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#61

Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:01 PM Edited by Official General, 08 October 2013 - 03:01 PM.

The main theme of GTA V about the pursuit of money has kind of lost me. Michael is already rich in a way, he's already got his nice mansion on a hill and he drives nice cars.Trevor don't really care about living a life of luxury, he still lives in a dirty trailer regardless of the money he makes. It's only Franklin who really seems money-motivated and driven out of the three, no surprise there, since he's from the ghetto. And most of the heists and moves mostly seem to revolve around all 3 guys acting as lapdogs for the corrupt FIB, just being sent here and there on risky missions doing their dirty work.

 

The heist missions in V have been fun and in some cases brilliant, but I just don't see where the strong desire to pursue money comes into play, with exception of Franklin. Even then there could have been more stuff to spend money on like expensive jewelry (not just diamond studs) and safehouse customization. Franklin should have at least been given the option to choose what safehouse property he wanted to buy. Being given a luxury property kind of defeats the purpose of committing crimes for lots of cash to live a life of luxury. If you're gonna be simply given certain luxury things of major importance, then there is no point in pursing money so hard is there ?

 

In SA you could choose and buy as many safehouses you wanted, you could buy lots of expensive jewelry items like watches and chains, you could gamble at the casino and bookies, customize cars, - this is all in addition to buying and owning businesses, tattoos, clothes and all those extras. When you think about it, SA's options for the use of money was huge considering the game was not centrally about the pursuit of money, but the 1990s LA gang culture. V is about pursuit of money and it barely has half of the stuff that SA had concerning the use of money. 

 

I'm still satisfied with V overall, but I cannot deny that Rockstar could have done much better with this theme and storyline.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:01 PM Edited by Magnet_man16, 08 October 2013 - 03:06 PM.

I think the thing is the games missing a soul. Theres no mood. And they obviously made a good game and removed things to get it to work. The scaling of the map is wrong. Roads are stupidly wide and doors on some buildings (enterable and non) are twice the size of the player.

 

It ruins the immersion. I also feel there's no unique places. I felt GTA IV's map was made with the idea of fun in mind. Cool ramps over rivers and special unique places. In V its just long wide roads with nothing except flat desert and hills. Seriously the hills along the hollywood sign have nothing on them at all?... absolutely no immersion...

 

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Instead we have a large empty map with no soul...

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Cant wait for next gen version where detail will not be removed. They can undo all the tree deletions and make the WHOLE world immersive.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:09 PM

I think the thing is the games missing a soul. Theres no mood. And they obviously made a good game and removed things to get it to work. The scaling of the map is wrong. Roads are stupidly wide and doors on some buildings (enterable and non) are twice the size of the player.

 

It ruins the immersion. I also feel there's no unique places. I felt GTA IV's map was made with the idea of fun in mind. Cool ramps over rivers and special unique places. In V its just long wide roads with nothing except flat desert and hills. Seriously the hills along the hollywood sign have nothing on them at all?... absolutely no immersion...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead we have a large empty map with no soul...

 

 

 

Cant wait for next gen version where detail will not be removed. They can undo all the tree deletions and make the WHOLE world immersive.

You're right. 

They wanted too much and then recognized that current gen can't handle it. So they removed everything that would have made this game the masterpiece everyone was expecting.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:20 PM

Penis. That is all

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:20 PM Edited by DoubleOGJohnson, 08 October 2013 - 03:22 PM.

 

 

 

I don't think it's necessarily rushed compared to SA especially. SA is one of the most rushed GTAs ever made.
It's never felt to me like the game R* wanted to make. More of a statement than anything. It's full of bugs and glitches and shallow features. The entire asset side of it has always felt half assed compared to VC.
GTA V has its faults, but I'm not sure if I'd put down to being rushed. There was obviously a lot of time and effort spent on it.
Something SA lacks considerably.

Are you kidding me? VC is a DLC compared to SA. What did VC improve in gameplay? Nothing, same bad movement, gunplay, driving, and camera angle. 
 
The only thing VC added that was good is its story which was stolen from Scarface. 

Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? I don't care about what's better between VC and SA. That's not what the thread is about.

 

I find it funny how you say SA was rush while it improve in so many ways with controls. 

 

Like I said a long time ago why do people like Vice City?
- Tommy

- 80's theme + Music

- Story

- The City itself

 

It didn't improve gameplay and had the exact controls that III had. VC IS A RUSH GTA GAME.

 

 

Most of the argument has to do with the 80's setting and some of it is cultural bias, because truth be told outside of that there really isn't an argument to put VC over GTA San Andreas. People loved VC because it was in the 80's and it was essentially Scarface with Italians, but in no realm of possibility is GTA Vice City better than GTA San Andreas. A segment of the GTA fanbase also downplays GTA SA because it had a heavy black/Mexican influence, was based on street gangs, had more hiphop elements than any other GTA and because of that some people try to shaft it. Some people's pride and egos will not admit that a game with a black male from South Central LA could be superior to a game based on Scarface game with the Italian dude. Picking VC because it's another one of those Italian type of games that flooded the market in the early 2000's but in no way shape or form is it as good as GTA SA. In no realm, planet, galaxy, or plain of existence is VC better than San Andreas

 

Some people prefer VC because it is more comfortable, GTA SA pushed cultural boundaries and really went to a new level for open world games. GTA VC is a great game, but it is not touching San Andreas.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:11 PM

I think the thing is the games missing a soul. Theres no mood. And they obviously made a good game and removed things to get it to work. The scaling of the map is wrong. Roads are stupidly wide and doors on some buildings (enterable and non) are twice the size of the player.

