before restarting. Except football manager and the sims but simulation games are not comparable as they either have no end, or their end is a ridiculously long time away (in the case of football manager) simulation games tend to go on forever and even with a progression system are never fully complete. 

 

MP - needs work, great ideas, average execution, jsut a few things missing, particularly things from the IV multiplayer to enrich the game that bit more with variety. Like maybe a classic mode for all the modes so we all start a deathmatch with a pistol whether we are level 1, 3, 50, or 666. For me MP just needs some tweaking, however I am not a multiplayer kind of guy anymore, only with friends. Been that way for a few years.

 

Flop or masterpiece? - both the completely wrong words to use.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:15 PM

I don't know how anyone could consider it a flop, but to me it's no masterpiece. That honour belongs to GTA IV and VC to an extent.

A great game though.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:22 PM Edited by Tilemaxx, 29 November 2013 - 12:22 PM.

All 3D Era GTA's are masterpieces to me. GTA IV & V are probably in the top 3 games of this generation.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:24 PM Edited by gtafan899, 29 November 2013 - 12:35 PM.

omg! i can't believe they cut assassinations and drug dealing.   :cry:


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:33 PM

If you're going to just post something along the lines of "sell the game and don't come back, get the f*ck out of these forums", I'll say it from now, you're an immature, 12 year old boy. You may be physically 17-20 year old, but in your mental state you're still a little boy.

 

Ok - that is just about the weakest logical argument I've ever seen. Premise 1 - if you don't like the game you shouldn't bother complaining on forums. Premise 2 - if you subscribe to premise 1 you are 17-20yo but have the mental state of a little boy ... seriously wtf?

 

 

But to the key point (and frankly I couldn't get through all of that pointless drivel) ... simply any game that retails $1bn is not a flop ... in fact, by that metric it is a HUGE success. Any game getting the rave reviews from the wider community is a HUGE success. The views of a few GTA purists are completely irrelevant.

 

And it seems most people are forgetting the key businesses drivers here for Rockstar - GTA5 is clearly a beta version of GTA6 for nextgen consoles and PC to be released in 2014 and a wider GTA MMO environment at some point.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:39 PM

The SP was great, took me over 15+ hours on each character to get 100% completion. And about 25/30+ on Franklin, or the "getaway driver" as I like to think. No master piece, but a great offline game.
Don't want to speak on OP cuz its nowhere near 75% complete (heists, casino, stocks, ext)

As far as the driving, I love it! When watching a badass heist movie or racing movie you see unrealistic turns and all. I love that I cud be going 150 mph with trevor and michael shooting the cops and make a last second turn in Franklin buffalo to get unwanted. The purpose of a getaway driver is to f*cking get away! The driving is amazing imo. If you want realistic driving then take your car for a spin or get like forza. This is gta, not realistic

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:40 PM Edited by Official General, 29 November 2013 - 12:41 PM.

 

Ok - that is just about the weakest logical argument I've ever seen. Premise 1 - if you don't like the game you shouldn't bother complaining on forums. 

 

@ mister2au

 

 

When I last checked, the whole point of a games forum to was to discuss games - which includes criticizing and complaining about them  :sarcasm:

 

Maybe you really need to look up what the definition of a forum is. 

 

 

But to the key point (and frankly I couldn't get through all of that pointless drivel) ... simply any game that retails $1bn is not a flop ... in fact, by that metric it is a HUGE success. Any game getting the rave reviews from the wider community is a HUGE success. The views of a few GTA purists are completely irrelevant.

 

Lol, I can't even respond properly to this. 


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 01:00 PM

 

 

Ok - that is just about the weakest logical argument I've ever seen. Premise 1 - if you don't like the game you shouldn't bother complaining on forums. 

 

@ mister2au

 

 

When I last checked, the whole point of a games forum to was to discuss games - which includes criticizing and complaining about them  :sarcasm:

 

Maybe you really need to look up what the definition of a forum is. 

 

No sh*t Sherlock ... but read again - I was paraphrasing OP's argument not putting forward my own argument ... particularly the point where everyone is a 12yo child if they don't want to hear complaints from disgruntled players. It is just ridiculous and offensive to a mature discussion.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 01:05 PM

GTA V is a very good game. It's neither a masterpiece nor a flop. It's just a very good game. 

 

People expected it to elevate gaming to new levels, and I honestly don't think that's the fault of R*'s marketing or 'hype'. That was people's expectations. 

 

If you're disappointed, think back to a year ago and honestly consider what you expected from this game. Not what you were told would be in it, but what you expected. Did it match up?

 

Does what was delivered match, or at least more closely match, what R* said would be in it? For the most part, yes, it does. They couldn't account for the fact that people are entirely incapable of moving on from San Andreas. For better or for worse, they crammed so much into SA, most of it really pointless (gyms, fighting styles, gang wars). They were fun for a while. Personally, I found the gang wars incredibly irritating after finishing the story.

