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Posted 23 October 2013 - 04:14 PM

is the next GTA going to be very limited and boring cause the new gen consoles are new for them? i was wondering that because their excuse to GTA IV being so boring and limited are because they didn't know how to handle the consoles


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 05:10 PM Edited by Dope_0110, 23 October 2013 - 05:12 PM.

Next gen consoles are more similar to PC so they will be easier to work with. Now it depends mostly on the engine choice. It could be that Rockstar will just update RAGE or maybe develop a completely new engine.

If they stay with RAGE then they already know the engine and won't have problems making a good game with plenty of content. If they make a new engine they may have to either delay the game while working on other titles trough which they will perfect the engine, or make a game with less polished feature.

Either way, IV was a HUGE step forward from SA. There will NEVER be another step as huge as that one was. The graphics will have more polygons and more shaders.. but the jump won't be nowhere near what they did between SA and IV. Then there were animation updates with them using Euphoria for the first time in IV and it gave them a lot of problems. Now they know how it all works and won't have those problems either.

All in all, I would expect the next GTA to be pretty similar to V and even if it does take away a few things, I think it will have a whole bunch of features to be more fun than IV was.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 05:28 PM

Well the next gen consoles will be out for at least 5 years before the next GTA comes out, so Im sure theyll know how to handle it by then


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:19 PM

Unless R* get innovative again with GTA 6, they will be left behind on next gen because there are other open-world crime games coming. One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea. If R* brings the same boring crap to the table again then they're done. Many other dev's are about to get some of that GTA-ish open world money. And these games won't be like Sants Row either. A lot better quality and physics. GTA & R* are in trouble in the future. But it's good for us. We won't be dependant on R* anymore and have to wait 6-8 years betyween games as we'll have "other options" --good options that will rival R*'s GTA in every way. I can't wait.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:21 PM

One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea.

 

:lol: What is it with you and this?

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:55 PM

 

One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea.

 

:lol: What is it with you and this?

 

I can't even find sh*t on Google about a game codenamed that. I do respect GTA's competition (e.g Watch Dogs, Saints Row) and feel it's necessary, but a game that codenames itself to try and destroy a rival? I need a source to believe it.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:32 PM

I think you should get a job....

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:54 PM

Unless R* get innovative again with GTA 6, they will be left behind on next gen because there are other open-world crime games coming. One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea. If R* brings the same boring crap to the table again then they're done. Many other dev's are about to get some of that GTA-ish open world money. And these games won't be like Sants Row either. A lot better quality and physics. GTA & R* are in trouble in the future. But it's good for us. We won't be dependant on R* anymore and have to wait 6-8 years betyween games as we'll have "other options" --good options that will rival R*'s GTA in every way. I can't wait.

Problem is those other sandbox games don't even come near the success of a GTA game and won't come in the near future, so it doesn't really matter if the next title will be innovative or not. GTA & R* will be in trouble? Hilarious, that's what they said about the COD series few years ago already but sales are dropping just now... slowly...too slow IMO.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:19 PM Edited by RockstarFanboy, 23 October 2013 - 08:21 PM.

I'm not a big fan of IV because they focused on graphics and storyline (which IMO is not what a GTA is about) but I kinda understand.... I mean the graphical evolution from SA to IV is insane... on the other hand a next gen GTA will of course have better graphics but I don't expect a graphical evolution like from SA to IV... dunno I think graphical evolutions in games from one generation to another are not that impressive anymore... Way back when the current-gen started and you compared a ps3 game to a ps2 you would be like "holy f*ck this looks epic"... of course if you look at a ps4 game now and compare it to ps3 you'll be like "wow" too but it's not the same "wow" that you had 6 years ago with the ps2-ps3 comparaison

 

Compare games like TLOU to Killzone or AC4 on PS4 gameplay... sure next-gen has better textures but in the end the things that will really diffrentiate next-gen from current-gen are the little details...


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:29 PM Edited by Dope_0110, 23 October 2013 - 08:29 PM.

Unless R* get innovative again with GTA 6, they will be left behind on next gen because there are other open-world crime games coming. One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea. If R* brings the same boring crap to the table again then they're done. Many other dev's are about to get some of that GTA-ish open world money. And these games won't be like Sants Row either. A lot better quality and physics. GTA & R* are in trouble in the future. But it's good for us. We won't be dependant on R* anymore and have to wait 6-8 years betyween games as we'll have "other options" --good options that will rival R*'s GTA in every way. I can't wait.

