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#91

Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:46 PM Edited by NYdreamz, 09 October 2013 - 10:49 PM.

 

 

So yea I read a few sentences of the OP's post hoping to find some intelligible debate and then saw the main reason he does not wish San Andreas (a f*cking legendary master piece that made my summer) existed is purely because it has created fanboys (other people who have no relation with the OP and therefore should not influence the OP in anyway regarding which GTA games they prefer) to that specific entity in the franchise.

 

OP my question is simple and direct.

 

Why the f*ck do you care about the fanboys that back up GTA San Andreas? Let them do them and you do you.

 

Ok, I'll answer your question for you:

 

I care because it absolutely annoys the sh*t out of me whenever I see anybody - whether it be a professional business or otherwise - put so much blood and sweat into something to try and please everybody, only for a certain segment of the recipient to act like spoiled, entitled, self-appointed brats.

 

As somebody else in this thread acknowledged; it's f*cking depressing.

 

 

 

Rockstar seriously couldn't win in making GTA5 - because there are two distinct sets of fanboys who seem to want diammetrically opposite things from a GTA game.

 

People who loved San Andreas more than anything else seem to want content, content, content - to the exclusion of all else. If the world looks a bit blocky, and the controls are a bit clunky - doesn't matter because there's a million things to do and a crazy variety of sights and experiences.

 

People who loved IV more than anything else seem to want realism - an exquisitely put together and beautiful looking city, with accurate, real life motion physics. And if the difference between missions and activities is somewhat subtle and grounded, no problem.

 

Rockstar seem to have tried their hardest to satisfy both camps - but that probably isn't possible at all, and definitely not possible on this gen of technology.

 

So in the end, they seem to have disappointed both the San Andreas variety addicts and the IV realism nuts, for completely different reasons. And the only people who seem to be really enjoying this game are those coming at it with an opening mind, and appreciating it on its own merit for everything that it is, rather than everything that it's not.......

 

picard_clapping.gif

 

Although the complaining seems to be non-existent among the IV fanboys in comparison to the SA cry-babies.

 

Exposed. You just hate San Andreas and love IV. You obviously didn't see all the driving sucks, no realism and IV was better threads did you.  Your bias is clear and that comment solidified it

 

 

Exposed? 

 

Exposed for what exactly? Exposed for actually being able to appreciate something from a company who tries to build on it's products with the hardware they have to work with? 

 

And tell me, what is this bias you speak of? I guess when SA released, I was more biased for it than VC, right? Or I was more biased for III than GTA 2? Sorry if I can see progress and innovation for what it evidently is in this case...

 

@jptawok

 

I'm quite aware of the meaning of 'subjective'. My apologies that you were unable to identify the irony in which I used the term.

 

 

 

But dude listen. That business that worked hard on the game give less of a f*ck than you man. Dont you see how pointless it is getting annoyed by something that should not concern you? Those people bitching about GTA V they still f*cking bought it (I know I bitch about it but I bitch because I f*cking love the game and hate those f*cking cops..... ill stop now before I make 20 paragraphs on why) and gave R* there money netting R* a f*ck ton of money.

 

Do you think R* gives two sh*ts what GTA they prefer? R* Made San Andreas they should be honoured that people still think it is pinnacle of GTA design and all other GTA games should get compared to it.

 

So dudebroskiman make a cup of tea, put a porno on, do your business, then go watch Goodfellas, relax and enjoy life rather than worry about what games other people prefer.

 

 

"Ahh let me see whats happning on the foru....."

 

"That guy prefers GTA San Andreas to V? Wtf? f*ck him.... f*ck HIM"

 

*Makes thread*

 

"Oi fa**ots why do you prefer San Andreas? It is like waaaay less Uber l33t than GTA V?"

 

 

lolz

 

you know... i seen you post some stupid sh*t on this site... but of all the dumbass posts ive read from you... this might be the smartest thing you ever typed....


