By popular demand (cough) I’ve finally unveiled details involving a theoretical DLC for GTA V that will (almost) certainly never happen. It is suggested as an alternative to DLC that would bring slightly better resolution to the fiasco of how The Lost and Damned fans were treated by reintroducing the only two brothers not involved.
I first put this particular post to Grievous to get their thoughts and walls of text on the matter which were very helpful.
It mostly involves the theory of Jim faking his death. So a bit of background on the theory for those who haven’t heard it.
In TLAD and GTA IV there’s a few odd things regarding Jim’s death. Firstly the retcon. That the man Niko kills looks nothing like Jim. Most likely it is indeed a simple retcon however this man appears alongside Jim in TLAD. Why?
That’s one factor. The other is the fact that the two million dollars in diamond money that Johnny stole from Libertorian is completely unaccounted for and was last seen in Jim’s possession. What happened to it? These two oversights trigger the conspiracy theorist in me. However considering how The Lost have been treated as of late, I honestly believe these are just two huge oversights but such things bug me when there is a possible explanation.
The final piece of the theory cake is that Johnny himself puts it to Jim that if Billy had to make him do something that could possibly mean he wouldn’t be able to be there for his wife and kid anymore what would he do. Jim answers that he’d have to think long and hard about it but says he thinks long and hard about what he orders at Burger Shot as well sort of brushing off the question. Could he have made a choice here?
Obviously this DLC assumes Jim did indeed fake his death for reasons of avoiding Ray’s wrath as well as giving him an out from The Lost without his brothers seeing it as a betrayal as well as convincing his wife Jackie that this side of his life was done for good.
Firstly how was it done? Numerous theories, my own off the top of my head at first involved bribing a corrupt detective with some of the two million dollars to report his death and have Jackie identify the body that looks nothing like Jim as Jim thus covering how someone with a completely different appearance can be identified as dead, especially with how notoriously lax the LCPD are.
However Drunken Cowboy in the monster thread regarding a certain character’s death suggested that Johnny wasn’t the only one running around for Stubbs and that Jim was also doing ‘jobs’ for him and so had Stubbs assist in faking his death.
Keeping in mind Stubbs had to be absolutely sure Billy was dead because if he talked Stubbs was certain to come up and his reputation was down the toilet so had Jim in reserve.
Personally I like this theory more because Stubbs can become involved in the plot again. In any case let’s go over key characters and settings.
Much has been said about using Ludendorf, North Yankton for some sort of DLC. Personally the snow and ice theme would certainly be welcome and a drastic change from the sunshine of Los Santos. Snowboarding, skiing, ice hockey amongst other things would all be possible diversions. Any ideas here are more than welcome.
Los Santos would return largely unchanged but would feature extensively in the plot as the characters would travel between the two locations for ‘business’ reasons.
Jim has been living in Ludendorf in North Yankton for the past five years. Since two million isn’t exactly enough to assure a comfortable life for his wife and son he still has to work and does tedious truck delivery work (or something else that you people can have fun with) that drives him insane with boredom.
Jim also plays Ice Hockey every so often but aside from that Jim is not at all content.
His wife is on his case about their growing son who never seems to get out of trouble and much like his father sticks up for those he cares for. In addition a crime spree is hitting the relatively unprepared small town in ways that concern Jackie that Jim may be tempted to return to his former lifestyle. I may be mistaken since I don’t believe it is specified but I get the feeling that Jim’s kid is male.
Grievous also suggested making a reference to his jacket and motorcycle to give that whole ‘armor in the closet’ feel.
As of yet unnamed character
I have a few ideas for a name and background but I want to let you people have fun with this. This character is a disgruntled IAA agent to be but they were rejected for reasons they saw as trivial. However being a friend of Thomas Stubbs may allow them to extract some revenge in his attempt to destabilise both the FIB and the IAA and expose their war in funding.
Stubbs is obviously only in it for his own reasons and cares little for justice. What more could a corrupt politician want then more control over intelligence?
Grievous described the concept of this character as a ‘sane and consistent’ version of Trevor. Psychologically wounded and disillusioned.
Another alternative with the same theme is being a former friend to the possibly deceased Michael Klebitz, Johnny’s more law abiding brother which I may have considered more if Rockstar didn’t overuse the name Michael. Jason Michaels, Saint Michael and...
Michael De Santa
Jim Fitzgerald catches Michael De Santa on camera fighting Merryweather, the IAA and the FIB as they are shooting each other causing Stubbs to dig deeper into him and being pleasantly surprised by what he finds. So just when Michael thought he was free ‘to be miserable in peace’ he is called back into service by Stubbs who demands his help in exposing the corrupt acts of both organisations. His similarity yet drastic differences from Jim are pretty remarkable.
