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Posted 12 October 2013 - 07:27 PM

Some of the deleted trees (Not all) I'm thinking were more geared towards artistic decision than console limitations.

 

And can anyone find the right spot for the Mt. Chiliad scene from Trailer 1? I looked all over and can't find the right area. Possible Rockstar altered this part of the terrain. (Where the hikers are standing etc.)

 

Here it is.

 

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http://i.imgur.com/3tnBrGo.jpg

 

The location (according to a poster in another thread) is "Procopio Truck Stop along Great Ocean Highway, Blaine County"


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 07:51 PM

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Wish it looked the first one...*cough cough PC version*


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:07 PM

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Don't you guys get it that it's so empty because that guy moved away already, hence the for sale sign.

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:14 PM

two new comparisons I made. (on my Mt. Chilliad pic it began to rain, sorry!)

 

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They removed a huge amount of trees  :/. Current gen  :(  

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:16 PM

HERE WE GO AGAIN, PC MASTERS. :p Yeah, hate to break it to you guys, some tree's were removed but small details like trash, etc, ARE still in the game, they only appear on Thursdays, the 2405 house has been cleaned up a lot though as a design choice.

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:22 PM

Still, this game looks really beautiful! especially for a game that's running on 8 YEAR OLD hardware! 

can't wait to see a gta game on next gen! 


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:26 PM

 

 

 

At least the bicycle is still there.

 

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can you explain to me why the house looks so different in this screenshot? different consoles? or different houses?

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The empty one is GTA Online, the other one is GTA V SP


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:37 PM Edited by RaduG, 12 October 2013 - 09:02 PM.

HERE WE GO AGAIN, PC MASTERS. :p Yeah, hate to break it to you guys, some tree's were removed but small details like trash, etc, ARE still in the game, they only appear on Thursdays, the 2405 house has been cleaned up a lot though as a design choice.

They don't have the game and they don't read. They just look at the comparisons in which the final game looks less detailed and then bitch about it. They only care about the trees and that damn house. I posted a lot of comparisons in which the game looks the same as the trailer or screenshots but they don't comment on those.

I'm glad I'm not the only PC gamer defending the console version. My advice for you is to stop visiting or at least stop posting in the PC thread until the PC version is announced because right now you're not welcome there if you are not an elitist or a conspiracist.

 

 

I posted this again for those who don't bother looking through the other pages.

 

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http://i.imgur.com/xT4RDJo.jpg

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:37 PM

HERE WE GO AGAIN, PC MASTERS. :p Yeah, hate to break it to you guys, some tree's were removed but small details like trash, etc, ARE still in the game, they only appear on Thursdays, the 2405 house has been cleaned up a lot though as a design choice.

And they didn't have to remove the trees. Instancing, it's easy to do. Maybe testers complained about crashing into them when flying or driving?


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:17 PM

were is the place were the red car guy does the convertable opening and when he looks at that lady. now i mean what part of ls like a map with a star


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:55 PM

Can someone give me the map location to the trailer one house??

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:18 PM

Can someone give me the map location to the trailer one house??

Here it is. This was posted in this thread by Ash_735 at page 5.

 

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:21 PM

I forgot to edit my post. Thank you though!!

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:28 PM

were is the place were the red car guy does the convertable opening and when he looks at that lady. now i mean what part of ls like a map with a star

Ha,ha,ha! That red car guy has a name, you know? :lol:

That place is right by the tattoo parlor near Vespucci Beach.

 

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:29 PM

 

HERE WE GO AGAIN, PC MASTERS. :p Yeah, hate to break it to you guys, some tree's were removed but small details like trash, etc, ARE still in the game, they only appear on Thursdays, the 2405 house has been cleaned up a lot though as a design choice.

They don't have the game and they don't read. They just look at the comparisons in which the final game looks less detailed and then bitch about it. They only care about the trees and that damn house. I posted a lot of comparisons in which the game looks the same as the trailer or screenshots but they don't comment on those.

I'm glad I'm not the only PC gamer defending the console version. My advice for you is to stop visiting or at least stop posting in the PC thread until the PC version is announced because right now you're not welcome there if you are not an elitist or a conspiracist.

