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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:05 AM

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:21 AM

I remember pre-ordering GTA: SA and picking it up after school. It was f*ckin amazing in every aspect. Still to this day it is awesome as hell. All the GTA's are. Because they're somewhat unique and similar in the same way. Its not just nostalgia its just a great fun factor. GTA V is awesome as f*ck don't get me wrong. Graphics/Engine wise its the best GTA yet. But there will always be people hangin onto the older GTA's cause they were just that awesome and fun to play. Of course when your younger most games are fantastic but when your older you look at things from a more technical aspect. Which makes you realize the obvious.. GTA is by far the best series ever created. Regardless of specific titles

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:24 AM

I just wish they had crouching and a few other MINOR gameplay elements such as side missions

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:24 AM

Just started playing it now after my friend (who hasn't played it since he was in the 5th grade..he's graduating this year from college by the way) highly recommending it to me....

 

 An, I honestly don't get this Tidal Wave of Love that this forum has for San Andreas.

 

1. The cities aren't detailed what so ever. Las Santos hardly resembles actual LA (I live in LA) besides the few landmark buildings like the Hollywood (VineWood) sign. Same goes for the other 2 cities. 

 

2. Most of the buildings are copy/paste. Unlike GTA's this gen we have today where each building is unique, here you can see the blatant copy and pasting with few unique buildings in between. 

 

3. It's all about the draw distance. The whole map isn't that big. It's probably the same size as Liberty City if not a tad smaller. What makes everything feel huge is that crappy draw distance they had to use with the ps2 tech. 

 

4. The cities feel dead. Ghost towns at times, and the pedestrians are few variations and are brain dead. 

 

5. CJ is very unlikeable IMO. It's NIGGA this, NIGGA that, and all of this gang stuff that makes everything feel to much like a "wanna be" than something that feels natural and realistic. 

 

 The only good things I can say about San Andreas is that it has alot of variety when it comes to side missions and side activities..but I can't help but feel it's more of a, "jack of all trades, master of none." and becomes quite a bit repetitive after a while of playing. 

 

 Also, having Nitros for cars is cool. Not sure why they excluded this from today's gta games...and the jet pack is cool to f*ck around in.

 

 Other than that, I will say that San Andreas is AMBITIOUS with the amount of things to do....but in that same ambition all I see are 3 cities set in a cramped world, that looked highly undetailed, with cities that resemble more of ghosts town, than actual live and bustling cities.

 

 I can't help but feel if Rockstar focused on simply 1 city, rather than 3 they could've created a more focused world. 

 

 Again this is playing with 2013 eyes..so they are admittedly a bit jaded to what we have today.

 

 But I simply can't help but think many of these claimes of "San Andreas being the best gta to ever be made" simply stems from the fact that alot of you are reminiscing on your youth, when things were less complicated, and less stressful..and those memories of just kicking it back with your friends and enjoying san andreas on your summer break..and just looking at all the things to do..and how cool it was to have 3 cities..and I just feel alot of you are looking with Nostalgic Glasses..

 

Again my opinion. 

 

 

 

 

 

For the PC the game is fun as sh*t, especially SA:MP. Mods made the game 10x more interesting. 

 

I can't say the console version of the game is amazing, it was when i played it at first but comparing it to games nowadays it's kind of boring. 


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:40 AM

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:41 AM

People loved San Andreas. The leap between IV and along with the love for San Andreas makes the game even better for players.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:44 AM

People are so rude and retard shouldn't be thrown around like its ok smh.. But I think most people like it is because they have good memories (can't remember the word for it lol)

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:47 AM Edited by RealisticSteak, 14 October 2013 - 03:49 AM.

People are so rude and retard shouldn't be thrown around like its ok smh.. But I think most people like it is because they have good memories (can't remember the word for it lol)

HAAAY QURL!!!

memorable lol

 

GTASA was great because of the west coast vibe where you can freely express who you are. The game is good, but it didn't have that "Grand Theft Auto" feel compared to GTAIII and GTACTW.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:50 AM

People are so rude and retard shouldn't be thrown around like its ok smh.. But I think most people like it is because they have good memories (can't remember the word for it lol)

HAAAY QURL!!!
memorable lol
 
GTASA was great because of the west coast vibe where you can freely express who you are. The game is good, but it didn't have that "Grand Theft Auto" feel compared to GTAIII and GTACTW.
I was reading it over and it was nostalgia was the word I was looking for lol

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 04:23 AM

Am I the last person in the world that still loves every GTA?


