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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:33 AM Edited by hflgk, 04 November 2013 - 09:42 AM.

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The aspects of society held in the highest regard are forms of slavery. Moreover, they are largely self-imposed.

Education is a form of slavery. You don't voluntarily partake of this.. rather societal influences force you to participate. Inherently, you didn't possess enough knowledge, or the right knowledge, so you had to attend big facilities with paid employees to gain the right, accepted knowledge. Of course, this doesn't mean all that you do learn in school is necessary. Or even correct. Long ago, as industry began to flourish, industrial leaders realized they needed a more coherent, uniform group of employees. They needed better workers. Workers that could quickly and efficiently complete tasks. This is where education comes in. The rich, affluent industrial leaders helped construct a broad, "authorized" educational platform. Public education. (Of course private education largely follows the same path too.) Education is not for your benefit. It is for the industry's benefit. Education is there to produce good slaves for the rich people. I mean workers. Yeah.

And why did industry flourish as it did? Because people were unhappy with what was naturally. They had to reshape and reform their environment just to be content with it. Self-imposed slavery. And guess what. People still aren't happy. They won't be.

Of course, if education is slavery, then the very ends for which it is implemented would be slavery too - work. It isn't even really necessary to get into that here.

Marriage is also a form of slavery. The good old "ball and chain". What is odd about this, however, is that initially people want and desire an exclusive relationship. They expend great effort attempting to secure a marriage or relationship. But eventually, the relationship turns into just another hassle, another burden. Some turn to work, another form of slavery, to escape the marriage-slavery at home. It's a relentless cycle.

Marriage-slavery also helps ensure a more efficient, reliable society. The wife usually requires a decent standard of living. A decent car, decent house, decent clothes, brand name foods, etc. Why? Because T.V. and media says you're supposed to. So the male has to work hard to provide said goods. This keeps the male hard at work -- hard at work for the rich people, earning them profit -- just so he can maintain a relationship. But the interesting thing is, now females are expected to contribute just as much as the males. More contribution is required to support and maintain all this new stuff people want.. it is required to support the new, escalated, self-imposed slavery.
People aren't necessarily happier now. But they are busier. It's just business. Business. Or slavery.

And so these aspects of society - education, work and marriage - are held in the highest regards to keep people in order. To keep people under control. To keep people under the thumb of the real movers and shakers (the rich and affluent). Education, work and marriage are stressed and held on pedestals to ensure things go "smoothly". Because if it wasn't for greed and the required effort to sustain it, we would be miserable savages fighting each other in the dirt. Or so you should believe.
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:42 AM

What a bizarre mix of psuedo-socialist, sexist tripe.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:43 AM

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:43 AM

What a bizarre mix of psuedo-socialist, sexist tripe.

Then actually debate it and prove your assertion.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:45 AM

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:54 AM

 

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.

 

 

We need mathematics, history, science. Why is that "control" to you? Don't want to serve someone else? f*ck it, stay home, smoke a bowl, and eat a bag of Doritos. I hope you're not promoting anarchy, or anarchist-socialism, neither of those systems would ever work. Government is there for a reason, while there should be as little as possible to maximize freedoms, certain things are a necessity.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:57 AM

What a bizarre mix of psuedo-socialist, sexist tripe.

And I am not a socialist. I believe the individual is of central importance.

Also, please explain to me how this post was sexist. Isn't the male largely viewed as the "bread winner"? Hasn't it been viewed that way for decades (centuries)? So, is my societal observation actually sexist? Or just that.. simply an observation?

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:59 AM

Education-true education, that is, is about as far from slavery as one can get. I'll agree to some extent that primary and secondary education serve the primary purpose of familiarising people enough with basic concepts to perform a functioning economic and societal role, but they also contribute to the development of very individual-centric interpretive analysis and comprehension which is the primary driving force behind voluntary education.

If discourse on independent learning and analysis was unified around the sole aim of creating subservient beings, then one would expect very little nuace or distinction in expression of views and analysis of hypotheses, but even the most cursory glance across the academic landscape highlights how utterly absurd this notion is. The mere existence of reputable competing political, economic and social theories from disparate and often contradictory schools of intellectual thought is insurmountable, undeniable proof that academia and by association tertiary/higher education are both voluntary and non-prescriptive.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:02 AM


 

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.
 