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:46 PM

I'm starting to think the TC is just trolling for attention and to get a rise of people who prefer SA as their favorite GTA game.
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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:55 PM

@NYdreamz

 

Maybe its because I am actually logical and the other times you referred to my posts as 'idiotic / stupid' maybe they were idiotic and stupid because you disagreed with my opinion? (Perfectly logical because when you disagree with something the reason you usually disagree with it is because it is usually 'idiotic / stupid' in your opinion however it might not be seen that way in the person who made that comments eyes / people who agree with him)

 

Ahhhh? Am I right? Mind blown? Hmmm? No? :(


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:02 PM

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Maybe its because I am actually logical and the other times you referred to my posts as 'idiotic / stupid' maybe they were idiotic and stupid because you disagreed with my opinion? (Perfectly logical because when you disagree with something the reason you usually disagree with it is because it is usually 'idiotic / stupid' in your opinion however it might not be seen that way in the person who made that comments eyes / people who agree with him)

 

Ahhhh? Am I right? Mind blown? Hmmm? No? :(

 

wow your a creative writer as well ...

 

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:09 PM

 

I wish GTA 4 and 5 never existed.

 

Explain.

 

Because San Andreas was a high note. Everything after has been downhill.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:12 PM

I loved San Andreas, IV, and V. I'm glad they all existed, especially SA. But I feel like SA kind of set the standard for the future of the series. I feel like certain features in that game should have never been removed in future games. Not all features but some. Like the deep customization of ypur character, there's really no reason to remove that. Weight gain was hit or miss. I didn't find it that annoying so I don't care if it comes back or not. I feel being able to dual weild certain weapons, like at least pistols, should have never left. Some form of "gang wars" or any action based side mission should have never left. 4 had at least an action based side mission. While TLADs gang wars and TBOGTs drug wars were pretty much the same, at least they were there to do at any time. The fact that stuff like that is Online only is what bothers me about V the most. San Andreas allowed you to recruit gang members. A feature like that should have never left either. Yeah, in 4 Dwayne can send you 2 guys as backup, and in V it's pretty much removed other than calling amd hanging out with the other 2 protags. With a game about heista and crews it also backs up my point as to why we can't set up our own heists in SP. We should be able to. Removing vigilante missions? Why? There was more potential for them. Maybe raiding a crackhouse or something. Certain features just should have never been removed. Like bicycles. People ride bikes in NYC. Why wasn't it in 4? A lot of these features should not have been removed. Some of them could even have been expanded upon.
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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:13 PM Edited by Thebull94, 09 October 2013 - 11:13 PM.

 

 

I wish GTA 4 and 5 never existed.

 

Explain.

 

Because San Andreas was a high note. Everything after has been downhill.

 

Downhill in your eyes. Having that wish (while it is your opinion and one you are entitled too, however due to that fact I am entitled to list my opinion on your opinion therefore equalling opinionception) is ignorant.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:27 PM Edited by NYdreamz, 09 October 2013 - 11:27 PM.

i see they killed part II...


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:37 PM

I don't think San Andreas never should've existed. If anything, it's a good example of a classic GTA game. However, like you said, San Andreas spawned a whole lot of "YO NIGGA NIGGA LUVIN CJ IN DA HOOD"-types that, frankly, make me want to eat an infant and shove my fist into an anthill.

 

I will now present to you guys a picture of San Andreas fanboys to help you all explain the severity of this situation:

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:41 PM

Lol I like how you made a topic about GTA: San Andreas and put it in the GTA V section!


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:45 PM Edited by mikekolesar, 09 October 2013 - 11:47 PM.

I don't think San Andreas never should've existed. If anything, it's a good example of a classic GTA game. However, like you said, San Andreas spawned a whole lot of "YO NIGGA NIGGA LUVIN CJ IN DA HOOD"-types that, frankly, make me want to eat an infant and shove my fist into an anthill.