Umm.. yeah.. that's a lot of crap right there. There is no game codenamed GTA Killer, and there is also no other open world game that is serious competition to GTA currently, or in development.

Saints Row went in a whole different direction and they are no longer competition, Driver and True Crime/Sleeping Dogs franchises are nowhere near GTA. WD is a newbie that has the advantage of being developed to be a true next-gen game, but besides the technical stuff it doesn't seem to have the gameplay or features to be anywhere near GTA... so yeah, stop hating.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:06 PM

From a business standpoint, a brand new next-gen Gta is probably not in their best interest. Combing IV and V's maps etc is... 

If Gta V took 5 years to make, a true next-gen Gta would take longer, possibly much longer, harder to build, more sh*t to go wrong, and more complaints.

 

It's obvious they've concluded that it's just a major waste to throw away the existing maps when they can simply reuse and expand them. Open up Casinos, add more interiors, etc. It makes more sense to continually grow the 'existing' world (similar to World of Warcraft). Rather than having you beat GTA 6 single player in 2 weeks, and then go see what Cod, Fifa, Madden are offering.

 

Those companies copy/paste, add little improvements, and sell Yearly. And that's how its done. Ca-ching anyone?? Anyone like fast money? I do.

 

You young guys have to understand that these are Billion Dollar Businesses... They're led by guys in fancy Italian suits, driving Ferrari's 'IN THE REAL'. They don't play video games, and they are not your buddy.

 

The goal for any (successful) business is to hook you. Not for a couple of weeks, but for years... longer... And if you go broke/ turn into a neckbeard, become anti-social, and your family hates you, "OH WELL BRUH... Survival Of The Fittest. 


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:07 PM

I wonder what this GTA Killer he keeps mentioning is. Is it Watch Dogs?


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 01:01 AM

Pacman is the real GTA killer.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 01:06 AM

Unless R* get innovative again with GTA 6, they will be left behind on next gen because there are other open-world crime games coming. One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea. If R* brings the same boring crap to the table again then they're done. Many other dev's are about to get some of that GTA-ish open world money. And these games won't be like Sants Row either. A lot better quality and physics. GTA & R* are in trouble in the future. But it's good for us. We won't be dependant on R* anymore and have to wait 6-8 years betyween games as we'll have "other options" --good options that will rival R*'s GTA in every way. I can't wait.

Can't wait til the day this happens. These Cockstar pricks still thinks they are the best in the world yet giving us a half-complete game like GTA V. Shame on them.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 01:22 AM Edited by Khaos89, 24 October 2013 - 01:23 AM.

Unless R* get innovative again with GTA 6, they will be left behind on next gen because there are other open-world crime games coming. One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea. If R* brings the same boring crap to the table again then they're done. Many other dev's are about to get some of that GTA-ish open world money. And these games won't be like Sants Row either. A lot better quality and physics. GTA & R* are in trouble in the future. But it's good for us. We won't be dependant on R* anymore and have to wait 6-8 years betyween games as we'll have "other options" --good options that will rival R*'s GTA in every way. I can't wait.

Wrong, they will all be failures compared to GTA.

Saints Row tried and failed to take the crown, GTA is the greatest and original open world game.

Let's not forget their 16+ year old fan base.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:32 AM

 

Unless R* get innovative again with GTA 6, they will be left behind on next gen because there are other open-world crime games coming. One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea. If R* brings the same boring crap to the table again then they're done. Many other dev's are about to get some of that GTA-ish open world money. And these games won't be like Sants Row either. A lot better quality and physics. GTA & R* are in trouble in the future. But it's good for us. We won't be dependant on R* anymore and have to wait 6-8 years betyween games as we'll have "other options" --good options that will rival R*'s GTA in every way. I can't wait.

Wrong, they will all be failures compared to GTA.

Saints Row tried and failed to take the crown, GTA is the greatest and original open world game.

Let's not forget their 16+ year old fan base.

 

Yeah well that fan base might thin up a little if they keep doing the Money Seeking Whores with Online and DLC's.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:42 AM Edited by Gst0395, 24 October 2013 - 11:43 AM.

 

Unless R* get innovative again with GTA 6, they will be left behind on next gen because there are other open-world crime games coming. One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea. If R* brings the same boring crap to the table again then they're done. Many other dev's are about to get some of that GTA-ish open world money. And these games won't be like Sants Row either. A lot better quality and physics. GTA & R* are in trouble in the future. But it's good for us. We won't be dependant on R* anymore and have to wait 6-8 years betyween games as we'll have "other options" --good options that will rival R*'s GTA in every way. I can't wait.

