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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:26 AM

Each and every one of you are obviously not getting my point. OMG. Read the first post again and again until your brains process it damn


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:31 AM

Man, I don't even know why I tried.

 

This sh*t is worse than those Harry Potter nerds that try to "prove" that Dumbledore wasn't gay or that dumb sh*t with Star Wars about Han Solo shooting or not shooting or whatever. How you gonna tell the writers of the made up characters that they're lying about stuff? What reason would they even have for lying?

 

The f*ck...

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:34 AM

.If Rockstar says CJ doesn't exist, then it's a done deal. 

 

Read the previews and see what R* said was in/wasn't in. Now look at the final game.

 

What R* says doesn't mean sh*t in the end.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:34 AM

Look, Just

 

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:37 AM

The point is that they could have existed even though we never see them. However, there could also be invisible dinosaurs in GTA V. They could be everywhere... wearing jetpacks... invisible jetpacks. They're also not solid so people just go through them. They make no noises and can do absolutely nothing. But trust me, they're there. They make the game so much better. 

 

This is why I think people are just clinging to San Andreas. "I loved San Andreas so therefore the characters MUST BE IN THIS STORY TOO! Even if it's just a meaningless microscopic way." There is no proof that CJ existed in GTA V's universe, but there is also no proof that he didn't. Let's say that we all agreed that CJ existed in this universe and some version of the events of San Andreas happened years ago... so what? What does it change or make better? Nothing. No 3D Era character made a comeback outside of references. They do not directly impact the plot and we have been given no reason to expect them to come back. The only thing this does is turn a nod to a game people liked into a small plot connection to a game people like. Woo hoo? 


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:37 AM Edited by King Kapone, 19 October 2013 - 10:41 AM.

It's all the same universe. I feel that Rockstar would be better served should they have used the word era instead. I mean, think about it this way. Take the street you're living on right now and compare it to 20 years ago. Are the same people living in the same houses? Are the same houses even there? Does that mean you're living in a different universe from what used to have been or could have been your neighbor? Or does it mean about a generation ago, things were different?

One of my favorite batch of easter eggs revolve around Donald Love, the mysterious billionaire owner of Love Media from GTA3. In IV and now V you can find his name on newspapers. In fact, there's a thread going around about a newspaper found in V with Johnny Klebitz's face on it. Well the headline is "Love's Hate Relationship with Taxes." Heck, the man even has a star on Vinewood Blvd. So to say with absolute certainty that Love Media and Donald Love aren't in the same universe as IV/V is foolish. I can list hundreds of businesses that had the world by the balls in 2001 that are nowhere to be seen today, along with their CEOs.

To sum it up, we need to stop looking at it as different universes, but different generations. And as far as the argument that Los Santos in V looks so different from San An: that's a given. Say the universes were explained by Rockstar to all be one in the same, would you forgive Rockstar if they supplied us a carbon copy, street for street map of L.S. from San An, except with higher resolution buildings, textures, and palm trees? No. You would hold pseudo-riots from the comfort of your own beds. Just because Rockstar reimagined the map for current gen consoles doesn't mean it's not the same city it was in 1992.
 

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:40 AM

tl:dr


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:43 AM Edited by spamtackey, 19 October 2013 - 10:44 AM.

It's all the same universe. I feel that Rockstar would be better served should they have used the word era instead. I mean, think about it this way. Take the street you're living on right now and compare it to 20 years ago. Are the same people living in the same houses? Are the same houses even there? Does that mean you're living in a different universe from what used to have been or could have been your neighbor? Or does it mean about a generation ago, things were different?

One of my favorite batch of easter eggs revolve around Donald Love, the mysterious billionaire owner of Love Media from GTA3. In IV and now V you can find his name on newspapers. In fact, there's a thread going around about a newspaper found in V with Johnny Klebitz's face on it. Well the headline is "Love's Hate Relationship with Taxes." Heck, the man even has a star on Vinewood Blvd. So to say with absolute certainty that Love Media and Donald Love aren't in the same universe as IV/V is foolish. I can list hundreds of businesses that had the world by the balls in 2001 that are nowhere to be seen today, along with their CEOs.