 

I will now present to you guys a picture of San Andreas fanboys to help you all explain the severity of this situation:

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You provide zero f*cking evidence those tools are a result of San Andreas, because they're not.

 

I don't even know what the f*ck you're talking about. Maybe San Andreas had that type of effect on you but this is the first I've ever heard about such an issue. San Andreas was an amazing game that did deserve to be made no matter what. OP is a f*cking retard. 

 

OP if you seriously think San Andreas shouldn't have been made because of fanboys (you have literally zero point here you're just rambling on about non sense) then you are not a true GTA fan whatsoever and are the most ignorant, retarded person here.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:48 PM

I don't think San Andreas never should've existed. If anything, it's a good example of a classic GTA game. However, like you said, San Andreas spawned a whole lot of "YO NIGGA NIGGA LUVIN CJ IN DA HOOD"-types that, frankly, make me want to eat an infant and shove my fist into an anthill.

 

I will now present to you guys a picture of San Andreas fanboys to help you all explain the severity of this situation:

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I'm starting to think some of you are projecting.  You get your ideas from video games and then think you are these guys. 

 

The simple fact is, that type of sh*t existed long before GTA SA. 

 

lol...some people here really are retarded.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:01 AM

 

So yea I read a few sentences of the OP's post hoping to find some intelligible debate and then saw the main reason he does not wish San Andreas (a f*cking legendary master piece that made my summer) existed is purely because it has created fanboys (other people who have no relation with the OP and therefore should not influence the OP in anyway regarding which GTA games they prefer) to that specific entity in the franchise.

 

OP my question is simple and direct.

 

Why the f*ck do you care about the fanboys that back up GTA San Andreas? Let them do them and you do you.

 

Ok, I'll answer your question for you:

 

I care because it absolutely annoys the sh*t out of me whenever I see anybody - whether it be a professional business or otherwise - put so much blood and sweat into something to try and please everybody, only for a certain segment of the recipient to act like spoiled, entitled, self-appointed brats.

 

As somebody else in this thread acknowledged; it's f*cking depressing.

 

 

 

Rockstar seriously couldn't win in making GTA5 - because there are two distinct sets of fanboys who seem to want diammetrically opposite things from a GTA game.

 

People who loved San Andreas more than anything else seem to want content, content, content - to the exclusion of all else. If the world looks a bit blocky, and the controls are a bit clunky - doesn't matter because there's a million things to do and a crazy variety of sights and experiences.

 

People who loved IV more than anything else seem to want realism - an exquisitely put together and beautiful looking city, with accurate, real life motion physics. And if the difference between missions and activities is somewhat subtle and grounded, no problem.

 

Rockstar seem to have tried their hardest to satisfy both camps - but that probably isn't possible at all, and definitely not possible on this gen of technology.

 

So in the end, they seem to have disappointed both the San Andreas variety addicts and the IV realism nuts, for completely different reasons. And the only people who seem to be really enjoying this game are those coming at it with an opening mind, and appreciating it on its own merit for everything that it is, rather than everything that it's not.......

 

picard_clapping.gif

 

Although the complaining seems to be non-existent among the IV fanboys in comparison to the SA cry-babies.

 

Exposed. You just hate San Andreas and love IV. You obviously didn't see all the driving sucks, no realism and IV was better threads did you.  Your bias is clear and that comment solidified it

 

 

Exposed? 

 

Exposed for what exactly? Exposed for actually being able to appreciate something from a company who tries to build on it's products with the hardware they have to work with? 

 

And tell me, what is this bias you speak of? I guess when SA released, I was more biased for it than VC, right? Or I was more biased for III than GTA 2? Sorry if I can see progress and innovation for what it evidently is in this case...

 

@jptawok

 

I'm quite aware of the meaning of 'subjective'. My apologies that you were unable to identify the irony in which I used the term.

 

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:31 AM

 

 

 

I wish GTA 4 and 5 never existed.

 

Explain.

