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Posted 03 December 2013 - 02:41 PM

 

 

As Trevor's final boss instead of just

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like an idiot... I feel like the could've used The Lost a lot more into the story than just the f*cking beginning, did they rush it too much and decided just to kill of Johnny?? Or did Rockstar just wanted to prove how much of a badass Trevor was by single-handily kill The Lost? It would've definitely been a better story than f*cking Devon...

I didn't even like Johnny, but the way they treated his character was extremely horrid writing. The Lost and Damned died at the end of that DLC. Johnny left behind his past, he showed promise. But instead of getting his business together, Rockstar decided to move him, and the entire DEAD Lost and Damned crew out in the rear end of nowhere for some reason. Luis and Tony would've made a lot more sense to make a cameo in this game, because L.A. has a pretty decent nightlife from what I've seen.

 

 

Well said. If Luis was killed, it would of made far more sense. Trevor is more than likely a white supremacist and it seemed appropriate if Luis was killed instead. But then again, Blaine County isn't the kind of place where nightclub bouncers live in. Johnny was made out to look like a pussy and that just isn't correct.

 

Uh, you can hold it right there, son. Where's your evidence that Trevor is a "white supremacist"??? What's that?? You don't have any because you're full of sh*t you say??? Trevor hung around with Franklin and Lamar, and even helped them---something that a "white supremacist" would hardly do. But if you're gonna go with that horsesh*t, then if Trevor 'was' a "white supremacist", he would have every right to go after Johnny because Johnny was jew/khazar. And Blaine County is the perfect place for bouncers to live in. You don't know what you're talkin' about. Johnny looked like a pussy because he was around real men and that's what happens when you play with the big boys. I don't get why you an d Goldcard are so butthurt about this. There's no going back. What's done is done and it was a great decision on R*'s part, IMO. One of the few things that R* did right.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 06:17 PM

I think Atomic just doesn't like Johnny because he is Jewish. Look at some of his past posts. 

 

I liked TLAD but Johnny is a prime example of what happens to a man when he lets a woman ruin him. He could have just walked away when Trevor was doing his girl and things would have been okay. He could have moved LS without her and opened up a place on Vespucci Beach and things would have been great but he let his tweaker GF suck every ounce of manhood he had and this is the result. At that point Trevor just stopped a corpse from moving. 

 

Trevor is not a racist either. He hates everybody except for a few people who gain his respect.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 06:44 PM

Instead of Johnny,Luis should have been killed.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 06:45 PM Edited by woggleman, 03 December 2013 - 06:46 PM.

I would have liked to see Mori brutally tortured than murdered.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 07:03 PM

Because they wanted to make a point with him: drug addiction cripples even the strongest of people.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:00 PM

In stories these days, someone always has to die in an unexpected, and sometimes dumb way. Klebitz was unlucky and ended up being that guy.

 

Though, making a previous protagonist an antagonist is a really cool idea. I would take Klebitz as the bad guy over Douchin Weston any day.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 12:24 AM

One image that keeps running through my head is a loading screen artwork featuring Johnny sitting on a parked Hexer, holding a sawed-off and scowling with several members of the Lost on their bikes and some Lost MC vans parked behind them with the desert as a backdrop.
 

 

Huh? Johnny artwork in the GTA V era? If you're not mistaken about this, link me this sh*t.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:05 AM

Johnny was a f*cking pussy, both in IV and especially V.

 

Deal with it.

 

you just called the man who

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a pussy.

 

the only reason he magically turned into a pussy in V is because the writers were dumb.

 

listen man, i dunno WHAT kind of drug you are taking, but whatever it is, CAN I HAVE SOME OF IT PLEASE?! 

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:09 AM Edited by nobum62, 04 December 2013 - 04:11 AM.

Because they wanted to make a point with him: drug addiction cripples even the strongest of people.

trevor does drugs.

 

besides, if i wanted to learn about the dangers of drugs i won't do it by asking the writers to have my fave character from a game magically turn into an out-of-character methhead pussy who gets killed by a random hillbilly

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:30 AM

I wonder how people would've felt had it been CJ that got killed by Trevor.

 

they would have gone apesh*t and burned dan houser's house.

 

they would have also kidnapped dan and put him in a torture chamber to torture him.

 

however, kill a different protagonist and the cj fans won't even acknowledge it

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:36 AM

The magic of the GTA world is that it is exactly that - a world. In one motion we can witness the story of one character, but in the whole context of the GTA world, just like our real lives in the real world, it means nothing. Johnny was important to us in TLAD, but he isn't important to the world. He doesn't deserve any special treatment over any type of character, and I love that they actually have the balls to represent this, at the end of the day, there's always this realisation that the characters we play as aren't super powered magical heroes, they're just skilled criminals who get lucky or unlucky for a bit.  