To sum it up, we need to stop looking at it as different universes, but different generations. And as far as the argument that Los Santos in V looks so different from San An: that's a given. Say the universes were explained by Rockstar to all be one in the same, would you forgive Rockstar if they supplied us a carbon copy, street for street map of L.S. from San An, except with higher resolution buildings, textures, and trees? No. You would hold pseudo-riots from the comfort of your bed. Just because Rockstar reimagined the map for current gen consoles doesn't mean it's not the same city it was in 1992.

I'm out.

 

Honestly, I'd be pretty upset that most of the locations that we were used to going to don't exist in some form anymore. Where is Luigi's strip club? Any of the familiar streets? Joey's garage? Where is that bridge over Grove Street... the one Tenpenny fell off of? Where is the dam from GTA III You know the big dam that the ENTIRE GAME ENDED ON? A pretty big thing to miss for a redesign of the same dang city. 

 

The whole universe thing is probably easier to understand if you look at them as different stories. 

 

Story A (3D universe) came before Story B which contains references and some small details from Story A because they're from the same author. 


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:45 AM

It's all the same universe. I feel that Rockstar would be better served should they have used the word era instead. I mean, think about it this way. Take the street you're living on right now and compare it to 20 years ago. Are the same people living in the same houses? Are the same houses even there? Does that mean you're living in a different universe from what used to have been or could have been your neighbor? Or does it mean about a generation ago, things were different?

How you explain that in 20 years everything got bigger, mountains came out from nothing and LV and SF dissappear? Also any story related place from old SA dont exist.

 

One of my favorite batch of easter eggs revolve around Donald Love, the mysterious billionaire owner of Love Media from GTA3. In IV and now V you can find his name on newspapers. In fact, there's a thread going around about a newspaper found in V with Johnny Klebitz's face on it. Well the headline is "Love's Hate Relationship with Taxes." Heck, the man even has a star on Vinewood Blvd. So to say with absolute certainty that Love Media and Donald Love aren't in the same universe as IV/V is foolish. I can list hundreds of businesses that had the world by the balls in 2001 that are nowhere to be seen today, along with their CEOs.

 

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There are many references to GTAIII characters and brands (El Burro graffiti in LC for example) in GTAIV, but do any characters (other than Lazlow) actually exist within both 'universes'? Is that where Donald Love went? Did he hop dimensions into the GTAIV universe?! Plot twist!! Are the two universes completely separate? I understand it'd make almost no sense having two Liberty City's but is there any way we'll see characters from GTAIII return? GTAIV has some amazing characters, but some of the characters in the III era are just unforgettable.

 
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El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 11:15 AM

mmm when R* say stuff about characters being from other universe i think thats their way of saying from another era.

remember, games are set in different eras, Vice City its from the 80's and San Andreas is set in the 90's.

people complain about grove street not being the same it was, well its being 20 some years since CJ ruled the streets, same with Vercetti, to bring some characters from past games into the current "HD universe", they would have to make them older than michael, then people would complain about that too.

personally as much as i enjoyed past games, i really dont want them back in the game, maybe a little cameo, mention or old newspaper article.

i want to remember them by how awesome they were in their time, not by what they became later.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 11:16 AM

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So basically, you're telling it boils down to this: The above concept could not exist in a HD world.

Okay, I'm sold. There are clearly separate universes. Nothing more to see here.
 

On a related but different note, how f*cked has El Burro's character been? In GTA1 he's a homosexual gang leader from San Andreas that you kill later on in Vice City. In GTA3 he's a former porn star turned gang leader from Liberty City who sells XXX mags. In GTA Chinatown Wars, he's a lowly drug dealer from Bohan. In GTA V, he's a sh*tty neighborhood in east Los Santos.

I mean, damn. What a steady decline. Poor guy.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 11:18 AM

i fly a cargo plane in gta v


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 11:26 AM

Senseless argument, it's all up to Rockstar you know what I'm saying?


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 12:10 PM

f*ck the universe bs. It's more fun imagining gta v is just quite simply 20 years later than the events of sa. Nobody on this forum or even rockstar is going to change that for me.


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#45

Posted 19 October 2013 - 12:36 PM

Jesus people, just get over CJ, get over Grove Street, just get over San Andreas and it's poorly written plot in general. If Rockstar want to wipe their slate clean and use new characters and plots, let them do so without you making a heavy inststance that these characters still exist.
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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:02 PM Edited by jamieleng, 19 October 2013 - 01:07 PM.

No, you haven't ended it once & for all.