 

Because San Andreas was a high note. Everything after has been downhill.

 

Downhill in your eyes. Having that wish (while it is your opinion and one you are entitled too, however due to that fact I am entitled to list my opinion on your opinion therefore equalling opinionception) is ignorant.

 

No you're not. Stop the doubletalk.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:49 AM

 

 

So yea I read a few sentences of the OP's post hoping to find some intelligible debate and then saw the main reason he does not wish San Andreas (a f*cking legendary master piece that made my summer) existed is purely because it has created fanboys (other people who have no relation with the OP and therefore should not influence the OP in anyway regarding which GTA games they prefer) to that specific entity in the franchise.

 

OP my question is simple and direct.

 

Why the f*ck do you care about the fanboys that back up GTA San Andreas? Let them do them and you do you.

 

Ok, I'll answer your question for you:

 

I care because it absolutely annoys the sh*t out of me whenever I see anybody - whether it be a professional business or otherwise - put so much blood and sweat into something to try and please everybody, only for a certain segment of the recipient to act like spoiled, entitled, self-appointed brats.

 

As somebody else in this thread acknowledged; it's f*cking depressing.

 

 

 

Rockstar seriously couldn't win in making GTA5 - because there are two distinct sets of fanboys who seem to want diammetrically opposite things from a GTA game.

 

People who loved San Andreas more than anything else seem to want content, content, content - to the exclusion of all else. If the world looks a bit blocky, and the controls are a bit clunky - doesn't matter because there's a million things to do and a crazy variety of sights and experiences.

 

People who loved IV more than anything else seem to want realism - an exquisitely put together and beautiful looking city, with accurate, real life motion physics. And if the difference between missions and activities is somewhat subtle and grounded, no problem.

 

Rockstar seem to have tried their hardest to satisfy both camps - but that probably isn't possible at all, and definitely not possible on this gen of technology.

 

So in the end, they seem to have disappointed both the San Andreas variety addicts and the IV realism nuts, for completely different reasons. And the only people who seem to be really enjoying this game are those coming at it with an opening mind, and appreciating it on its own merit for everything that it is, rather than everything that it's not.......

 

picard_clapping.gif

 

Although the complaining seems to be non-existent among the IV fanboys in comparison to the SA cry-babies.

 

Exposed. You just hate San Andreas and love IV. You obviously didn't see all the driving sucks, no realism and IV was better threads did you.  Your bias is clear and that comment solidified it

 

 

lol, let's be real. There may be GTA IV fanboyism arround but GTA IV fanboys surely have sh*t on GTA SA fanboys. I don't see IV fanboys starting threads about "Yeah, i know that it's different universes but i don't care CJ still existed and bla bla bla because i said so" or " f*ck GTA V, it should have been a GTA SA with GTA V graphics". I recall at least 3 or 4 "GTA SA remake" threads on this forum.

Trust me, if it was the other way arround i would be talking a lot of sh*t about GTA IV fanboyism, but it is GTA SA fanboyism who annoys arround the most. I guess it's the negative side of being the GTA with the most fans, but the thing is that OP's point remains and there's not much to discuss about it. Just the way it is. All forms of fanboyism are preety much lame  and GTA: SA definitly proves that if you ask me. You take your own conclusions.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:07 AM Edited by Official General, 10 October 2013 - 01:12 AM.

 

 

All forms of fanboyism are preety much lame  and GTA: SA definitly proves that if you ask me. You take your own conclusions.

 

@ Jimmy Darmody 
 

Like who gives a f**k ?? 

 

And anyone who does seriously needs to get a f**king life. Okay SA has a legion of fanboys, you know why ? Because it was great, fun and memorable game for many GTA fans. That's why. Simple. And on top of that, it's a 7-8 year old game. What is wrong with SA haters obsessing with and hating the fact that SA is highly revered ?? You all are a strange bunch. 

 

Deal with it and move the f**k on. 