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 04:50 AM

Am I the last person in the world that still loves every GTA?

 

Not really I love every GTA including SA. I just won't rank SA on par with Vice City and IV. It's definitely my 2nd most favorite GTA, though.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:30 PM Edited by King Andreas, 15 October 2013 - 05:40 PM.

AceKingston, what inspired you to choose a San Andreas themed username (referring to your previous account), considering you prefer IV and Vice City?

 

Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian, same question: What inspired you to choose a San Andreas themed username, considering you prefer Vice City?

 

It's nice to see the two of you post in a GTA section for once, by the way.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:25 AM Edited by AceKingston, 16 October 2013 - 05:26 AM.

AceKingston, what inspired you to choose a San Andreas themed username (referring to your previous account), considering you prefer IV and Vice City?

 

Because I was playing San Andreas at that time and I obviously picked a SA themed user name, if anyone remembers my first post, it was in the San Andreas sub-forum.

 

Like I said I love SA, I really do, I just won't rank it on par with Vice and IV because of a few complaints with story.  Overall it is a great game.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:32 AM

lol @ OP

"Why did people in 1775 love horses so much? We've got cars and planes and space shuttles now, horses are stupid and outdated!" :blink: 

In short, people like San Andreas because it was the fullest GTA game.  Gameplay > Graphics & Story


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:39 AM

lol @ OP

"Why did people in 1775 love horses so much? We've got cars and planes and space shuttles now, horses are stupid and outdated!" :blink: 

In short, people like San Andreas because it was the fullest GTA game.  Gameplay > Graphics & Story

That's what IV and V fanboys don't understand. They brag about graphics and story yet WE DON'T GIVE A sh*t. GTA SA still has the most content in it then any other GTA game. May not be the biggest but does have the MOST TOWNS, Cities, and etc..

 

Everyone I knows rather have a Casino then a Stock Market. A casino is fun while a stock market you just put money down and wait a few days to sell. So fun

Spoiler


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:48 AM

OP, you're not understanding the fact that you're comparing GTAV to a previous-gen, 10 year old game. It is bound to be technically inferior.

 

However, we hadn't seen all the superiority we are seeing now back when we started playing San Andreas and the game absolutely blew our living minds off. I mean, who doesn't remember the first time drive to San Fierro? It felt like worlds apart from the sticks and the city of Los Santos.

 

The fact remains, San Andreas - the old ass game - has more content than a game that is a generation ahead of it.

Don't get me wrong, I love GTAV, too, but the OP is just being silly here.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:53 AM Edited by AceKingston, 16 October 2013 - 05:57 AM.

 

lol @ OP

"Why did people in 1775 love horses so much? We've got cars and planes and space shuttles now, horses are stupid and outdated!" :blink: 

In short, people like San Andreas because it was the fullest GTA game.  Gameplay > Graphics & Story

That's what IV and V fanboys don't understand. They brag about graphics and story yet WE DON'T GIVE A sh*t. GTA SA still has the most content in it then any other GTA game. May not be the biggest but does have the MOST TOWNS, Cities, and etc..

 

Everyone I knows rather have a Casino then a Stock Market. A casino is fun while a stock market you just put money down and wait a few days to sell. So fun

Spoiler

 

 

Not really SA does not have the most content in all the GTA games nor is it's map the biggest. V's map is the biggest followed by IV and San Andreas..

 

Now about Content, I'll list what new features SA added, compare them to IV:
 

SA:
 

1) RPG character development (several features in one)

2) Usable Gyms

3) Some new weapons

4) Bigger map than Vice.

5) Gambling

6) Dancing

7) Eating

8) Gang Wars

9) 360 degree camera angle

10) Couple of New side missions

11) More clothing options

12) Swimming.

13) Playing pool.

14) More vehicles

 

Hopefully I haven't missed anything.

 

IV:
 

1) Updated Graphics

2) Usage of Cell-phones

3) More realistic pedestrians

4) Biggest single City (Liberty City)

5) Cover system

6) Ability to take a taxi ride

7) Hanging out with friends

8) More side activities compared to the one activity in SA, like getting drunk, heli-copter rides, etc. Now these are a lot of features in one.