 

It is true that characters from the 3D era could've existed in the HD era, BUT they are HD interpretations of the 3D era characters. They are not the same people, they are alternate HD versions. The stories of III, VC & SA did not happen exactly the same way in the HD universe's history.

 

Ok, on to the next thing people bring up. But Lazlow & Willy (Love Fist) appear in both the 3D & HD era's. Well yes they do, BUT you never see Lazlow or Willy in those games. That's because modelled characters in the 3D era, will not appear in person in HD games. You will see characters like CJ, OG Loc, Donald Love etc, but they are little more than Easter Eggs.

 

Obviously this is my interpretation of the universes, based on the available evidence & Rockstar's one & only confusing explanation. 

 

In the end, you cannot say they are the same universe & that's a fact. Because I'm yet to hear a reasonable explanation for the maps being completely different (I have heard some hilarious attempts to though)


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:08 PM

Jamieleng, please remove yourself from threads like these. You were the one going on about how North Yankton was Canada. I can't take you seriously.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:10 PM Edited by jamieleng, 19 October 2013 - 01:19 PM.

Jamieleng, please remove yourself from threads like these. You were the one going on about how North Yankton was Canada. I can't take you seriously.

Wow, you're pretty antagonistic. Yes, I made a stupid mistake saying N. Yankton was in Canada, so that automatically invalidates everything I say since?

 

I think I'll stay. I'm not antagonistic or always spoiling for a fight & I've never gotten into a beef with anybody here. Or at least with people who aren't banned now.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:34 PM

So if some random ped said. "I want to buy that drug lords mansion in Vice City" that instantly means it's Tommy vercetti's? No it could be Elizabeta's mansion

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:36 PM Edited by williamcampbell, 19 October 2013 - 01:36 PM.

You know, this reminds me of a certain banned user who's insane... "I'm right, you're wrong, deal with it!!!"

Seems like this game is making a lot of people go literally nuts!


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:53 PM Edited by Bonnano, 19 October 2013 - 01:58 PM.

Oh look, another blind retard that thinks the guy from the Fruntalot ad is CJ.

 

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The guy in the billboard is (cover your ears, this might make you bleed), a generic pedestrian.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:59 PM

Each new GTA is like a new episode of Family Guy or South Park. Anyone who died or anything that got destroyed is simply either forgotten or acted out as if it didn't. 

 

It's like in Family Guy Peter can break his spine and die, and then re-appear in the next scene/episode.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:59 PM

Yes, I made a stupid mistake so that automatically invalidates everything I say since?

 

Basically, yes.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 02:24 PM

It's all the same universe. I feel that Rockstar would be better served should they have used the word era instead. I mean, think about it this way. Take the street you're living on right now and compare it to 20 years ago. Are the same people living in the same houses? Are the same houses even there? Does that mean you're living in a different universe from what used to have been or could have been your neighbor? Or does it mean about a generation ago, things were different?
 

Because, you know, Las Venturas and San Fierro magicly dissapeared in a tsunami and the 10.0 richter replica that followed the tsunami instantly moved Mount Chilliad to north of the map.

You people try to make your arguments heavier then they look and overlook other arguments like the fact that the map looks nothing like San Andreas, for example.

But honestly, R* is retarded as f*ck. They made a huge f*ck up out of this universe thing with V, automaticly making this whole universe discussion endless. They made the game, so we have to go with what they say, they are still right, i guess.

@OP, R* specificly said that the previous protags never existed. You are mixing the concept of universe with the concept of reality when you say that "they never existed because the protags never knew them".

The GSF are not in V, a different gang named simply The Famalies are.   
 


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 02:39 PM

GTA V really pushed the universe crap far imo. One of the Love Fist members made an appearance and Lazlow did as well. I think neither made a physical appearance in any other GTAs but their partners did (in case of Love Fist) or they're a huge part of the world (Lazlow). I mean, this Lazlow is the same one as the one from Vice City right? I THINK he mentions Vice City in IV.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:28 PM

 

.If Rockstar says CJ doesn't exist, then it's a done deal. 

 

Read the previews and see what R* said was in/wasn't in. Now look at the final game.

 

What R* says doesn't mean sh*t in the end.

 

I remember them saying no 'major characters' from IV would return. Would Johnny count as a legit major character though? He's not as major as Niko, though.

 

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