 

It ruins the immersion. I also feel there's no unique places. I felt GTA IV's map was made with the idea of fun in mind. Cool ramps over rivers and special unique places. In V its just long wide roads with nothing except flat desert and hills. Seriously the hills along the hollywood sign have nothing on them at all?... absolutely no immersion...

 

Grand-Theft-Auto-5-Screenshots-Parachuti

gta-v-screenshot-14.jpg

 

gta-v-screenshot-bad-economy.jpg

 

 

 

640px-Gta-5-trailer-1-hikers-making-the-

 

Instead we have a large empty map with no soul...

riding-moto-in-mountain-944x531.jpg

 

 

Cant wait for next gen version where detail will not be removed. They can undo all the tree deletions and make the WHOLE world immersive.

On the next gen version they don't really need to improve the graphic just add alot more stuff 


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:15 PM

they spent 5 years making a game then spent 6 months cutting as much outta the game as they could to harvest into dirty DLC. shame on u rockstar. Shame on you dan houser. shame on you sam houser.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:18 PM

GTA V is the most polished game I've ever played. Take off your nostalgia glasses and go back and play San Andreas. It was good back when it came out, but it sure as hell hasn't aged well!


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:22 PM

Think they cut a lot out to keep it looking good


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:33 PM Edited by AAR, 08 October 2013 - 04:34 PM.

Some things that makes the game feel more amazing are missing, there's no doubt. Just look at the pictures or scenes from the first trailer. I think that the only remedy for this is GTA V on next gen consoles and PC.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:36 PM

Neither are rushed, simple. But I still can't decide which game is the better one.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:38 PM

they spent 5 years making a game then spent 6 months cutting as much outta the game as they could to harvest into dirty DLC. shame on u rockstar. Shame on you dan houser. shame on you sam houser.

buy the game and play it, prick.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 06:39 PM

 

 

 

I don't think the game was rushed I think that Rockstar has their priorities bleeped up... And screwed over people for the crappy GTA Online.

this is the kind of size i wanted (this would be possible even on current gen) with a little less trees what i mean is a part of the map that dosn't have roads just forest

 

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This is Grand Theft Auto, not a nature simulator. Dense forests like that wouldn't fit the play style of the game R* intends, and thus would be a waste, assets, and money.

 

let me correct myself i meant small roads hidden by trees it is once again hard to explain but a more isolated area less open area

 

cabin in the woods with trails to take a bike or a car in in a dense forest

 

That's exactly what Im saying. Most of the wilderness is just a bunch of useless fake ass narrow mountains, no remote areas, no dense forests, even SA had more of that.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:14 PM

I totally agree with you zzcool.

All we can hope for is the PC version being like the screenshots.

 

But Next-gen, oh next gen GTA is going to be awesome.

So much more power, and not these old crappy consoles.

I am hoping for the forests that are actually forests, not just 20 trees.

I want it to actually feel like wilderness.

And bigger towns with more interiors and details, I just can't wait 5 years for it to actually happen.

 

But when it does it is going to be 20 times more hype than GTA V, and we actually wont be disappointed at the end.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:31 PM

I agree there are flaws in the game, but not in the way you're thinking. They could have added heists in free roam, liven up the wildlife and mountain terrains more. Being able to buy houses and go gamble in a casino. I don't understand why there is one in the first place and it isn't even enterable. A few more reasons but that is it. Otherwise this game is perfect in my opinion.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:46 PM Edited by SonofUgly, 08 October 2013 - 07:47 PM.

It really feels like they bet too much on Online, and the fact that they can continuously update Online... this is how I see it going down at R*:

"Hey I thought up this great feature/mission, lets add it into V."

"Well the single player schedule is already pretty tight, so lets add it to online."

"But you've said that about the last 3 things I've brought up, it'll never make it by launch."

"Nah, it's cool, we'll just add it in a couple months down the line."

 

 

About the map, both HD era games don't feel right IMO. They both went for just recreating an area, then gameplay/missions were added on top. Whereas the 3D era felt like someone thought up a mission and then the map was changed around that - the world fit the gameplay instead of the gameplay fitting the world.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:07 PM

I think the major problem was because sh*tstation 3 and sh*tbox 360 cant handle too much, this is why PC is a master race.

 

 

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:09 PM

I prefere GTA 5 :p


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:11 PM

I think the major problem was because sh*tstation 3 and sh*tbox 360 cant handle too much, this is why PC is a master race.

