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#1

Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:17 AM Edited by bicycles?, 23 November 2013 - 12:05 PM.

I guess it already existed, but it's being ramped up and exploited to the max with this game and it's disgusting.

 

 

- Youtube videos, anywhere from a few seconds long, to full-on "shows" and podcasts about the game, mostly mediocre and cringeworthy, but mostly all chock full of ads and pleas for likes and shares, and links to other videos with ads on them.

 

- scammers everywhere using keywords and high-traffic phrases trying to snag as many clicks and views as possible.

 

 

 

The game is bad enough as far as constantly having to buy stuff, being charged $5000 every time you die, constantly being asked to sign up/login to their social network and running into things that aren't available offline or that need to be patched online, and the fact that everything you do "for fun" in the game is incredibly douchey...

 

They're definitely not "setting a good example" for anyone, and the precedent they're setting for other companies as far as delivering unfinished/seemingly untested products that constantly require updating to even approach what was advertised... it's just bad.

 

What the hell man, the future of videogames is looking awful.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:23 AM

Out of all the things that stuck out to me it's the complaining about being charged $5000 whenever you die. So what, whether online or single player (assuming you've completed the story) you'll have plenty of money to cover it anyway.
Plus just wait until GTA VI comes out. By then Obama Care (Lawton Care????) will be in full swing and you won't be charged a single dollar :p

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:38 AM Edited by bicycles?, 23 November 2013 - 11:42 AM.

Offline players don't have access to the bawsaq, which means no tinkle, betapharm, or other big money/lester stocks.

 

 

And $5000 is more than you make on a lot of the missions.  I have no interest in replaying easy, heavily scripted/restrictive missions, I bought the game assuming I could just freeplay it.  Which means A LOT of dying.  Which means there's no way for me to make anywhere near as much money as I plan to lose, unless I wade through sh*tty scripted chores in which I find no joy...

 

Why no casino or gambling, or other freeplay methods of making money? Because rockstar wanted to pad out their social network and keep people interested until it's released for online players.


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:45 AM

I don't play online either, but think of it like this: at the very least you make $24,000,000 from the final heist. Meaning you would have to have die 4800 times over the last two months. I didn't even get near half of that during my five years of playing GTA IV
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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:47 AM

That's assuming you don't buy any vehicles, weapons, or upgrades.

 

How much does a tank cost? 


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:56 AM Edited by CarimboHanky, 23 November 2013 - 11:59 AM.

@bicycles youre such a cry baby... the least you would end up at the end of the story is with 17millions, enough to buy car, fully mod them, buy a tank and still would have enough money not to worry about the 5k hospital bill.

after all is not like things are as expensive as they are online.

just so you get the idea things online cost around 1000%-9000% more that they do offline.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:57 AM

That's assuming you don't buy any vehicles, weapons, or upgrades.
 
How much does a tank cost? 

How much does a tank cost? 5 minutes of my time in Fort Zancudo.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:59 AM Edited by bicycles?, 23 November 2013 - 12:03 PM.

yeah, because there's nothing that isn't fun about having to flee the same sole location/traverse the map any time you want to use a tank, right?  If you're on one side of the map, and decide you'd like to start using a tank, why not just go all the way back to the military base and then drive all the way back? That's fun, right?

 

What happens after offline players buy tanks? can they save them anywhere? Can they insure them?  Or do they have to buy another the next time they want one? How does the delivery system work?


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:07 PM

You store them in an airport hanger with your planes. That's where they're delivered, that's where they're intended to be stored.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:13 PM

I guess it already existed, but it's being ramped up and exploited to the max with this game and it's disgusting.

 

 

- Youtube videos, anywhere from a few seconds long, to full-on "shows" and podcasts about the game, mostly mediocre and cringeworthy, but mostly all chock full of ads and pleas for likes and shares, and links to other videos with ads on them.

 

- scammers everywhere using keywords and high-traffic phrases trying to snag as many clicks and views as possible.

 

 

 

The game is bad enough as far as constantly having to buy stuff, being charged $5000 every time you die, constantly being asked to sign up/login to their social network and running into things that aren't available offline or that need to be patched online, and the fact that everything you do "for fun" in the game is incredibly douchey...

 

They're definitely not "setting a good example" for anyone, and the precedent they're setting for other companies as far as delivering unfinished/seemingly untested products that constantly require updating to even approach what was advertised... it's just bad.

 

What the hell man, the future of videogames is looking awful.

yes if you keep buying DLC.

if you don't like the game you can get a refund you know


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:19 PM Edited by bicycles?, 23 November 2013 - 12:19 PM.