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:37 AM Edited by nobum62, 04 December 2013 - 04:45 AM.

Johnny and Niko are grim and realistic, they don't steal top secret goo cor hippies or metro cars for Arab billionaires, but they make up for it with all the memorable events and dialouge. IV was unfortunately criticized for being "too serious".



And the end of the day, people really are just vouching for the characters that are vouching for their games. As it stands with the general public, zainy gameplay is always going to be favored over a good story.
With all that's planned for DLC and the GTA$, we can really see Rockstar is following the money-grubbing CoD route; shotty, over-hyped, bland, gimmicky single-player, and the multiplayer that'll leech off the player base over time.
Here's hoping for Mafia III, or someone else to pick up the biker genre without pissing all over it like Ride to Hell.

 

 

eh, my favorite protagonist is johnny, however my favorite game is not TLAD, it's IV.

 
"With all that's planned for DLC and the GTA$, we can really see Rockstar is following the money-grubbing CoD route; shotty, over-hyped, bland, gimmicky single-player, and the multiplayer that'll leech off the player base over time."
 
f*ck, this sh*t is scaring me. first mass effect is being f*cked by money-grubbing assholes, now grand theft auto? FML.   :sui:
 

 

P.S. i'd click "Like This" on all of the comments saying johnny's death was bullsh*t, but i get that annoying pointless message saying, "You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day".

 

 

Instead of Johnny,Luis should have been killed.

 

 

eh, if they killed luis in an out-of-character way, i'd still be mad. 

 

i mean, imagine if luis was out-of-character. luis would be saying "OYE, MEAT EATERS AND PET OWNERS ARE F*CKING SATANISTS BRO" and ditches tony to become president of PETA. then 5 years later we see luis in a cutscene, then he falls down the stairs and breaks his neck within one minute. that would be out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:48 AM

 

Johnny was a f*cking pussy, both in IV and especially V.

 

Deal with it.

 

you just called the man who

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a pussy.

 

the only reason he magically turned into a pussy in V is because the writers were dumb.

 

listen man, i dunno WHAT kind of drug you are taking, but whatever it is, CAN I HAVE SOME OF IT PLEASE?! 

 

A lot can happen in 5 years. Johnny got hooked on meth, it screwed him up, and made him weak.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:12 AM Edited by FearTheLiving, 04 December 2013 - 07:13 AM.

My thoughts, and why The Lost, Johnny, Clay, and Terry shouldn't have even been in SA. 

 

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 09:29 AM

One image that keeps running through my head is a loading screen artwork featuring Johnny sitting on a parked Hexer, holding a sawed-off and scowling with several members of the Lost on their bikes and some Lost MC vans parked behind them with the desert as a backdrop.

 
Huh? Johnny artwork in the GTA V era? If you're not mistaken about this, link me this sh*t.
It's an image I wish was a loading screen. Doesn't actually exist, unfortunately.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 01:53 PM

 

 

Johnny was a f*cking pussy, both in IV and especially V.

 

Deal with it.

 

you just called the man who

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a pussy.

 

the only reason he magically turned into a pussy in V is because the writers were dumb.

 

listen man, i dunno WHAT kind of drug you are taking, but whatever it is, CAN I HAVE SOME OF IT PLEASE?! 

 

A lot can happen in 5 years. Johnny got hooked on meth, it screwed him up, and made him weak.

 

if that's the case, i'm gonna get a job at rockstar and write a scene in a DLC where luis would be saying "OYE, MEAT EATERS AND PET OWNERS ARE F*CKING SATANISTS BRO" and ditches tony to become president of PETA. then 5 years later we see luis in a cutscene, then he falls down the stairs and breaks his neck within one minute. what? a lot can happen in 5 years

 

seriously though, that would be out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 02:05 PM

>Johnny starts doing drugs. He is not Johnny any more. Now he is Meth Johhny.

>Meth Johnny goes back to Ashley, because they both like meth!

>Meth Johnny then calls his old buddies and says that the Lost are back and they move somewhere else to begin. Of course his friends are down because they don't have a mind of their own.

>They all do meth happily in San Andreas and somehow kill all the AoD.

 

The end.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 03:24 PM

This would be a good idea for a DLC pre-V.