 
We need mathematics, history, science. Why is that "control" to you? Don't want to serve someone else? f*ck it, stay home, smoke a bowl, and eat a bag of Doritos. I hope you're not promoting anarchy, or anarchist-socialism, neither of those systems would ever work. Government is there for a reason, while there should be as little as possible to maximize freedoms, certain things are a necessity.
Actually, no, we don't. We don't require mathematics, or science or history. Those things are luxuries. Life exists without math. Without science. Without history. These things are simply observations conveyed by man. They are secondary to existence. Existence existed, then these human concepts came to be.

Yes. Government is there for a reason. To remind us all that we require babysitters because we cannot operate on our own. We cannot be responsible humans without a superior entity holding our hands. Be it a god or a government.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:10 AM

 

 

 

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.
 
 
We need mathematics, history, science. Why is that "control" to you? Don't want to serve someone else? f*ck it, stay home, smoke a bowl, and eat a bag of Doritos. I hope you're not promoting anarchy, or anarchist-socialism, neither of those systems would ever work. Government is there for a reason, while there should be as little as possible to maximize freedoms, certain things are a necessity.
Actually, no, we don't. We don't require mathematics, or science or history. Those things are luxuries. Life exists without math. Without science. Without history. These things are simply observations conveyed by man. They are secondary to existence. Existence existed, then these human concepts came to be.

Yes. Government is there for a reason. To remind us all that we require babysitters because we cannot operate on our own. We cannot be responsible humans without a superior entity holding our hands. Be it a god or a government.

 

 

Sure, go on without medicine, water filtration systems, etc. Small Pox, Polio, and the Bubonic Plague cured themselves. I quite enjoy having the possibility of living to 70 instead of 16. Do you think we'd (the human race) would be better off without mathematics, science, or history?


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:12 AM

education is the opposite of slavery.

your views on marriage are misogynistic at best and misanthropic at worst.

 

I'm gonna' have to agree with Max.

the OP is mostly pretentious drivel.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:12 AM

Education-true education, that is, is about as far from slavery as one can get. I'll agree to some extent that primary and secondary education serve the primary purpose of familiarising people enough with basic concepts to perform a functioning economic and societal role, but they also contribute to the development of very individual-centric interpretive analysis and comprehension which is the primary driving force behind voluntary education.

If discourse on independent learning and analysis was unified around the sole aim of creating subservient beings, then one would expect very little nuace or distinction in expression of views and analysis of hypotheses, but even the most cursory glance across the academic landscape highlights how utterly absurd this notion is. The mere existence of reputable competing political, economic and social theories from disparate and often contradictory schools of intellectual thought is insurmountable, undeniable proof that academia and by association tertiary/higher education are both voluntary and non-prescriptive.

Sure. You can have different views. You can even debate among those. But you still must pay taxes. You still must go to school (or your parents to court).

Education. What is education? Does one even need "education" to really learn? Of course education usually entails some superior figure telling you what you should believe. Or tossing ideas around that others have formulated. Education? Education, or is that memorization? Is that learning? Is memorizing ruts of the past innovative? Or is it just repetition?

Education does not feed into a "individual-centric" lifestyle. Education teaches one to be a good consumer. It teaches one that it's okay to turn to others for every good you desire to possess. Earn x amount of money to purchase y product. Learn x material so you can produce y object in the factory for the boss.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:12 AM Edited by sivispacem, 04 November 2013 - 10:22 AM.

What a load of pseudointellectual nonsense. Life is basically a product of mathematics, science and history so I find it totally unbelievable that you are ignorant to this.

You clearly have a very odd understanding of what education is. Your interpretation, as I understand it, that education is only education when it's prescribed by an authority. This is self-defeating logic as you are trying to arbitrarily define a fluid concept in such a way that it suits your argument, rather than actually using an accepted/understood definition. Education can be individual centric and driven by nothing more that curiosity and interest.