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#107

Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:13 AM

Although I'm not really fond of SA I don't wish it never existed. I just wish some of its hardcore fans would accept not everyone thinks it's the holy grail like they do. It's like the concept of different tastes is lost with them.

 

I know I'm very hard on SA, but I do recogise what it done for the GTA series. It's just not my kind of GTA that's all. I kind of feel R* tried to please both sides with GTA V and for the most part I think they achieved that, but IMHO GTA IV is still the best GTA yet.

 

The way R* crafted Niko was/is simply phenominal. LC has always felt ahead of its time to me. Hell in some ways GTA V has lost quite a lot of that detail that made GTA IV such an amazing experence. I even think GTA IV still has the best side missions too.

 

I completely undestand why people love SA though. I just don't feel enthusiasm for it. Never really have to be honest.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:25 AM

 

 

 

All forms of fanboyism are preety much lame  and GTA: SA definitly proves that if you ask me. You take your own conclusions.

 

@ Jimmy Darmody 
 

Like who gives a f**k ?? 

 

And anyone who does seriously needs to get a f**king life. Okay SA has a legion of fanboys, you know why ? Because it was great, fun and memorable game for many GTA fans. That's why. Simple. And on top of that, it's a 7-8 year old game. What is wrong with SA haters obsessing with and hating the fact that SA is highly revered ?? You all are a strange bunch. 

 

Deal with it and move the f**k on. 

 

Well, if you say so, then i need a life. Do i give a f*ck about fanboys? Well, can't say i waste that much mental power with it either. But these fans end up influencing the market and contributing for more cartooned-based games, with alliens and that non-sense... I really don't want GTA to head towards that way. If it does, i can't do anything, ofcourse, but it would be a shame.  


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:26 AM

I was just as obsessed with SA as everybody else back in the day but time moves on and IV and especially V are great games to me. I am not living in the past.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:03 AM

I love GTA San Andreas, it's given me great memories. I just wish that the whiners would stop living in 2004.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:45 AM Edited by Official General, 10 October 2013 - 03:48 AM.

 

 

 

 

All forms of fanboyism are preety much lame  and GTA: SA definitly proves that if you ask me. You take your own conclusions.

 

@ Jimmy Darmody 
 

Like who gives a f**k ?? 

 

And anyone who does seriously needs to get a f**king life. Okay SA has a legion of fanboys, you know why ? Because it was great, fun and memorable game for many GTA fans. That's why. Simple. And on top of that, it's a 7-8 year old game. What is wrong with SA haters obsessing with and hating the fact that SA is highly revered ?? You all are a strange bunch. 

 

Deal with it and move the f**k on. 

 

Well, if you say so, then i need a life. Do i give a f*ck about fanboys? Well, can't say i waste that much mental power with it either. But these fans end up influencing the market and contributing for more cartooned-based games, with alliens and that non-sense... I really don't want GTA to head towards that way. If it does, i can't do anything, ofcourse, but it would be a shame.  

 

 

I don't want GTA to end up being cartoony or stupid like the later Saints Row games myself. That will not happen, Rockstar are not stupid enough to do that, not even under the influence of their fans. They may add a few wacky things or two, but thats about as far as they go normally. But San Andreas was not really cartoony and it only got a bit gimmicky with the silly Mike Toreno/green goo mission part of it's main storyline. That was just a small part. Most of SA's storyline revolved around realistic stuff, like street gangs, drug trafficking, corrupt cops, casinos, gambling and the mob. 

 

There is just no need for people to keep hating on people who love SA. I just don't get it. SA was brilliant, it was legendary and it's place in gaming history is set in stone. It is still probably the most popular GTA ever. You probably don't agree, no problem. But to keep hating on it will not change a thing, it's pointless. And very strange too. I don't see anyone complaining about and hating on Vice City fanboys, oddly enough. I just don't get why SA has a minority of dedicated haters obsessed with trying to get others to dislike it. 