Think about it, you play as some random biker, you help The Lost move from LC to SA and settle there, you then overtake AoD's territory, you become really ambitious and betray your President in a way nobody notices, you become the new president and notice all the power you have, you f*ck up The Lost and leave, now everyone is a meth addict, Trevor is p*ssed off with you (somehow) and knows you are The Lost's President, so he ends with your gang (this would be post-DLC, since the DLC would end with a cutscene where you talk with Johnny and notice he's f*cked up by meth, and then you go to the airport and leave)

What do you guys think?

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 04:15 PM

I really think they should create Episodes From Los Santos. WIth a biker gang, a drugdealer who finds a formula to create drugs and stripclubs :D 

Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad influences to create an awesome interstate (Las Venturas) drugsdeal empire...


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:20 PM

The magic of the GTA world is that it is exactly that - a world. In one motion we can witness the story of one character, but in the whole context of the GTA world, just like our real lives in the real world, it means nothing. Johnny was important to us in TLAD, but he isn't important to the world. He doesn't deserve any special treatment over any type of character, and I love that they actually have the balls to represent this, at the end of the day, there's always this realisation that the characters we play as aren't super powered magical heroes, they're just skilled criminals who get lucky or unlucky for a bit.  

 

You could argue that about CJ or Niko, but Rockstar would NEEEEEVER kill them. Why? Because it's fiction. Stealing secret goo with military jetpacks for hippies, storming a state pen and killing SWAT officer there, jumping off a dirt bike into a helicopter, driving a race bike from rooftop to rooftop just to promote a porno film, stealing a metro car with a cargo helicopter for billionaire Arab playboys facing off against Merryweather, police, and the army at once and surviving-

 

GTA's mission isn't to symbolically represent the "real world". The only GTA I felt took itself seriously was IV and TLaD, and not even to the highest extent that it could have. Fiction CAN be based in reality, but GTA's main purpose -which it has displayed game after game- is to entertain and delight. So, WHY kill Johnny? To show people "drugs are bad" or that "crime doesn't pay"? That's f*cking retarded. Why don't Michael and Franklin go get arrested in the U.D. Heist, get raped daily in Bollingbrook, and die a modest death as born-again Christians when they turn 83 in jail? All the while Trevor is institutionalized and has an emotional break-through, going on a supervised quest to apologize to Ron, Wade, and all he's wronged.

You know why that didn't happen? It's realistic, but it's a f*cking game. A game that threw a good portion of its fanbase under the bus for NO purpose I can figure out.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:26 PM

>Johnny starts doing drugs. He is not Johnny any more. Now he is Meth Johhny.

>Meth Johnny goes back to Ashley, because they both like meth!

>Meth Johnny then calls his old buddies and says that the Lost are back and they move somewhere else to begin. Of course his friends are down because they don't have a mind of their own.

>They all do meth happily in San Andreas and somehow kill all the AoD.

 

The end.

 

 

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:32 PM

I really think they should create Episodes From Los Santos. WIth a biker gang, a drugdealer who finds a formula to create drugs and stripclubs :D

Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad influences to create an awesome interstate (Las Venturas) drugsdeal empire...

 

It would be really cool, but I guarantee single-player DLCs are not gonna happen.

Despite EFLC and Undead Nightmare being HUUUUUGE successes, R* STILL said they didn't achieve the profits they anticipated, at least considering the work they put in.

 

Look at the game already. It was short, over-hyped, misconceived in trailers, and rushed. They don't give a f*ck; or if they do, I don't think they realize how little it is. DLCs will continue along the lines of GTA:O, some cheap California douche clothes and more ridiculous cars you can paint neon pink so you can drive around in them with your pink crotch-hugging shorts with a monkey mask on and pink Combat MG and waste everyone unprovoked. Hey, people pay MONEY for stupid, online fun like that. And how much effort did they need to put in for that? A LOT less than writing and modeling a whole Luis/Johnny/John Marston adventure.

 

All I want and still thinks is feasible is for R* to release SOMETHING, an email/Twitter/blog/forum post, either explaining or just blatantly apologizing for the way the TLaD characters were portrayed. They just don't give any f*cks about their TLaD fanbase because their insipid San Andreas fan base is shelling them all the big bucks.

I reckon they could make a million bucks just releasing some jetpack DLC they made in five minutes and charging like six bucks for it.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 09:24 PM

 

I really think they should create Episodes From Los Santos. WIth a biker gang, a drugdealer who finds a formula to create drugs and stripclubs :D

Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad influences to create an awesome interstate (Las Venturas) drugsdeal empire...

 

It would be really cool, but I guarantee single-player DLCs are not gonna happen.

Despite EFLC and Undead Nightmare being HUUUUUGE successes, R* STILL said they didn't achieve the profits they anticipated, at least considering the work they put in.