 

 

I posted this again for those who don't bother looking through the other pages.


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The problem here is that you're nt understanding what people are mentioning, yes a lot of trees were removed, the same goes for grass... lots of it. Look to the screen in the sunset where you see that "oil pumper", all the grass is gone. completely, also trees mean a lot of polygons to render and with wind effects even more stress on the hardware. That was the reason why those got removed, not for artistic impressions and I'm betting here those will be in the PC/ Next Gen version for sure. They don't create assets and spread them al over just to remove them.

Another thing you're missing to see is the textures quality, the screens are way different from the promotional shots and that is exactly what happens with the PC version, you can move the sliders and get lower or higher textures. And there is also the LOD, take a look at the screen comparison of that promotional shot of the helicopter over the city and then the screen of the console, the scenario is exactly the same the height is almost the same, but the details you see in the distance are different and you can't adjust that on consoles.

Take a look to your "dam screen" the light conditions are exactly the same, but look to the textures and the shadows, can you see how the light is scattered? Can you see how it's projected? Thats not Photoshop those are techniques only possible with DX10 or DX11, that was one of the biggest changes between DX9 and Dx10 and DX11 made it better.

The picture you have right under that with the beach walk, once again and like I mentioned in other screens in similar light conditions there are shadows not being cast, mostly from buildings.

Many differences aren't in the assets that were clearly removed, it's in their quality, in the shadows, textures, what is expected to change actually.

Oh and by curiosity, remember that thread about the "smooth ear of Franklin"? Pay attention to it, look to his right ear and the ear of Rockstar screenshot, pay atention to the detail, to the lines and also to the shadows and reflection of Franklin, can you see it?

They don't look much different and Rockstar made a hell of a job, but there are plenty of details that can be spotted by trained eyes and who is used to play around with quality settings. Not that matters much, the only thing that matters here is that Rockstar promoted the game using a version that wasn't the current gen consoles.

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:38 PM

 

 

HERE WE GO AGAIN, PC MASTERS. :p Yeah, hate to break it to you guys, some tree's were removed but small details like trash, etc, ARE still in the game, they only appear on Thursdays, the 2405 house has been cleaned up a lot though as a design choice.

They don't have the game and they don't read. They just look at the comparisons in which the final game looks less detailed and then bitch about it. They only care about the trees and that damn house. I posted a lot of comparisons in which the game looks the same as the trailer or screenshots but they don't comment on those.

I'm glad I'm not the only PC gamer defending the console version. My advice for you is to stop visiting or at least stop posting in the PC thread until the PC version is announced because right now you're not welcome there if you are not an elitist or a conspiracist.

 

 

I posted this again for those who don't bother looking through the other pages.


*Deleted Images*

 

http://i.imgur.com/xT4RDJo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RDaOQMY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1cSx1fL.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/77fVxqd.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/31kIQwr.jpg

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The problem here is that you're nt understanding what people are mentioning, yes a lot of trees were removed, the same goes for grass... lots of it. Look to the screen in the sunset where you see that "oil pumper", all the grass is gone. completely, also trees mean a lot of polygons to render and with wind effects even more stress on the hardware. That was the reason why those got removed, not for artistic impressions and I'm betting here those will be in the PC/ Next Gen version for sure. They don't create assets and spread them al over just to remove them.

Another thing you're missing to see is the textures quality, the screens are way different from the promotional shots and that is exactly what happens with the PC version, you can move the sliders and get lower or higher textures. And there is also the LOD, take a look at the screen comparison of that promotional shot of the helicopter over the city and then the screen of the console, the scenario is exactly the same the height is almost the same, but the details you see in the distance are different and you can't adjust that on consoles.

Take a look to your "dam screen" the light conditions are exactly the same, but look to the textures and the shadows, can you see how the light is scattered? Can you see how it's projected? Thats not Photoshop those are techniques only possible with DX10 or DX11, that was one of the biggest changes between DX9 and Dx10 and DX11 made it better.