Side notes about characters
Jim’s revival story is very similar to Michael’s. Believe it or not I came up with it before we had serious details on Michael’s story but there are two key differences.
1. Jim is poor, doing menial work and bored, Michael is rich and bored.
2. Jim’s personality is significantly different and is has a far less dominating personality than Michael. This alters the dynamic of his relationship with his wife Jackie and his son. He is generally more willing to concede to Jackie and gets along rather well with his son.
Opening of the Story
Jim’s life begins to unravel when Angus Martin arrives at Jim’s doorstep. Angus claims he always knew Jim was alive but understood his reasons for leaving and decided to leave him in peace. Angus had been staying in North Yankton for the past few weeks unable to see Johnny and the other brothers destroy themselves in this way and wanted to see if he could convince Jim to appeal to Johnny knowing how much Johnny needed the help of someone who would understand and not someone who Johnny would feel he had to appear strong for.
Although Jim is pleased to see Angus after the initial shock, Jim concludes that he cannot risk being dragged back into that life again. However Jackie who had other concerns lately regarding her husband gets into a huge fight with him with Angus’ arrival being the last straw and says she is leaving for a few days.
In response Jim contacts Angus who is still staying in the town for a while and agrees to his request and the pair travel to Los Santos. Unsure of what to say or whether Johnny would be furious at Jim’s betrayal he isn’t quite sure what he’s getting himself into.
Originally at this point I set it a while after Johnny’s death however Grievous convinced me that it should be set just before. So this way Jim and Johnny would get into a rather large verbal confrontation. Jim would not be surprised at Johnny’s reaction but he would be surprised at how damaged he was over the years, hearing it from Angus was one thing but seeing it was something else. Grievous gave me a possible conversation which I’ll let him post if he chooses.
The conversation leads to talks of loyalty and then about Ashley which triggers Johnny to ask about her whereabouts only to find she isn’t around thus setting the scene for Johnny’s met with Trevor. The irony being that both of them had just seen a ghost.
At some point after Johnny’s death with other story events that I haven’t determined yet to happen which probably includes a more permanent separation between Jim and Jackie, Jim is contacted by one Thomas Stubbs who had been keeping tabs on Jim over the years and knew he had flown out to Los Santos to visit Johnny. Stubbs was in Los Santos and had wished to hire Johnny’s services again but based on his circumstances that was no longer possible so he wanted to hire Jim instead.
Jim says he wishes to have nothing to do with Stubbs but then Stubbs tells him about what he knows of Jim’s life and how transparent his unhappiness is, that he wasn’t meant to live a ‘normal’ life as he had been trying to and claims that this time his work is for a good cause and to just hear him out and that if he wasn’t convinced he could go back and do whatever tedious job he was doing.
Reluctantly agreeing to a meeting they meet in a typically over the top luxurious setting of some sort and Stubbs introduces Jim to our third character. The pair are given the assignment to watch over a meeting that according to intelligence Stubbs has received should see the IAA attempt to make arrests of the FIB. Stubbs predicts fireworks and he wants video evidence.
Game play themes and features
More profit and choice based heists.
While the tone of the DLC may seem more political at first Stubbs isn’t the only thing driving the story. Angus has several ideas on what could be done to make some money for the sole purpose of making money with the varying contacts he has acquired over the years and jobs that could be done in North Yankton or Los Santos on behalf of those all over the globe.
More Cameos in Heist Members that can hired
Personally I’d like to see the return of several GTA characters in the form of possible crew members and maybe even possible conversations between one another if they are familiar with each other with synergy and trust factors making a mission easier.
Very open to suggestions here though I’ve got plenty of ideas including Luis, Henrique, Phil Bell, De Sean, Malc, Lamar, Hao and many others so if you don’t like some characters you can just ignore them and hire ones you do like. Let’s just say my imagination got me carried away here even with characters totally unsuitable for the sake of cutting costs...
Options throughout the plot
I’m very big on choices in all sorts of games. A big part of Jim’s story and theme is the fact that he ultimately cannot please everyone and so he must how he ranks his own priorities and that has consequences throughout.
Obviously at this point the idea is very much in its development stages but I find it fun to think about and there’s a good chance I will write a possible storyline out for it at some stage if people want it.
Grievous I've probably forgot loads of other stuff you mentioned but you can mention it now if you like. Would like to get the opinions from many on possible direction and other ideas.