9) Calling Paradmedics, cops etc for assistance.

10) More enterable interiors

11) GPS system

12) More weapons

13) More vehicles

14) Usage of computers

15) Branching storylines.

16) Multiplayer, several features in one point again.

17) Video editor (PC version).

 

See? IV itself has more content than San Andreas, your argument is flawed.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:06 AM Edited by redx165, 16 October 2013 - 06:08 AM.

 

 

lol @ OP

"Why did people in 1775 love horses so much? We've got cars and planes and space shuttles now, horses are stupid and outdated!" :blink: 

In short, people like San Andreas because it was the fullest GTA game.  Gameplay > Graphics & Story

That's what IV and V fanboys don't understand. They brag about graphics and story yet WE DON'T GIVE A sh*t. GTA SA still has the most content in it then any other GTA game. May not be the biggest but does have the MOST TOWNS, Cities, and etc..

 

Everyone I knows rather have a Casino then a Stock Market. A casino is fun while a stock market you just put money down and wait a few days to sell. So fun

Spoiler

 

 

Not really SA does not have the most content in all the GTA games nor is it's map the biggest. V's map is the biggest followed by IV and San Andreas..

 

Now about Content, I'll list what new features SA added, compare them to IV:
 

SA:
 

1) RPG character development (several features in one)

2) Usable Gyms

3) Some new weapons

4) Bigger map than Vice.

5) Gambling

6) Dancing

7) Eating

8) Gang Wars

9) 360 degree camera angle

10) Couple of New side missions

11) More clothing options

12) Swimming.

13) Playing pool.

14) More vehicles

 

Hopefully I haven't missed anything.

 

IV:
 

1) Updated Graphics

2) Usage of Cell-phones

3) More realistic pedestrians

4) Biggest single City (Liberty City)

5) Cover system

6) Ability to take a taxi ride

7) Hanging out with friends

8) More side activities compared to the one activity in SA, like getting drunk, heli-copter rides, etc. Now these are a lot of features in one.

9) Calling Paradmedics, cops etc for assistance.

10) More enterable interiors

11) GPS system

12) More weapons

13) More vehicles

14) Usage of computers

15) Branching storylines.

16) Multiplayer, several features in one point again.

17) Video editor (PC version).

 

See? IV itself has more content than San Andreas, your argument is flawed.

 

I did say SA may not be the biggest. How did you not see that?

1) How is graphics content? 
2) SA has cell phones. Now the features in it are not in SA

3)  Since when does more realistic pedestrians means more content? 

4) Los Santos ( GTA V ) is bigger but SA had more. I rather have 3 half ass cities with tons of sh*t to do then 1 detail city with nothing to do

5) Once again how is this content? Its a feature

6)True

7) Some what true if you count girl friends in SA as friends too

8) False

9) True

10) False

11) True

12 ) Are you kidding me? Are you really a blind SA hater? 

13 ) Read #12

14 ) True

15 ) Once again I'm talking about content NOT STORY

16) SAMP???

17 ) Have no idea what this is? 

 

This has to be the weakest respond you made to me about this. You truly are a blind SA hater for choice 10, 12, 13. 


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:19 AM Edited by AceKingston, 16 October 2013 - 06:23 AM.

Hmm 'blind SA hater' am I? I just said I do like San Andreas.

 

You asked me to list content and I did. Yet you still deny it and saying it isn't a content, I'm tired of you already man, you asked me to list what VC improved from III and I did, still you didn't listen. I did the same here and now also you deny that it isn't content at all, if you aren't going to listen at all I see no use debating with you any further.

 

And SA-MP is a modification, mods don't count and the reason is pretty obvious. And you are not telling me creating the biggest single city ever in a GTA game is not an achievement? 


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:21 AM

If you have to ask.........you will never know.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:57 AM Edited by StarVisitor, 16 October 2013 - 06:58 AM.

One word: NOSTALGIA. Aside from that GTA V is an untouchable masterpiece. 


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:01 AM Edited by Vatus, 16 October 2013 - 08:02 AM.

 

@General
 
Ok, I'll humour you too.
 
It seems to be at your convience that you've ignored the thousands of times I've said on this forum that every GTA just gets better and better for me personally, and I still love GTA III. So now that I've disclosed this yet again, going by my logic, try and figure out (if you can) why I don't hate SA.
 