The picture you have right under that with the beach walk, once again and like I mentioned in other screens in similar light conditions there are shadows not being cast, mostly from buildings.

Many differences aren't in the assets that were clearly removed, it's in their quality, in the shadows, textures, what is expected to change actually.

Oh and by curiosity, remember that thread about the "smooth ear of Franklin"? Pay attention to it, look to his right ear and the ear of Rockstar screenshot, pay atention to the detail, to the lines and also to the shadows and reflection of Franklin, can you see it?

They don't look much different and Rockstar made a hell of a job, but there are plenty of details that can be spotted by trained eyes and who is used to play around with quality settings. Not that matters much, the only thing that matters here is that Rockstar promoted the game using a version that wasn't the current gen consoles.

 

You always have very good arguments, the only one who knows how to comment about the PC version of GTA V without fighting or etc ... Congratulations Dude! : D **Parabéns aliás hehe**  :lol:  :lol:


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 11:26 PM Edited by RaduG, 12 October 2013 - 11:58 PM.

The problem here is that you're nt understanding what people are mentioning, yes a lot of trees were removed, the same goes for grass... lots of it. Look to the screen in the sunset where you see that "oil pumper", all the grass is gone. completely, also trees mean a lot of polygons to render and with wind effects even more stress on the hardware. That was the reason why those got removed, not for artistic impressions and I'm betting here those will be in the PC/ Next Gen version for sure. They don't create assets and spread them al over just to remove them.

etc.

 

I understand what you are saying. I'm a PC gamer, I model buildings and other things in 3ds Max as a hobby, I like to play with the graphics settings on games and make comparisons. But if the difference is as small as a slightly smoother ear that you can only notice if you have a trained eye and you stare at it, it doesn't worth complaining. Rockstar used the PC version to take the screenshots? I don't care. The difference is not that big anyway.

 

Are you telling me you care if the console gamers have been lied by Rockstar? I don't think you do. I think you do this because you are in a bad situation because you don't know how much you need to wait until the game is launched on PC. I would have been in the same situation if I wouldn't have bought a console to play the damn game instead of waiting until R* mentions something about the PC version.

 

Yes, I was mad at Rockstar too. I still am in fact. I don't like ported games and I don't like that the PC version is not launched alongside the console versions. But that's the way it is. Almost every game in the last years has been a port in my eyes. If a game is made with consoles in mind it can have DX11 features and whatnot, but it still has the same amount of polygons (tessellation doesn't count). You are still gonna see flat texures instead of geometry even in the PC version so why even bother?

 

That's my point. I don't care anymore. I just wanted to play the game so I bought a console. I will have enough time to analyse Franklin's ear when the game arrives on PC.

 

 

I have no disrespect for the console gamers and I think I proved that. The game companies have disrespect for the PC gamers thinking that it's ok to make a sh*tty port just because they have less customers on PC than on consoles. But I don't like PC "elitists" either, that's why I stay away from the PC thread because I'm not welcome there.

I used to like that thread, it was different. But now it's just about whining and conspiracies.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:19 AM Edited by S1LV3R_W0LF, 13 October 2013 - 12:21 AM.

Well the PC thread has gone to hell since it was moved thats a fact, it started as news and it was news and turned into a stupidity playground, with whining and fights over things that don't matter at all for the main point of the thread.

Anyway if you work with graphics you know what I'm talking about, and you also know the difference between API's is exactly that, the details and the way graphics are rendered. Also remember that those promotional shots had the purpose to show a beautiful thing, something with more eye candy then consoles but not exactly show the full potential of whatever version they used. I'd say that most of those shots could be using the advanced API settings for some details but not all. Those are reserved for the actual final build promotion for the specific platform.

But what I'm trying to show here is that they had a version other then these gen consoles ready alongside them and the reason some of the assets were removed of changed (not only trees were removed but changed to less dynamic and detailed versions) wasn't necessarily a development decision but the fact that they've shown a different version of it. The same will happen with WD when they for teh first time shown the current gen version footage and people said "wtf that looks like a PS2 game". GTA might not got to that extend but there will be differences.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:33 AM

Some more for you guys. These are actually really fun to make, but you can only do so much.