The rest of your response contains a great deal of text but nothing actually identifiable as a point. I struggle to understand anything other than the basic premise- that you don't know what education is and therefore think it a creation of some vague "authority", when in actuality it is, at its simplest, just a method of identifying interactions between societal members and from individuals to the world around them.

What you describe may be your interpretation of the education system, but you've not provided anything that clarifies why this interpretation is valid.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:15 AM

 

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.

 

Well, I guess that's why fanaticisms, especially mention to the religious one, spread easier between poor uneducated people. Or dicatorships, or even "democratic" governments have less oposition between that people without education and knowledge around their history and social and politic enviroment. Same goes for the labor exploitation.

 

Taxes are part of what the  model of society I guess you live in needs to work. How else would the roads, public services you use be maintained?

 

If you don't like taxes, government, school, etc. I recommend you to go to some place without any kind of government, like Somalia, and tell us if things are better that way.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:16 AM


 

 

 

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.
 
 
We need mathematics, history, science. Why is that "control" to you? Don't want to serve someone else? f*ck it, stay home, smoke a bowl, and eat a bag of Doritos. I hope you're not promoting anarchy, or anarchist-socialism, neither of those systems would ever work. Government is there for a reason, while there should be as little as possible to maximize freedoms, certain things are a necessity.
Actually, no, we don't. We don't require mathematics, or science or history. Those things are luxuries. Life exists without math. Without science. Without history. These things are simply observations conveyed by man. They are secondary to existence. Existence existed, then these human concepts came to be.

Yes. Government is there for a reason. To remind us all that we require babysitters because we cannot operate on our own. We cannot be responsible humans without a superior entity holding our hands. Be it a god or a government.
 
 
Sure, go on without medicine, water filtration systems, etc. Small Pox, Polio, and the Bubonic Plague cured themselves. I quite enjoy having the possibility of living to 70 instead of 16. Do you think we'd (the human race) would be better off without mathematics, science, or history?
Death still exists. We all will still die, despite humanity's omnipotent grip on life. Sure. Vaccinations allow a few more years of work and bill payment. If one isn't happy with 16 years, how could they with 70?

Math, science and history is what it is. People still aren't happy with things. At least they aren't happIER. We want to improve even more. And so on with this neverending cycle of improvement. If only we were happy with things originally.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:19 AM

What a load of pseudointellectual nonsense. Life is basically a product of mathematics, science and history so I find it totally unbelievable that you are ignorant to this.

Math, science and history are simply observations of man. Prove otherwise.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:23 AM


 

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.
 
Well, I guess that's why fanaticisms, especially mention to the religious one, spread easier between poor uneducated people. Or dicatorships, or even "democratic" governments have less oposition between that people without education and knowledge around their history and social and politic enviroment. Same goes for the labor exploitation.
 
Taxes are part of what the  model of society I guess you live in needs to work. How else would the roads, public services you use be maintained?
 
If you don't like taxes, government, school, etc. I recommend you to go to some place without any kind of government, like Somalia, and tell us if things are better that way.
But roads, public services, school, etc., are not actually necessary. It is part of our self-imposed slavery as I mentioned in my original post. We weren't happy with things originally and now we're in an even bigger mess. And we're not even that much happier.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:23 AM Edited by Vlynor, 04 November 2013 - 10:24 AM.

 

Education-true education, that is, is about as far from slavery as one can get. I'll agree to some extent that primary and secondary education serve the primary purpose of familiarising people enough with basic concepts to perform a functioning economic and societal role, but they also contribute to the development of very individual-centric interpretive analysis and comprehension which is the primary driving force behind voluntary education.

If discourse on independent learning and analysis was unified around the sole aim of creating subservient beings, then one would expect very little nuace or distinction in expression of views and analysis of hypotheses, but even the most cursory glance across the academic landscape highlights how utterly absurd this notion is. The mere existence of reputable competing political, economic and social theories from disparate and often contradictory schools of intellectual thought is insurmountable, undeniable proof that academia and by association tertiary/higher education are both voluntary and non-prescriptive.