Can't wait til the day this happens. These Cockstar pricks still thinks they are the best in the world yet giving us a half-complete game like GTA V. Shame on them.

The thing is though, I welcome the idea of GTA having competition but not the idiots who always try to take sides and start arguments over the two. I liked GTA V and I'm also buying Watch Dogs.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:32 PM

 

 

One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea.

 

:lol: What is it with you and this?

 

I can't even find sh*t on Google about a game codenamed that. I do respect GTA's competition (e.g Watch Dogs, Saints Row) and feel it's necessary, but a game that codenames itself to try and destroy a rival? I need a source to believe it.

 

I cannot give a source right yet, but don't worry. It's coming. I have a very close friend who's family member is part of the team working on it. He tells me little things and I'm very ecited by what was told. This is no BS. Next year you'll know exactly what I was talking about because it will be announced. I can't tell no more than that. It's serious and high quality. I can't wait to see it.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:55 PM

GTA IV > GTA V

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:04 PM

 

 

 

One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea.

 

:lol: What is it with you and this?

 

I can't even find sh*t on Google about a game codenamed that. I do respect GTA's competition (e.g Watch Dogs, Saints Row) and feel it's necessary, but a game that codenames itself to try and destroy a rival? I need a source to believe it.

 

I cannot give a source right yet, but don't worry. It's coming. I have a very close friend who's family member is part of the team working on it. He tells me little things and I'm very ecited by what was told. This is no BS. Next year you'll know exactly what I was talking about because it will be announced. I can't tell no more than that. It's serious and high quality. I can't wait to see it.

 

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:24 PM Edited by saintsrow, 24 October 2013 - 06:25 PM.

is the next GTA going to be very limited and boring cause the new gen consoles are new for them? i was wondering that because their excuse to GTA IV being so boring and limited are because they didn't know how to handle the consoles

 

The next GTA is going to be very limited and boring, but not because the new gen consoles are new for them.  Rather, I think that, with the exception of the beautiful virtual world art and design created by Aaron Garbut's team, the trend in problems we see with GTAV and GTA0 will continue to get worse in next gen: 

 

1.  Head creatives at Rockstar fancy themselves to be moviemakers, and have forgotten that they are in the open world video game business. 

 

2.  The head creatives at Rockstar are not very good story / script writers. 

 

3.  Movies made with machinima have nowhere near the engagement or emotional impact of real actors in real movies, especially when the directors for the voice actors and machinima production are not exceptionally good. 

 

4.  Designers of open world video games should be adding more open-ended game elements, interactions and physics in their video games, not less. 
 

4.  Since Online is all that matters, next GTA will be a single player game with 2 missions, and a introductory discount coupon for the online service. 

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:47 PM


 


One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea.

 
:lol: What is it with you and this?
 
I can't even find sh*t on Google about a game codenamed that. I do respect GTA's competition (e.g Watch Dogs, Saints Row) and feel it's necessary, but a game that codenames itself to try and destroy a rival? I need a source to believe it.
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Ehhh yeah that's not a thing.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:57 PM Edited by StingrayX, 24 October 2013 - 07:03 PM.

*nvm post, my phone glitched*

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:58 PM

No because we wont have another GTA game for at least 5 to 6 years. By that time, the next gen consoles will be in the middle of their life cycles. When GTA IV came out the PS3 and Xbox 360 were really new.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:02 PM

It's going to go like this, I am almost sure.

GTA VI will be hugely updated from V on the next generation consoles and everything will be improved. Some content wont arrive because they are still new to the engine they've created for VI. So the physics, graphics, story, and atmosphere will be awesome but then you'll habe the haters. People will be like, "Waaah so much is lacking, there isn't as much content as there was in V" even though the attention to detail and the overall feeling is improved. We'll have quantity over quality arguments and there will be a lot of hate topics about that.

So GTA 7 will be made a much more highly anticipated game and then they'll say "Oh we've built everything from the ground up" and that the world is diverse and driving feels like a racing game. Sooo, the game will come out and some of the stuff they said will be lies or cut. But the biggest thing is that the physics has changed only to suit those who want arcade physics. So there will be "OMG GTA VI is like totally unplayable right now" topics and then most of GTAF will be "OMG THE PHYSIX SUCK" and so on.