 

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Always thought that top one looked a bit too good to be true, hell if it weren't for the people, I would have thought it was an actual photo


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 05:35 AM

i know who the red car guy is its franklin i think if it is him he looks diffrent. and someone should do a comparrison of the ally were the suppused cj is chased by the cops in trailer 1. btw no i know it aint cj but thats what alot of people thought he was. the alley is at geralds place in gta online near franklins house it would be a cool comparison


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 05:41 AM

i know who the red car guy is its franklin i think if it is him he looks diffrent. and someone should do a comparrison of the ally were the suppused cj is chased by the cops in trailer 1. btw no i know it aint cj but thats what alot of people thought he was. the alley is at geralds place in gta online near franklins house it would be a cool comparison

thats beta franklin i think


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:09 AM

Some more for you guys. These are actually really fun to make, but you can only do so much.

 

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What's funny is they left the X,Y,Z axis in the original screenshot. Look at the house on the very left.

 

The black man in the first trailer isn't a beta Franklin. He's a mugger, and can be found in one of the "random events" where the woman gets mugged of $500. If you chase him down and kill him, you'll find it's the exact same model as in the trailer. Granted, he may have been used as a placeholder for one of the main characters at first.

 

I plan on making a "beta content" thread in the near future. Be on the lookout for it. These are all very interesting finds.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:10 AM

OMG, on the last screen they removed some trees, Cockstar lied to us once again !!! Preorder cancelled !!!!!!

Beside, very good idea, OP!

how can you cancel pre-order if it's already out =_=


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:16 AM

Well, looks like a few trees were removed and trash doesn't spawn infront of houses as often as I'd like.

 

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 09:42 AM

As a gamer, I'm extremely proud to be a dedicated fan of Rockstar and all of their game titles. Grand Theft Auto V is something really special to the gaming industry, a huge milestone in a number of ways. A game that was delivered by an experienced team of dedicated developers, something I can appreciate. 


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 04:28 PM

Come on! Where are you people? Don't let this thread die! We still have a lot of screenshots to compare.

 

If you want a comparison of a specific shot, ask me.

 

 

i know who the red car guy is its franklin i think if it is him he looks diffrent. and someone should do a comparrison of the ally were the suppused cj is chased by the cops in trailer 1. btw no i know it aint cj but thats what alot of people thought he was. the alley is at geralds place in gta online near franklins house it would be a cool comparison

I know, I know. I thought it was funny that even after the game was released there was someone(you) who called him "red car guy" instead of "beta Franklin".

Here you go. I will try to take the aerial shot too.

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 04:54 PM

Come on! Where are you people? Don't let this thread die! We still have a lot of screenshots to compare.
 
If you want a comparison of a specific shot, ask me.
 
 


i know who the red car guy is its franklin i think if it is him he looks diffrent. and someone should do a comparrison of the ally were the suppused cj is chased by the cops in trailer 1. btw no i know it aint cj but thats what alot of people thought he was. the alley is at geralds place in gta online near franklins house it would be a cool comparison

I know, I know. I thought it was funny that even after the game was released there was someone(you) who called him "red car guy" instead of "beta Franklin".
Here you go. I will try to take the aerial shot too.
 
ZjIeEPY.jpg

nice! Can you tell me where this is located on the map, please? I can't find it

I will post some new comparisons tomorrow! :)

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:44 AM

nice! Can you tell me where this is located on the map, please? I can't find it


I will post some new comparisons tomorrow! :)

 

This is the location.

 

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:55 AM

HERE WE GO AGAIN, PC MASTERS. :p Yeah, hate to break it to you guys, some tree's were removed but small details like trash, etc, ARE still in the game, they only appear on Thursdays, the 2405 house has been cleaned up a lot though as a design choice.

Some trees??? Yeah like 80% of them sure is only ''some''


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:13 PM


nice! Can you tell me where this is located on the map, please? I can't find it
I will post some new comparisons tomorrow! :)

 
This is the location.
 
eu0HJYE.jpg

thanks dude. :)




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