 

if you don't like the game you can get a refund you know

from where? seriously, I'd like to know.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:30 PM


The game is bad enough as far as constantly having to buy stuff, being charged $5000 every time you die, constantly being asked to sign up/login to their social network and running into things that aren't available offline or that need to be patched online, and the fact that everything you do "for fun" in the game is incredibly douchey...

 

They're definitely not "setting a good example" for anyone, and the precedent they're setting for other companies as far as delivering unfinished/seemingly untested products that constantly require updating to even approach what was advertised... it's just bad.

 

What the hell man, the future of videogames is looking awfuI.

I can't be the only person that has realized that the less cash you have, the less you get charged when you die. Under $100 and it's free. If you're concerned about it then dump your money into stocks unless you need to buy something.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 01:11 PM

I guess it already existed, but it's being ramped up and exploited to the max with this game and it's disgusting.

 

 

- Youtube videos, anywhere from a few seconds long, to full-on "shows" and podcasts about the game, mostly mediocre and cringeworthy, but mostly all chock full of ads and pleas for likes and shares, and links to other videos with ads on them.

 

- scammers everywhere using keywords and high-traffic phrases trying to snag as many clicks and views as possible.

 

 

 

The game is bad enough as far as constantly having to buy stuff, being charged $5000 every time you die, constantly being asked to sign up/login to their social network and running into things that aren't available offline or that need to be patched online, and the fact that everything you do "for fun" in the game is incredibly douchey...

 

They're definitely not "setting a good example" for anyone, and the precedent they're setting for other companies as far as delivering unfinished/seemingly untested products that constantly require updating to even approach what was advertised... it's just bad.

 

What the hell man, the future of videogames is looking awful.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 01:30 PM

Money earning was poorly conceived in this outing.

The want to buy properties (hence: add missions and income) was superceded by the wild cost of some. (up to 150million)

This could be done only by exploiting the missions with the stock market as designed.

Properties should be reasonably priced so that we buy them during the story and might be distracted by the missions involved as the story progresses.

Instead.. we are to hoarde our funds until the big payoff when we can buy everything... after the credits roll.

Does the word 'anticlimax' fit here?

OP: sorry if I'm off from your thread.

This apparently needed to come out of me somewhere.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 02:48 PM

Every SP complaint here could be remedied with 3 cheats:

- invincibility (with no time limit)
- never wanted by police
- money ($100 million per use)

These cheats should exist for the players who just want crazy fun without consequences. Those who want more of a challenge, just won't use the them.

Aside from that, when has a GTA game ever provided a sensible economy with appropriate prices overall? Never. V has more realistic prices than previous GTAs (good) but payouts still need work.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 03:35 PM

The only cheats I wanted should always rock gta.

I would pay for DLC of these two cheats:

1 - All pedestrians have weapons
2 - All pedestrians riot

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 08:58 PM

I guess it already existed, but it's being ramped up and exploited to the max with this game and it's disgusting.

 

 

- Youtube videos, anywhere from a few seconds long, to full-on "shows" and podcasts about the game, mostly mediocre and cringeworthy, but mostly all chock full of ads and pleas for likes and shares, and links to other videos with ads on them.

 

- scammers everywhere using keywords and high-traffic phrases trying to snag as many clicks and views as possible.

 

 

 

The game is bad enough as far as constantly having to buy stuff, being charged $5000 every time you die, constantly being asked to sign up/login to their social network and running into things that aren't available offline or that need to be patched online, and the fact that everything you do "for fun" in the game is incredibly douchey...

 

They're definitely not "setting a good example" for anyone, and the precedent they're setting for other companies as far as delivering unfinished/seemingly untested products that constantly require updating to even approach what was advertised... it's just bad.

 

What the hell man, the future of videogames is looking awful.

 

Youtube can be a great place for shows. I am a fan of Achievement Hunter and a few other guys making content.

But I know where you are coming from exactly. GTA V during those final months I looked for previews and found just re posted videos we had seen 1 million times, people just looking to get the views.

 

As far as economy in R*...I am just not sure, from removing money cases in sp to cutting payouts for jobs in mp.


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:10 PM

I guess it already existed, but it's being ramped up and exploited to the max with this game and it's disgusting.

 

 

- Youtube videos, anywhere from a few seconds long, to full-on "shows" and podcasts about the game, mostly mediocre and cringeworthy, but mostly all chock full of ads and pleas for likes and shares, and links to other videos with ads on them.

 

- scammers everywhere using keywords and high-traffic phrases trying to snag as many clicks and views as possible.

 

 

 

The game is bad enough as far as constantly having to buy stuff, being charged $5000 every time you die, constantly being asked to sign up/login to their social network and running into things that aren't available offline or that need to be patched online, and the fact that everything you do "for fun" in the game is incredibly douchey...