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#112

Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:56 AM

San Andreas was best game of PS2, Had biggest map in III era and whole series until V came out. V is also nice. San Andreas WAS the best but now it isn't.
If you hate SA fans so what do you think about VC fans?
You should appreciate SA because it made GTA a greater series. If there are three revolutions in the series, they are GTA III, GTA SA, and V.

Note: It's just an opinion, swearing wouldn't help.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:31 PM

My favorite part was when this topic was moved to the San Andreas forum.

 

Anyways, it's funny, but if anyone asked me (why would they), I'd tell them III/VC are my favorite GTAs.  I love V, I thoroughly enjoyed 4, even though I played it front to back and never touched it again.  3 came to me at a good time in life, when I was young enough to find it all funny, but old enough to enjoy the satire.  VC was a perfect accompaniment to 3, upgrading gameplay in every facet.  San Andreas also (again in my opinion, see: subjective) improved on every gameplay element, yet again.  I (opinion) feel that IV did not upgrade in every facet, instead they made an about face, and focused on graphics and solid story.  I appreciate the story, but I never, ever, appreciate a game developer prioritizing graphics over gameplay, even when the game ends up being as beautiful as V.

 

This just seems like the kind of game where graphics should be one of the last focuses, not the main selling point.  For christs sake, WoW has arguably the worst graphics in MMOs/RPGs to date, yet rakes cash as if it falls from trees.

 

I agree with most people above me saying that there's no reason that R* should feel the need to carry over every single feature, but lets be fair, there are some features that should have been carried over, as a large majority enjoyed them.

 

I'm not a V hater, a IV hater, or a SA hater.  I'm just a GTA fan that wants to see the series continue on the up and up, and in my opinion, it has yet to regain steam after SA.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:05 PM Edited by DoubleOGJohnson, 10 October 2013 - 02:16 PM.

 

 

I preferred San Andreas. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I genuinely thought it was a better game.
 
Admittedly I was a lot younger, but I much preferred the story, the soundtrack, the environment, the characters, almost everything.
 
If San Andreas had better graphics and Euphoria physics, the game would be unbeatable. I mean, it's taken 9 years for Rockstar to re-implement swimming underwater.
 
Having three main characters, none of which I particularly like, isn't 'groundbreaking'. I'd rate it a 6/10, and that's being kind.

 
This is exactly the problem with you guys. You just want a 2,0 game. Where the hell is the fun of just playing the same product all over again? Unlike some developers (Activision), Rockstar actually have ambition and innovation.
The problem with you guys is that R* could take a dump, put it in a case, label the case GTA, sell it and you would still be satisfied with it.

Not saying V is crap, just that expectations have increased.

 

 

True, the OP is complaining because fans expect for the franchise to be further along after GTA SA. WOW!!! CONSUMERS HAVE STANDARDS?!? BLASPHEMY!!! Then he calls the fans, fanboys. I don't think he knows what a fanboy is. A GTA fanboy is someone who doesn't have a critical mind, only likes what he is told to like, never asks for more, only accepts the features and content he is given even when it is lacking, thinks that whatever features are left out were removed "for our own good", thinks that Rockstar is so much more smarter than the consumer that they know what consumers want more than consumers themselves do, they think it is blasphemy to demand any standards, worships Rockstar, never criticizes Rockstar, and is pro-develop and anti-consumer. Most fans who like GTA SA over GTA 4 and 5 tend to be willing and able to be critical of Rockstar, wont overhype a game simply because it is new, tend to be more pro-consumer, more lucid when analyzing the games side by side, are not so easily impressed simply by graphics, tend to have their own standards instead of allowing Rockstar to set standards for them, and do not hold the belief that it is a sin to criticize Rockstar.