Sure. You can have different views. You can even debate among those. But you still must pay taxes. You still must go to school (or your parents to court).

Education does not feed into a "individual-centric" lifestyle. Education teaches one to be a good consumer. It teaches one that it's okay to turn to others for every good you desire to possess. Earn x amount of money to purchase y product. Learn x material so you can produce y object in the factory for the boss.

 

 

Honestly, I do want to know, what's your political ideology, or at least, your closest one?

 

And yes, you have to pay taxes, we need police, fire departments, ambulances, armed forces, schools, etc. If my home is burning down, I want to be able to save it, if I have a heart attack, I want to have a quick response, etc.

 

Are you angry that you learn economics? Why is it a problem to rely on someone else to make something? That's how things get done.

 

 

But roads, public services, school, etc., are not actually necessary. It is part of our self-imposed slavery as I mentioned in my original post. We weren't happy with things originally and now we're in an even bigger mess. And we're not even that much happier.

 

 

You seem to just want to resort to being a caveman.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:25 AM

education is the opposite of slavery.
your views on marriage are misogynistic at best and misanthropic at worst.
 
I'm gonna' have to agree with Max.
the OP is mostly pretentious drivel.

My view on marriage is a societal observation. Please demonstrate how I am wrong. Does the woman wear the pants in the relationship? Does the man want that? Oh, that's right, it's equal.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:26 AM

 

 

 

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.
 
Well, I guess that's why fanaticisms, especially mention to the religious one, spread easier between poor uneducated people. Or dicatorships, or even "democratic" governments have less oposition between that people without education and knowledge around their history and social and politic enviroment. Same goes for the labor exploitation.
 
Taxes are part of what the  model of society I guess you live in needs to work. How else would the roads, public services you use be maintained?
 
If you don't like taxes, government, school, etc. I recommend you to go to some place without any kind of government, like Somalia, and tell us if things are better that way.
But roads, public services, school, etc., are not actually necessary. It is part of our self-imposed slavery as I mentioned in my original post. We weren't happy with things originally and now we're in an even bigger mess. And we're not even that much happier.

 

So I guess what you are seeking is a primitive society, right?


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:29 AM

-people were unhappy...

-People still aren't happy. They won't be....
-eventually, the relationship turns into just another hassle, another burden...

-The wife usually requires a decent standard of living.

-People aren't necessarily happier now...
-Education is there to produce good slaves...

-Earn x amount of money to purchase y product. Learn x material so you can produce y object in the factory for the boss...

-Death still exists. We all will still die...

-If one isn't happy with 16 years, how could they with 70...
-People still aren't happy...

holy sh*t dude.

I'm certainly no psychoanalyst but I just have to ask; were you born yesterday or do you just practice the whole vapid, self-righteous, pseudo-intellectual, loner charade in the mirror? because you've got it nailed down brother. this is the kind of sad, lonely diatribe that Ted Kaczynski would be proud of.

 

you don't happen to own a cabin, do you?

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:30 AM

What a load of pseudointellectual nonsense. Life is basically a product of mathematics, science and history so I find it totally unbelievable that you are ignorant to this.

Math, science and history are simply observations of man. Prove otherwise.

This is a fallacious combination of solipsist logic and a negative proof. The fact that only what can be observed is knowable does not mean that things that have not been observed do not exist. The burden of proof lies on the shoulders of the dissenter.

Things that are observable, demonstrable and explainable are empirically true as far as it is possible to determine. Scientific, mathematical and historic concepts can only be dismissed as merely products of individual observation as long as one assumes that nothing exists outside of their own mind. Solipsism is irrefutable but indefensible. It's the philosophical equivalent of burying your head in the sand. It contributes absolutely nothing to the entire doctrine.

It is your burden to demonstrate that what is known and understood through observatio, and what can be demonstrated through action, is solely a product of the observer and not of the observed.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:33 AM

 

What a bizarre mix of psuedo-socialist, sexist tripe.

Then actually debate it and prove your assertion.

 

 

With gusto.

