A price that is not paid when doing missions or when said currency is given to you by other players. - Or when said currency is stolen from other players.
No, sorry, it doesn't work that way. By that logic any money obtained in game is stealing from Rockstar because you aren't buying their cash cards. With or without the glitch I'd never pay $10 for a million...
- Whether you like Rockstar cash cards or not, you're stealing money from them.
I suggest you read the Eula. The Virtual Currency you obtain in any of Rockstar's games belong to Rockstar. When you use a glitch to "illegally" obtain that money you're stealing "property" from them. They charge a set price for Virtual Goods and Virtual Currency. You're stealing that whether you want to admit it or not.
I do agree that it is cheating, however. It is not stealing anything from Rockstar.
Edit: From the EULA
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- commercially exploit the Software;
- distribute, lease, license, sell, rent, convert into convertible currency, or otherwise transfer or assign the Software, or any copies of the Software, including but not limited to Virtual Goods or Virtual Currency (defined below) without the express prior written consent of Licensor or as expressly set forth in this Agreement;
- make a copy of the Software or any part thereof (other than as set forth herein);
- make a copy of the Software available on a network for use or download by multiple users;
- except as otherwise specifically provided by the Software or this Agreement, use or install the Software (or permit others to do same) on a network, for on-line use, or on more than one computer or gaming unit at the same time;
- copy the Software onto a hard drive or other storage device in order to bypass the requirement to run the Software from the included CD-ROM or DVD-ROM (this prohibition does not apply to copies in whole or in part that may be made by the Software itself during installation in order to run more efficiently);
- use or copy the Software at a computer gaming center or any other location-based site; provided, that Licensor may offer you a separate license agreement to make the Software available for commercial use;
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Again yes, Cheating is against the EULA, TOS, etc. But it says nothing specific about the currency. Hence nothing is being stolen. Try again.
Edit 2: Before any further debate ensues, yes I read the VIRTUAL CURRENCY AND VIRTUAL GOODS section of the EULA. In no way, shape, or form is any means of obtaining the currency linked to theft or legality.
It might be possible that its in rule 12 terms policies and licenses?
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I never once mentioned that this argument is about cheating. It's about theft.
If I walk into a 7/11 gas station and steal a candy bar from the counter. Is that theft? They don't have a sign anywhere that says "No stealing". Yes it's theft because it's their property. By law, you can't steal.
Whether the property is virtual or not, it's still theft.
Physically removing an object from a store without paying =/= replicating fictional currency within the game mechanics. The former is theft, the latter is simply cheating or counterfeiting at the worst.
While that may be the case to you, when it comes down to it property is property. It's all about rights and in this game the currency is property of Rockstar. Virtual or not. It's still stealing. I'm not saying they would win a lawsuit against someone who did the Bike glitch, but the fact remains that it's stealing virtual property.
Edited by tradami, 16 October 2013 - 09:36 PM.