 

So what again makes people who like GTA SA over other GTA's fanboys again? Well nothing really. The people who cant play a game because it is "old" are usually fanboys and GTA SA fans don't fit in that picture. Fanboys also never criticize the developer, instead they direct their animosity towards the fans and consumers who point out shortcoming instead of questioning the ACTUAL DEVELOPERS who created those shortcomings. They get mad at fans for wanting features and make fun of specific features just as the OP blasted fans for liking "haircuts". The OP is angry at fans for the performance of GTA 4 and GTA 5 instead of taking his concerns to the people who f*ckING MADE THE GAME!! So based off everything I've said, he's closer to fanboyism than anyone he accuses.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:18 PM

The point that I'm tryin' to drive across is this:

 

When we were done with GTA III, we knew some of the things we wanted for the next one,--- like flight!! That Dodo just made us all real horny for it. Then, Vice City Came along. BOOM! It gave us that and more. It was a big step forward.  

 

After we wore VC out, again, we knew what we wanted for the next one. BOOM!! San An dropped. For the time, it was huge and had everything we wanted and more. Loads of flying, we could jack trains, had many interiors, could gamble, all sorts of new stuff. It was a huge leap forward for GTA fans. I love that game not for CJ, but for the features and the place.

 

After we played San An until our hands and eyes bled, we knew what we wanted for the next one. Then IV came along. A lot of things were missing and the map was small. WTF?? It did introduce us to good driving mechanics and a great collision model, but it lacked in so many ways that it became a disappointment and viewed by many as two steps back. Niko and the others were great, but after beating it what did we have?

 

After being bored to death by IV, many of us knew we wanted to get back to business with V. Then V dropped. At first a lot of us were WOW'D. Then, we quickly noticed that there was something wrong with the driving mechanic. Then we noticed that the collision model was severely dumbed down. We couldn't jack trains. It was hard to find helis, once we found them, they have this weeble-wobble thing going on that completely makes flying sucky as hell. WTF??

 

We discover there are no Burger Chots or any other interiors other than the 24/7. That's not at all what we were expecting. This is San An baby!!! The game is absolutely gorgeous, but it has no soul. The vehicles that we wanted...not there. The car mods look as if they were a last minute add on with lame variety. The story was short and poorly written. We can't hook up to tractor attachments. No combine. We can't hook up luggage cars. Flying is terrible compared to San An. No cranes. We can't haul vehicles on semis.

 

The list and evidence against GTA V is a long one. This appears, to me, to be a half-assed game. This game, IMO, is two steps back yet again, and in many ways too. WTF were R* thinking? Did they listen to the whiners too much, or the idiotic requests by some loud members? Possibly. I mean, we got 'aliens' in GTA V(shakes head). I would've been happy hearing about a bigfoot sighting myself. I can honestly say that I don't think that R* made those steps forward like they did with most other GTA's. It lacks that innovation that we all come to expect from them. I expected better and am a little shocked at what we got. Not saying that it's a terrible game, but it damn sure ain't no 10/10. Before R* can go forward with GTA 6, they have some soul searching to do and have to try and remember what it was they were trying to do in the first few GTA games. 7.4/10

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:38 PM Edited by DoubleOGJohnson, 10 October 2013 - 02:41 PM.

 

 

I preferred San Andreas. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I genuinely thought it was a better game.

 

Admittedly I was a lot younger, but I much preferred the story, the soundtrack, the environment, the characters, almost everything.

 

If San Andreas had better graphics and Euphoria physics, the game would be unbeatable. I mean, it's taken 9 years for Rockstar to re-implement swimming underwater.

 

Having three main characters, none of which I particularly like, isn't 'groundbreaking'. I'd rate it a 6/10, and that's being kind. 

 

This is exactly the problem with you guys. You just want a 2,0 game. Where the hell is the fun of just playing the same product all over again? Unlike some developers (Activision), Rockstar actually have ambition and innovation.

 

Exactly. That is why I bet R secretly loathe SA. You create something great and now people just want you copy it over and over again instead of making something else that might be different but still great. I am starting maybe Rockstar should just make a SA PT 2 so people will be happy then they can get back to making the games they want.