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Right off the bat your argument opens itself to criticism when you warn us all of impending truth, and then fail to back up your argument with a single credible source or academic theory.

 

 

The aspects of society held in the highest regard are forms of slavery. Moreover, they are largely self-imposed.

This may sound terribly intellectual but the only feeble examples you give are marriage, and work, which are not the be all and end all of highly regarded social undertakings. What about art? Literature? How are these forms of slavery? Furthermore, you create something of a contradiction for your later argument by asserting that this slavery is self-imposed, and then going on to blame 'rich people' for it. Are we forced into unwitting slavery or do we impose it upon ourselves? 

 

 

Education is a form of slavery. You don't voluntarily partake of this.. rather societal influences force you to participate...

Of course you are forced to go to school when you're young. The alternative is a horde of illiterate man-children incapable of formulating and communicating basic thoughts and emotions. The key is that it is your parents, not some industrialist slave driver making this choice for you. And it is natural and right that responsible parents encourage their children to get an education, we instinctively try and ensure the success of our offspring and now that society has (largely) moved on from bludgeoning each other with blunt objects a good strategy for the success of your progeny is to ensure that they are smart. 

 

Education is not for your benefit. It is for the industry's benefit. Education is there to produce good slaves for the rich people. I mean workers. Yeah.

Complete bollocks. If this was the case the education system would be stripped down to basic reading, writing and mathematics before all the 11 year olds moved onto classes in operating heavy machinery, correctly inputting data to Microsoft Excel and how to lay bricks. Instead, education offers the chance for a child to pursue a myriad of subjects which broaden their mind and allow them to engage in critical thinking, which is sort of what you're attempting to do. The problem with school choice is, that many children are not taking certain classes which has a significant effect on their future (http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED414628). In fact, rather damingly for your argument many students are foregoing industrially useful classes such as mathematics, physics and chemistry. If industrialists had such a tight control on society and education wouldn't they ensure they had enough correctly educated slaves?    

 

 

And why did industry flourish as it did? Because people were unhappy with what was naturally. They had to reshape and reform their environment just to be content with it. Self-imposed slavery. And guess what. People still aren't happy. They won't be.

I'm not even sure you know what you're trying to say here.

 

Marriage is also a form of slavery. The good old "ball and chain". What is odd about this, however, is that initially people want and desire an exclusive relationship. They expend great effort attempting to secure a marriage or relationship. But eventually, the relationship turns into just another hassle, another burden. Some turn to work, another form of slavery, to escape the marriage-slavery at home. It's a relentless cycle.

Yes, people do put a lot of effort into making exclusive relationships work. This again goes back to ensuring the safe survival of your genetic material. Two responsible adults working together to protect and provide for a family is going to be an advantage over a single adult. However why does this arrangement necessarily lead to resentment? Are you suggesting that men and women are incapable of having a meaningful and deeply loving relationship? Who/what are you suggesting becomes a burden? The woman? The arrangement? Exclusivity?

 

This all strikes me as the dark and pathetic ramblings of a man who has never had a fulfilling or reciprocal relationship with a woman and therefore constructs a social framework which must exist on which to blame his inherent loneliness. It is all socially driven slavery which you have risen above. Am I right?

 

 The wife usually requires a decent standard of living. A decent car, decent house, decent clothes, brand name foods, etc. Why? Because T.V. and media says you're supposed to. So the male has to work hard to provide said goods. This keeps the male hard at work -- hard at work for the rich people, earning them profit -- just so he can maintain a relationship.

Because all women only want a man for the size of his wallet and are incapable of forming relationships which do have a sound financial platform? Come on, who hurt you buddy?


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:37 AM


 

Education-true education, that is, is about as far from slavery as one can get. I'll agree to some extent that primary and secondary education serve the primary purpose of familiarising people enough with basic concepts to perform a functioning economic and societal role, but they also contribute to the development of very individual-centric interpretive analysis and comprehension which is the primary driving force behind voluntary education.

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Sure. You can have different views. You can even debate among those. But you still must pay taxes. You still must go to school (or your parents to court).
Education does not feed into a "individual-centric" lifestyle. Education teaches one to be a good consumer. It teaches one that it's okay to turn to others for every good you desire to possess. Earn x amount of money to purchase y product. Learn x material so you can produce y object in the factory for the boss.
 