Just because I grew out of all that "gangsta" crap, doesn't mean I can't still appreciate the game as a whole for what it is.

There was so much more to SA than "gangsta crap," why is that even brought up?

Not everyone played it because of that.

If it had contained mafia crap, people would have still loved it.

 

 

Well, it DID have the mafia and you did jobs for them. It had many gangs in there from the mafia, traids, to the street gangstas in Los Santos.

 

Each city pretty much had a different tone with different gangstas and organization crime. And they represent a stage in CJ's life. You pretty much get out of the ghetto pretty early in the game and establish your quest to own San Andreas. It was a great journey.

 

With that said, GTA 5 and GTA: SA are almost equal. I think GTA 5 had the best missions while GTA: SA is better paced. While I think GTA 5 has more stuff to explore and find interesting surprises because of the events, GTA: SA had more variety within the world. GTA: SA is a very dated game tho with its graphics and gameplay, so you shouldn't expect much from that.

 

But you should expect the features and missions to be one of a kind. Even GTA 5 don't have all the features that GTA: SA have. And the RPG elements in the game had more depth than GTA 5.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:53 AM

Just started playing it now  

Okay stop right there

If this is your first time playing it your obviously a little kid and will never understand the love I and many othwr people here have for the game.
Oh man I still remember the day I firat played it, I knew nothing about games, mever had internet and didnt know if it was any good but hell it was immense and for some reason I cant remember why, I didnt used to use the start map just the mini map so me and my bro used to get lost in the desert and be like wtf this world is massive. The story felt soooo long aswell and that just made everything better and the charecters were great so was the soundtrack and vibe. And now whenever I play gta san andreas all the memories come flooding back.

Gta san andreas always in my heart!

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:16 AM

wow...a another f*cking gta:sa thread? move the f*ck on people


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:17 AM

Op I agree. Back in 2004 San Andreas was a huge upgrade to vice city...swimming, diving, customization, opportunities...but also back then it didn't live up to its hype. People expected much more from screens...like opening trunks and putting in stuff, a proper basketball game, etc.

But the feeling was quite unique. I guess that's the thing most people remember. Vice City was amazing...but San Andreas was bigger in many aspects. If you look closely, it's like op describes. Dead towns. Small map. And crappy story & characters.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:36 PM

If you personally don't like the game then fine, say that.

But you sir are trying to belittle the overall praise the game has received over the years and question it's standing as a great GTA game.

 

You're a fool for that.

 

S.A. was, and is, a great game. Reasons why it was great (desptie how you feel about the game these things are universally accepted):

 

-Great story, arguably the best narrative in any GTA game. You don't have to like the main character to appreciate a tale of revenge on childhood friends-turned-enemies who helped murder the protag's mother, and outwardly crooked cops. The family ties, the wide array of characters that help and betrayed CJ along the way, the way it all comes together, the journey you take as CJ from rags to riches....it's all very cohesive and theatrical.

 

-Great gameplay. Yes, the mechanics are outdated, but you can't factor that in because at the time of release they weren't. Mechanics aside, the amount of activities you could do in this game is incredible. Even compared to today's GTA games it's hearty. And unlike in GTA IV and V, SA does a phenomenal job of getting the player to actually experience all the game has to offer. GTA IV was annoying in that regard cause it was overbearing and didn't offer anywhere near the same amount or variety of activities, and GTAV narrative doesn't push you to experience everything as much.

 

-Fun/Creative Missions. Once again, you can't deny that GTA: SA does a fantastic job of capturing the spirit of what makes a good GTA game. The missions were clever, challenging, and fun, and the settings were varied.

 

-Customization. GTA: SA was the 1st GTA game to feature a slew of features allowing you to customize how you wanted the protagonist to evolve physically. Make him fat or make him fit, teach him new fighting moves, improve his abilities, dress him how you wanted and give him different haircuts and tattoos.

 

-Great voice acting. Samuel L. Jackson was unforgetable as Officer Tenpenny, and Young Maylay has become an icon for his spot-on voice work as CJ. Other roles were very memorable as well (Sweet, Pulaski, Ryder, Madd Dogg, OG Loc...cmon man how can you hate on these characters?)