 

"What? YOU MEAN I HAVE TO TRAVEL ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE MAP TO WIN BACK A COUPLE OF STREETS? f*ck it. Let the Ballas have that Clucking Bell. I didn't want it in the first place. "

 

I prefer the stripped back world of V. It has more detail and more exploration possibilities and for me, that's more important that making my character buff, or giving him groucho glasses and a pimp cane. The world is the star, and filling the world with really lame distractions is not what I want. I want a world that looks good and feels good to be in. I wouldn't want to spend time on dull stuff like working out. I'd rather wander around and listen to pedestrians. On THAT level, it really delivers, for me. 

 

But opinions... opinions are like penises. They're wasted on some people. 

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 01:34 PM

Neither. It's no way a flop, and no way a masterpiece. It's a good game never the less.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 01:49 PM

Not a masterpiece and not a total flop. For me, it was a slight flop because it kind of let me down when it came to half of what I had expected -- which were reasonable expectations: stuff like wanting an isolated countryside feeling, the same good driving physics instead of the casual gamer level stuff we have now, more interiors, better voice acting, et cetera.

 

I wouldn't say it was a total flop as the graphics are detailed and there were some nice touches here and there, but to me it isn't really a true feeling GTA. It feels... it just leaves a lot to be desired, something was missing. And for some reason when I played it and tried to relax, that relaxation just felt so temporary and limited. Can't explore certain areas without getting wanted, can't drive fast because that'll show off the silly looking physics, can't climb things without somehow running into a wall and falling, can't drive without a dumb scripted AI cop chase every 10 minutes causing people to ram into me or just ruins the vibe, et cetera.

 

To me, it was far from a masterpiece. As "absurd" as this may sound to many of you people, I think IV was much closer to a masterpiece than V and I still think IV needed some more stuff to make it a masterpiece. Why do I feel that way? Well IV was at least good at being what it was trying to be. It felt like a true GTA, a true R* product, and it felt for the most part complete. To me, V feels like Rockstar just focused on what the bitching people wanted and it ruined that magic, everything good about IV, it just doesn't seem right...

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 01:52 PM

2 very extreme options there, huh?


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:23 PM

Neither one. To choose one of those is just stupid, because it deserves neither title.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:27 PM

To me, it was far from a masterpiece. As "absurd" as this may sound to many of you people, I think IV was much closer to a masterpiece than V and I still think IV needed some more stuff to make it a masterpiece. Why do I feel that way? Well IV was at least good at being what it was trying to be. It felt like a true GTA, a true R* product, and it felt for the most part complete. To me, V feels like Rockstar just focused on what the bitching people wanted and it ruined that magic, everything good about IV, it just doesn't seem right...

People here were saying the exact thing about IV back in 2008. Actually the hate was x100 of what it is now for V. Doubters will appreciate V more and more over time, just like they did with IV.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:34 PM Edited by AlexL, 29 November 2013 - 02:34 PM.

For me it's a good game, BUT it feels like it didn't reach it's full potential, there's way too much focus on the online and a lot of stuff is just missing from singleplayer. "Bold new direction" yeah right.... a direction headed where? Towards a wall?

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 03:13 PM

It's closer to a flop than a masterpiece, most definitely. I play this game, but that doesn't stop me from being severely disappointed with it.
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Posted 29 November 2013 - 03:15 PM

 

To me, it was far from a masterpiece. As "absurd" as this may sound to many of you people, I think IV was much closer to a masterpiece than V and I still think IV needed some more stuff to make it a masterpiece. Why do I feel that way? Well IV was at least good at being what it was trying to be. It felt like a true GTA, a true R* product, and it felt for the most part complete. To me, V feels like Rockstar just focused on what the bitching people wanted and it ruined that magic, everything good about IV, it just doesn't seem right...

People here were saying the exact thing about IV back in 2008. Actually the hate was x100 of what it is now for V. Doubters will appreciate V more and more over time, just like they did with IV.

 

I've liked IV since I first got my hands on it thank you very much. I liked V when it came out, but during my 8 week playthrough of it, I got more and more let down. It just isn't the game I can play almost everyday anymore.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 03:37 PM Edited by bish0p2004, 29 November 2013 - 03:38 PM.

 

To me, it was far from a masterpiece. As "absurd" as this may sound to many of you people, I think IV was much closer to a masterpiece than V and I still think IV needed some more stuff to make it a masterpiece. Why do I feel that way? Well IV was at least good at being what it was trying to be. It felt like a true GTA, a true R* product, and it felt for the most part complete. To me, V feels like Rockstar just focused on what the bitching people wanted and it ruined that magic, everything good about IV, it just doesn't seem right...

People here were saying the exact thing about IV back in 2008. Actually the hate was x100 of what it is now for V. Doubters will appreciate V more and more over time, just like they did with IV.

 

 

It seems to me that people who hated IV still hate IV (myself included).  However, the people who loved IV are more vocal now due to the changes.  

 

The internet is not one collective conscious.

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