 
Honestly, I do want to know, what's your political ideology, or at least, your closest one?
 
And yes, you have to pay taxes, we need police, fire departments, ambulances, armed forces, schools, etc. If my home is burning down, I want to be able to save it, if I have a heart attack, I want to have a quick response, etc.
 
Are you angry that you learn economics? Why is it a problem to rely on someone else to make something? That's how things get done.
I don't care about politics. They seem to be a waste of time. Besides. Politics usually imply meddling in someone else's business, and I'm against that myself.

Actually, we don't need any of that stuff. Life and existence are, and was, without all that you mentioned. And we still have problems. Many. We will still die. The ambulance, fire squad, etc, can't change that.

It is a problem relying on others (for nearly everything in life) because ultimately others aren't responsible for us. We tell ourselves we are self-sufficient. But we aren't.

It is a problem relying on others because others must be manipulated or conditioned to do these things. As I said in my original post, people don't really do these things voluntarily.. they do these things because of societal influence.

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#25

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:37 AM

This all strikes me as the dark and pathetic ramblings of a man who has never had a fulfilling or reciprocal relationship

 

Come on, who hurt you buddy?

 

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#26

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:40 AM

 

 

Long ago, as industry began to flourish, industrial leaders realized they needed a more coherent, uniform group of employees. They needed better workers. Workers that could quickly and efficiently complete tasks. This is where education comes in. The rich, affluent industrial leaders helped construct a broad, "authorized" educational platform. Public education. (Of course private education largely follows the same path too.) Education is not for your benefit. It is for the industry's benefit.

But if it benefits the industry, it in turn will benefit you because you will be climbing further up the industrial ladder.

 

 

 

Actually, no, we don't. We don't require mathematics, or science or history. Those things are luxuries. Life exists without math. Without science. Without history. These things are simply observations conveyed by man. They are secondary to existence. Existence existed, then these human concepts came to be.

But who wouldn't want luxuries? I am glad that we have nice couches, television, mobile phones, smart phones, refrigeration units, houses, convenient structures that provide all sorts of luxuries, cars, bikes, motorbikes, roads, all of that. If you don't want those things, why don't you just purchase a large block of land in the middle of nowhere and remove all utilities, and live there on the land with nothing but you and your life. You may live as a caveman if you wish. I'll stay here with my iphone.

 

 

 

Math, science and history are simply observations of man. Prove otherwise. 

Are you serious right now? Are you saying there is no such thing as history? That the past doesn't exist? 
Math and science are not necessarily how things work, I mean it's not like gravity is a bunch of numbers wizzing around. But Math and science are like a translation of the universe into a language that humans can understand.

What do you mean prove it to you? If you understood math or science you would understand proof when it was laid before you, it all has been proven, why don't you go find the millions of peer reviewed laws of the universe and concepts, theories and all that sh*t, and go and read them, there's your proof, we can't simply provide it in this topic though because to do so you would require an understanding, and clearly you lack one. 

I like that you question everything, but you can only really do that if you have the knowledge to do so, it sounds like a bit of a paradox, but that's just how it is. I can see where you're coming from, but I do not think you are correct.


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#27

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:40 AM


 

 

 

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.
 
Well, I guess that's why fanaticisms, especially mention to the religious one, spread easier between poor uneducated people. Or dicatorships, or even "democratic" governments have less oposition between that people without education and knowledge around their history and social and politic enviroment. Same goes for the labor exploitation.
 
Taxes are part of what the  model of society I guess you live in needs to work. How else would the roads, public services you use be maintained?
 
If you don't like taxes, government, school, etc. I recommend you to go to some place without any kind of government, like Somalia, and tell us if things are better that way.
But roads, public services, school, etc., are not actually necessary. It is part of our self-imposed slavery as I mentioned in my original post. We weren't happy with things originally and now we're in an even bigger mess. And we're not even that much happier.
 