 

Sorry that you didn't get to enjoy this great game and that the setting and characters annoy you, but you're flat out wrong on this; some of your arguments are flawed.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:52 PM

Hmm 'blind SA hater' am I? I just said I do like San Andreas.

 

You asked me to list content and I did. Yet you still deny it and saying it isn't a content, I'm tired of you already man, you asked me to list what VC improved from III and I did, still you didn't listen. I did the same here and now also you deny that it isn't content at all, if you aren't going to listen at all I see no use debating with you any further.

 

And SA-MP is a modification, mods don't count and the reason is pretty obvious. And you are not telling me creating the biggest single city ever in a GTA game is not an achievement? 

You are a Blind SA hater for choice 10, 12, and 13. What you listed hardly was content. You listed graphics, story, and some true and also some lies. 


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:09 PM

San Andreas was all story. The map wasn't fun at all (after you do the missions).

 

That awkward deadness about the map is what makes me look back on older GTA games with some disappointment. You get spoiled with new technology.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 02:38 PM

This really baffles me. When I last checked, the main theme of GTA: San Andreas was based on the 1990s gangsta culture of African-American street gangs in south-central Los Angeles. So the main protagonist is obviously going to represent that gangsta image and stereotype. Are you that dumb to understand something so clear and simple such as this ??

Did I hit a nerve or something, or what is it that makes you so worked up about something so subjective? To shorten what I said before; I don't like the gangsta theme all that much. I just prefer the 80's Miami theme or modern day stories, such as the one of GTA IV, over the gangsta bullsh*t. I know it's the theme of the game, I NEVER claimed otherwise. CJ's character does not really feel fleshed out to me. As you probably know, not every question that emerges while playing through the story is getting answered. And in case you don't know, Rockstar removed a bunch of missions from the final game, for no apparent reason; and some of them explained things that never seem to get answered.
 

It's nice to see the two of you post in a GTA section for once, by the way.

I already answered your question in the message you have sent me. Also, it is not like I haven't posted in GTA sections in a while, in fact, I post in the V forum most of the time.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 03:17 PM Edited by Official General, 17 October 2013 - 03:40 PM.

 

This really baffles me. When I last checked, the main theme of GTA: San Andreas was based on the 1990s gangsta culture of African-American street gangs in south-central Los Angeles. So the main protagonist is obviously going to represent that gangsta image and stereotype. Are you that dumb to understand something so clear and simple such as this ??

Did I hit a nerve or something, or what is it that makes you so worked up about something so subjective? To shorten what I said before; I don't like the gangsta theme all that much. I just prefer the 80's Miami theme or modern day stories, such as the one of GTA IV, over the gangsta bullsh*t. I know it's the theme of the game, I NEVER claimed otherwise. CJ's character does not really feel fleshed out to me. As you probably know, not every question that emerges while playing through the story is getting answered. And in case you don't know, Rockstar removed a bunch of missions from the final game, for no apparent reason; and some of them explained things that never seem to get answered.
 

 

@ Andreas

 

What ?? You said nothing about not liking the gangsta theme that much preferring othet GTA stories/themes. This was YOUR quote :

 

 

 

CJ was not really a likeable character. He was just the typical gangsta stereotype and not special at all. It's not only him, but many of San Andreas' characters seem to have that problem. The story is not really anything new, and Carl just seems like another "playa in da hood", or however you want to call him.

 

This is what you said. I see NOTHING about you saying that you are not a fan of the gangster theme. What you did here was basically say that you did not like CJ's character and the rest of his cohorts was simply because they were 'stereotypical gangstas', it was "a problem" and you believed they were nothing special. Then talked about CJ being a 'playa in the hood', like what the f**k are talking about ? Do you even know what a playa is ? Are you one of those guys who just watches MTV Yo Raps! and Youtube as a learning guide to gangsta culture ? Loool. I counter-argued your point by asking you what other image was CJ and his boys supposed portray other than the gangsta stereotype, when San Andreas and the game's protagonist was centered around the gangsta culture in the first place ? 

 

Now you are saying you meant something else different. Well you sure did not express this in that quote. Either you are stupid, or you just don't speak English very well. 

 

If you don't like SA, just say so, don't make up such bullsh*t reasons as to why you don't like it, especially ones that make no real sense at all like you gave earlier. That is how you just end up looking silly. 





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