 

They're definitely not "setting a good example" for anyone, and the precedent they're setting for other companies as far as delivering unfinished/seemingly untested products that constantly require updating to even approach what was advertised... it's just bad.

 

What the hell man, the future of videogames is looking awful.

Yeah all of that sh*t exists, its reality.

 

Having said that, I think the game is easily worth what you paid for, its f*cking brilliant. 


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:28 PM

"- Youtube videos, anywhere from a few seconds long, to full-on "shows" and podcasts about the game, mostly mediocre and cringeworthy, but mostly all chock full of ads and pleas for likes and shares, and links to other videos with ads on them.

 
- scammers everywhere using keywords and high-traffic phrases trying to snag as many clicks and views as possible."

 

 

This isn't a GTA V problem, nor did Rockstar have a hand in this at all. This is solely a Youtube problem and has been going on before GTA V was released. 

 

As for the rest, I don't think Rockstar are setting an example so much as following one. They saw how other developers were handling DLC and such around the time they were making GTA IV and they decided to make big worthwhile DLC and ended up losing money on it. It still doesn't make the future look good, but I wouldn't worry about Rockstar unless the next GTA is full of similar problems. 


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:31 PM

The game must be able to detect region, I've never paid Medical fees online, Ever.

 

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:38 PM

I'M tired from just making money in this game.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:32 AM

You should really have Adblock Plus, then sell-out YouTubers can't get their money. It's society nowadays, they will do anything for a couple of cents, they don't care what it is. Look at YouTube, every YouTuber begs for you to subscribe and like their content, and constantly tell you to buy all of their merchandise. Being forced to use a bunch of other things to play a game is ridiculous, that iFruit app was just thrown onto the Google Play Store, that's why it doesn't work, but why do I need that just to use a feature? I can't even use the in-game camera, so why have that feature too?

 

The video game industry has been going downhill for a long time, only a few companies exist that still care about their products (Rockstar isn't one of them). There are so many bugs and major flaws with single player that haven't been fixed yet, even though Rockstar know of them, us single player gamers get some beta game that isn't even "Grand Theft Auto V", it's like some tiny expansion to the online mode, did they really have to lie about that? Why not just sell the game as GTA: Online so I don't get scammed into thinking I'm getting a full-on single player experience? Too many aspects are multiplayer only, just so they can get more players for it. I highly doubt they will ever fix single player issues.
 

Oh yeah, I find it funny how Rockstar make fun of Apple, yet they made an exclusive deal with them for the iFruit app, the same goes for DLC, they make fun of that, but this game will squeeze consumers down to the last cent with it. Rockstar have gone way above themselves, they think they're the pinnacle of the gaming industry, whatever they do is the right way to do it... This has been happening for a long time though, companies push out broken/unfinished games, hype it up, and make you pay to fix it.

 

Too bad most gamers are oblivious to this, and think DLC is acceptable for games, so it will only keep getting worse...

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:55 AM

dead @ OP complaining about a buisness trying to run a buisness

no one works on something for 5 years without trying to get the most profit from it

as for complaining about in game medical bills, if you wanna be logical that's pretty cheap

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 12:59 AM

I'm gonna make a youtube channel and put up video rants of how people try to get people to subscribe and like their videos.

 

If I did this, would you guys subscribe and like my videos?


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:04 AM

The first few days of GTA V was full of virus/scam videos asking people to download a PS3 emulator to play V on PC. Some of them even made it to the front page thanks to the Youtube filters. Funny stuff.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:09 AM

As others have stated, the scamming/begging for likes is a YouTube/internet problem not a GTAV problem. So I'm not sure what you're on about there.

I'm like the OP in that I'm strictly offline. Each character can still earn around 500 million using only the LCN and Lesters missions. Also, again as others have said, there is a sliding scale for what hospital bills cost and it caps at $5000. In GTAIV it was a percentage of your money, and you lost way more than $5000 for dying after 3 Leaf Clover.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'everything you can do for fun is douchey...

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:40 AM

The fact that your console has to be online for Bawsaq to be accessible is asinine. Without Bawsaq, there's no other way to make millions. Thus, true 100% completion becomes impossible to achieve. I'm not too thrilled.

As for games by any maker being released bug riddled, it's unacceptable. We saw this less when games were less complex. We're seeing this more as games increase in complexity and makers aim for releases on schedule whether ready or not. It's a disappointing trend.

As for the gaming trend of DLC for new content, neat concept. But it should always be free and not be used for patching as many people can't be online to "fix" their game.




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