 

Look at the game already. It was short, over-hyped, misconceived in trailers, and rushed. They don't give a f*ck; or if they do, I don't think they realize how little it is. DLCs will continue along the lines of GTA:O, some cheap California douche clothes and more ridiculous cars you can paint neon pink so you can drive around in them with your pink crotch-hugging shorts with a monkey mask on and pink Combat MG and waste everyone unprovoked. Hey, people pay MONEY for stupid, online fun like that. And how much effort did they need to put in for that? A LOT less than writing and modeling a whole Luis/Johnny/John Marston adventure.

 

All I want and still thinks is feasible is for R* to release SOMETHING, an email/Twitter/blog/forum post, either explaining or just blatantly apologizing for the way the TLaD characters were portrayed. They just don't give any f*cks about their TLaD fanbase because their insipid San Andreas fan base is shelling them all the big bucks.

I reckon they could make a million bucks just releasing some jetpack DLC they made in five minutes and charging like six bucks for it.

 

i'd like your post but i've reached that annoying limit of how many posts you can like per day


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:01 AM

I think Atomic just doesn't like Johnny because he is Jewish. Look at some of his past posts. 

 

I think you, goldcard, and drunken cowboy only like him because he is jewish. So who would that make more wrong? Even if I didn't like him because he's jewish, so f*cking what. Jenny Klebitz is on the bottom of Trevors boot right where he belongs. Man you all are crazy on this sh*t. And the day that R* becomes a hipster and mixes a GTA game with Breaking Wind and Sons Of Assarchy, would be the day most GTA fans and R* would part ways. damn


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:08 AM

 

I think Atomic just doesn't like Johnny because he is Jewish. Look at some of his past posts. 

 

I think you, goldcard, and drunken cowboy only like him because he is jewish. So who would that make more wrong? Even if I didn't like him because he's jewish, so f*cking what. Jenny Klebitz is on the bottom of Trevors boot right where he belongs. Man you all are crazy on this sh*t. And the day that R* becomes a hipster and mixes a GTA game with Breaking Wind and Sons Of Assarchy, would be the day most GTA fans and R* would part ways. damn

 

That would be funny since I was raised as a Catholic  but I don't really follow any religion these days. I don't really care about his religious background but TLATD was a great game. It's just sad to see him let a woman drag him down like this. Ashley is a succubus  who sucked the life out of him and Trevor just finished what was left off.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:16 AM

 

 

I think Atomic just doesn't like Johnny because he is Jewish. Look at some of his past posts. 

 

I think you, goldcard, and drunken cowboy only like him because he is jewish. So who would that make more wrong? Even if I didn't like him because he's jewish, so f*cking what. Jenny Klebitz is on the bottom of Trevors boot right where he belongs. Man you all are crazy on this sh*t. And the day that R* becomes a hipster and mixes a GTA game with Breaking Wind and Sons Of Assarchy, would be the day most GTA fans and R* would part ways. damn

 

That would be funny since I was raised as a Catholic  but I don't really follow any religion these days. I don't really care about his religious background but TLATD was a great game. It's just sad to see him let a woman drag him down like this. Ashley is a succubus  who sucked the life out of him and Trevor just finished what was left off.

 

Smoke screen and whatever. I could care less about your religion, your beliefs, your dogs name---I don't care. You making bullsh*t accusations is what gets me. But whatever. Like I said. You think everybody's idiots.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:15 AM

You can say whatever you want to say. The only real reason why Johnny was killed in the game was so they can show the audience how big and bad Trevor is... In reality he's just a pre-teen stuck in a 40 year old body who moans and cries whenever he doesn't get it his way...

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:37 AM

In reality he's just a pre-teen stuck in a 40 year old body who moans and cries whenever he doesn't get it his way...


Like the people who moan and cry because Johnny died in a laughable way?
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Posted 30 December 2013 - 08:51 PM Edited by LeatherLion, 30 December 2013 - 08:55 PM.

WTF are you guys talking about? Johnny wasn't a pussy. He broke into prisons, saved prisoners, killed a politician and got away with it, stood up to himself against their drug addicted psycho douchebag leader (Billy). He was a real badass. He was wild and fearless. And if you thought he was afraid of Ray he wasn't. He was just using his mind. He was tougher than you internet pussies talking sh*t about him. And he never cried so i dont know why y'all keep saying that. Another thing is if it was Niko, CJ or Tommy then same thing could still happend. RIP Johnny - A True Outlaw
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Posted 30 December 2013 - 08:56 PM

It should have been Luis instead of Jonny with smashed head.





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