This will surely be repeated with GTA 8 and GTA 9. ;)

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:45 PM

Don't go changin', AtomicPunk.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:08 PM

Next gen consoles are more similar to PC so they will be easier to work with. Now it depends mostly on the engine choice. It could be that Rockstar will just update RAGE or maybe develop a completely new engine.

If they stay with RAGE then they already know the engine and won't have problems making a good game with plenty of content. If they make a new engine they may have to either delay the game while working on other titles trough which they will perfect the engine, or make a game with less polished feature.

Either way, IV was a HUGE step forward from SA. There will NEVER be another step as huge as that one was. The graphics will have more polygons and more shaders.. but the jump won't be nowhere near what they did between SA and IV. Then there were animation updates with them using Euphoria for the first time in IV and it gave them a lot of problems. Now they know how it all works and won't have those problems either.

All in all, I would expect the next GTA to be pretty similar to V and even if it does take away a few things, I think it will have a whole bunch of features to be more fun than IV was.

i think that the competition would be a good thing for rockstar.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:30 PM

 

 

 

One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea.

 

:lol: What is it with you and this?

 

I can't even find sh*t on Google about a game codenamed that. I do respect GTA's competition (e.g Watch Dogs, Saints Row) and feel it's necessary, but a game that codenames itself to try and destroy a rival? I need a source to believe it.

 

I cannot give a source right yet, but don't worry. It's coming. I have a very close friend who's family member is part of the team working on it. He tells me little things and I'm very ecited by what was told. This is no BS. Next year you'll know exactly what I was talking about because it will be announced. I can't tell no more than that. It's serious and high quality. I can't wait to see it.

 

I'm fine with competition, but I'm not interested in it if the game and it's fanbase are just going to brag about and compare it it GTA. I just want to enjoy games without childish people starting wars over them.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:58 PM

I don't see why they would sink money into developing a new engine when RAGE looks amazing and they will be able to use it on bigger and better hardware in next gen consoles. I mean this game looks phenomenal. I think really it all comes down to time and familiarity with the game engine.

 

To take a deeper look, historically it seems to be a 3 step process:

 

The First title in each universe (GTA1, GTA3, GTA4) establishes the tone for the series and the core mechanics.

- In GTA 1 we were introduced to the world of mayhem. A game where you stole cars and committed crimes, and it was like nothing you'd ever played before.

- In GTA III we were introduced to amazing 3d environments and an actual plotline with realized characters.

- In GTA IV we were given full physics interactions, cover systems, realistic environments and a story focused on the protagonist.

 

The Second title in each universe (GTA London, GTA VC, GTA V) expands upon the first title, usually using a time period as the mechanism.

- In GTA London well pretty much they used the UK and the 60's and added in more cars, weapons, and missions.

- In GTA Vice city we got Miami in the 80's with lots of homages to that time period and the protagonist became an actual person (with a voice and personality). We also got interiors (or a noticeable amount more).

- In GTA V we got San Andreas in the present day and lots of nods to stuff going on right now in the world. The story was tightly focused on the 3 protagonists and the physics, cover system, and realistic world (all introduced in IV) were refined.

 

The third title in each universe (GTA2, GTA SA) seem to be where everything comes together:

- In GTA 2 all previous systems were overhauled and interacting with the criminal elements in the world (gangs) was introduced.

- In GTA SA everything was expanded on from Vice City. Bigger world than any other title up to that point, More in depth story than any other title up to that point. Introduction of RPG type elements.

 

I think by the time the next title in the series rolls out, they are going to be very familiar with their engine and with the bigger resource budget (on the hardware and liquidity) it should be a great game and I'm expecting lots of additional content.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 09:08 PM

Unless R* get innovative again with GTA 6, they will be left behind on next gen because there are other open-world crime games coming. One is code named: GTA Killer, just to give you an idea. If R* brings the same boring crap to the table again then they're done. Many other dev's are about to get some of that GTA-ish open world money. And these games won't be like Sants Row either. A lot better quality and physics. GTA & R* are in trouble in the future. But it's good for us. We won't be dependant on R* anymore and have to wait 6-8 years betyween games as we'll have "other options" --good options that will rival R*'s GTA in every way. I can't wait.

 

Is there really an open-world crime game, codenamed "GTA Killer" ?? Are you for real ?? Seriously bro, if so I wanna know more. 





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