So I guess what you are seeking is a primitive society, right?
Not for others.

It's strange one can't even express their views without others thinking they wish to implement these lifestyles upon the populous.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:43 AM

 

 

 

Education-true education, that is, is about as far from slavery as one can get. I'll agree to some extent that primary and secondary education serve the primary purpose of familiarising people enough with basic concepts to perform a functioning economic and societal role, but they also contribute to the development of very individual-centric interpretive analysis and comprehension which is the primary driving force behind voluntary education.

If discourse on independent learning and analysis was unified around the sole aim of creating subservient beings, then one would expect very little nuace or distinction in expression of views and analysis of hypotheses, but even the most cursory glance across the academic landscape highlights how utterly absurd this notion is. The mere existence of reputable competing political, economic and social theories from disparate and often contradictory schools of intellectual thought is insurmountable, undeniable proof that academia and by association tertiary/higher education are both voluntary and non-prescriptive.

Sure. You can have different views. You can even debate among those. But you still must pay taxes. You still must go to school (or your parents to court).
Education does not feed into a "individual-centric" lifestyle. Education teaches one to be a good consumer. It teaches one that it's okay to turn to others for every good you desire to possess. Earn x amount of money to purchase y product. Learn x material so you can produce y object in the factory for the boss.
 
 
Honestly, I do want to know, what's your political ideology, or at least, your closest one?
 
And yes, you have to pay taxes, we need police, fire departments, ambulances, armed forces, schools, etc. If my home is burning down, I want to be able to save it, if I have a heart attack, I want to have a quick response, etc.
 
Are you angry that you learn economics? Why is it a problem to rely on someone else to make something? That's how things get done.
I don't care about politics. They seem to be a waste of time. Besides. Politics usually imply meddling in someone else's business, and I'm against that myself.
 

 

Government and taxes are a necessity, how much is needed is debatable. I can understand not being interested in politics, especially as of late.

 

 

Actually, we don't need any of that stuff. Life and existence are, and was, without all that you mentioned. And we still have problems. Many. We will still die. The ambulance, fire squad, etc, can't change that.

 

We do to maintain our current standard of living. We'll never go back to the caveman-era like you seem to want.

 

It is a problem relying on others because others must be manipulated or conditioned to do these things. As I said in my original post, people don't really do these things voluntarily.. they do these things because of societal influence.

 

It's not a problem for me, I quite like being able to get a job and afford things I want. I have no problem working 8 hours instead of hunting so I can buy myself some food or maybe pay some bills. You're never forced to work. You can be homeless and wander around if you want, you can grow your own food if you want, etc. No one forces you to contribute to our economic system.


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#29

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:44 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Without education you become a brainless machine easily manipulable.

I guess this is why you must work under others to serve others. I guess this is why you must pay taxes to support your own supervision and control.
 
Well, I guess that's why fanaticisms, especially mention to the religious one, spread easier between poor uneducated people. Or dicatorships, or even "democratic" governments have less oposition between that people without education and knowledge around their history and social and politic enviroment. Same goes for the labor exploitation.
 
Taxes are part of what the  model of society I guess you live in needs to work. How else would the roads, public services you use be maintained?
 
If you don't like taxes, government, school, etc. I recommend you to go to some place without any kind of government, like Somalia, and tell us if things are better that way.
But roads, public services, school, etc., are not actually necessary. It is part of our self-imposed slavery as I mentioned in my original post. We weren't happy with things originally and now we're in an even bigger mess. And we're not even that much happier.
 
So I guess what you are seeking is a primitive society, right?
Not for others.

It's strange one can't even express their views without others thinking they wish to implement these lifestyles upon the populous.

 

 Well, it's up to you start living that way, alone, uneducated, without internet, health care or any other "imposed" system. We are just saying that everything you are stating is a bunch of ignorant bullsh*t.


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#30

Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:45 AM

It's strange one can't even express their views without others thinking they wish to implement these lifestyles upon the populous.

Wait so you just wanted to hit us with some 'truth' and then didn't expect us to call you on it or question your reasoning? We're not worried that you're about to smash the system, but you opened a debate.





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