 

 

That's the thing I don't get though, why should we be subject to the "game they want to make"? It should be based on what the fans want. The consumers don't owe the developer, developers owe the consumer because the fans are the ones buying the games and keeping them in business. That big budget they have, and the cars and houses the staff members at Rockstar came from the fans. Dan Houser's comfortable livestyle is off the backs of the fans. So if the fans are demanding interiors, properties, casinos, and all types of sh*t, then you need to get your ass off the couch, go to the development studio, and make those things because you can buy reviews but you cant buy public perception. You can have a realistic game, with great graphics and a great engine AND still include the basis sh*t people are asking for. This whole, "you can have this, but we won't give you that" sh*t needs to end. It's 2014, we're about to be a decade removed from GTA SA and 2 console systems away from PS1/XBOX. The excuses are over, and fans shouldn't have to beg for features that were in a game 10 years ago on an old ass system, these should be basic things by now.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:27 PM

 

 

 

I preferred San Andreas. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I genuinely thought it was a better game.

 

Admittedly I was a lot younger, but I much preferred the story, the soundtrack, the environment, the characters, almost everything.

 

If San Andreas had better graphics and Euphoria physics, the game would be unbeatable. I mean, it's taken 9 years for Rockstar to re-implement swimming underwater.

 

Having three main characters, none of which I particularly like, isn't 'groundbreaking'. I'd rate it a 6/10, and that's being kind. 

 

This is exactly the problem with you guys. You just want a 2,0 game. Where the hell is the fun of just playing the same product all over again? Unlike some developers (Activision), Rockstar actually have ambition and innovation.

 

Exactly. That is why I bet R secretly loathe SA. You create something great and now people just want you copy it over and over again instead of making something else that might be different but still great. I am starting maybe Rockstar should just make a SA PT 2 so people will be happy then they can get back to making the games they want.

 

 

That's the thing I don't get though, why should we be subject to the "game they want to make"? It should be based on what the fans want. The consumers don't owe the developer, developers owe the consumer because the fans are the ones buying the games and keeping them in business. That big budget they have, and the cars and houses the staff members at Rockstar came from the fans. Dan Houser's comfortable livestyle is off the backs of the fans. So if the fans are demanding interiors, properties, casinos, and all types of sh*t, then you need to get your ass off the couch, go to the development studio, and make those things because you can buy reviews but you cant buy public perception. You can have a realistic game, with great graphics and a great engine AND still include the basis sh*t people are asking for. This whole, "you can have this, but we won't give you that" sh*t needs to end. It's 2014, we're about to be a decade removed from GTA SA and 2 console systems away from PS1/XBOX. The excuses are over, and fans shouldn't have to beg for features that were in a game 10 years ago on an old ass system, these should be basic things by now.

 

Because if the creators are not really into it and behind it 100% it comes across as half assed. You can never please everybody so why not make something that you truly have passion for and whoever likes it likes it. I respect that more than just trying to make everybody happy which will never happen.

 

If there is one complaint about V I would say that in some spots it seems like blatant pandering. Thank god I didn't see dubstep guns and the aliens were just Michael and Trevor tripping but it does seem thrown in there to please SR fans who claim GTA is too serious now. 


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#118

Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:51 PM

Another thing is that while I think listening to fans is good trying to please SA fanboys is like trying to please a nagging wife. No matter what they will find something to nitpick so why even bother? This game bought a lot of vehicles back from SA and people that they don't handle exactly like SA. There is no making these people happy.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:56 PM

I wish GTA 5 never existed.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:45 PM

I agree with everything OP said, except for SA not existing. You know why? Because it just raises the respect I always had for Rockstar even more.

 

After the commercial success of SA they could just keep making clones of it for easy money (just like many other video game companies do), and pretty much ruin the whole GTA series (just like many other video game companies do), but instead they try to make different things, to push things forward, to keep the franchise fresh with every new installment.





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