 

 

.I. Once we start modding the game the hell out, you'll be crying in corner.

 

I'm definitely jealous of the fact that PC gamers can mod GTA games. However I just cannot play games on PC, just not my style or preference. 


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:19 PM

 

 

 

 

I don't think the game was rushed I think that Rockstar has their priorities bleeped up... And screwed over people for the crappy GTA Online.

this is the kind of size i wanted (this would be possible even on current gen) with a little less trees what i mean is a part of the map that dosn't have roads just forest

 

AngelesCrest_chaparral.jpg

 

 

This is Grand Theft Auto, not a nature simulator. Dense forests like that wouldn't fit the play style of the game R* intends, and thus would be a waste, assets, and money.

 

let me correct myself i meant small roads hidden by trees it is once again hard to explain but a more isolated area less open area

 

cabin in the woods with trails to take a bike or a car in in a dense forest

 

That's exactly what Im saying. Most of the wilderness is just a bunch of useless fake ass narrow mountains, no remote areas, no dense forests, even SA had more of that.

 

GTA V is set in South California, and in South California you wont see much dense forest, GTA SA is set in i dont know whole California with addition of Nevada (because of LV). If GTA V was not only set in South California we'd see more forest, right now you'll see lack of forest, and more South Californias type nature.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:18 PM

I don't think it's necessarily rushed compared to SA especially. SA is one of the most rushed GTAs ever made.

It's never felt to me like the game R* wanted to make. More of a statement than anything. It's full of bugs and glitches and shallow features. The entire asset side of it has always felt half assed compared to VC.

GTA V has its faults, but I'm not sure if I'd put down to being rushed. There was obviously a lot of time and effort spent on it.

Something SA lacks considerably.

How the f*ck can you say that SA was one of the most rushed GTAs??? Do you want to know why it had bugs?? Well because it was a huge game compared to VC, the bigger the game, the more likely it is that you're gonna have bugs. I can't get how VC is supposed to be better than SA since SA offers 10X more stuff literally. The only thing VC has over SA are the car physics which are slightly better, other than that I don't see anything else.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:21 PM

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think the game was rushed I think that Rockstar has their priorities bleeped up... And screwed over people for the crappy GTA Online.

this is the kind of size i wanted (this would be possible even on current gen) with a little less trees what i mean is a part of the map that dosn't have roads just forest

 

AngelesCrest_chaparral.jpg

 

 

This is Grand Theft Auto, not a nature simulator. Dense forests like that wouldn't fit the play style of the game R* intends, and thus would be a waste, assets, and money.

 

let me correct myself i meant small roads hidden by trees it is once again hard to explain but a more isolated area less open area

 

cabin in the woods with trails to take a bike or a car in in a dense forest

 

That's exactly what Im saying. Most of the wilderness is just a bunch of useless fake ass narrow mountains, no remote areas, no dense forests, even SA had more of that.

 

GTA V is set in South California, and in South California you wont see much dense forest, GTA SA is set in i dont know whole California with addition of Nevada (because of LV). If GTA V was not only set in South California we'd see more forest, right now you'll see lack of forest, and more South Californias type nature.

 

And I don't like it that way. Blaine county is too full of empty mountains like I said that are soo narrow you barely climb on them. That's a very good strategy of enlarging the map in the easiest way possible.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:59 PM Edited by zzcool, 09 October 2013 - 02:04 PM.

it seems in my mind the game has not released yet when i see the first trailer and think of all the things i saw i feel 

 

the game has not released in my mind as the perfect game i expected did not exist i guess in the end my expectations were unrealistically and insanely high

 

it just feels like the game has not released yet and i am still waiting

 

it's a weird feeling i can't describe but it feels to me that it has not released yet that i am still waiting the game i saw and imagined is not the game i got it seems to me the game was better off not being released to keep it's legend (in perspective)

 

it all sounds so crazy and i feel crazy saying it or even trying to explain it

 

i guess you could say it's like all of a sudden they reveal everything in area 51 and it turns out it was just a testing ground for top secret weaponry and vehicle designs no aliens nothing

 

which means the secret of area 51 is better off as a secret

 

now i sound even crazier


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:01 PM

it seems in my mind the game has not released yet when i see the first trailer and think of all the things i saw i feel 

 

the game has not released in my mind as the perfect game i expected did not exist i guess in the end my expectations were unrealistically and insanely high

 

it just feels like the game has not released yet and i am still waiting

Don't worry, it has released.  I walked by a shop just today and they were still selling GTA V. 

 

It's been out about three weeks.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:06 PM Edited by zzcool, 09 October 2013 - 02:08 PM.

 

it seems in my mind the game has not released yet when i see the first trailer and think of all the things i saw i feel 

 

the game has not released in my mind as the perfect game i expected did not exist i guess in the end my expectations were unrealistically and insanely high

 

it just feels like the game has not released yet and i am still waiting

Don't worry, it has released.  I walked by a shop just today and they were still selling GTA V. 

 

It's been out about three weeks.

 

i meant in my mind my expectations were so high that i expected something that didn't exist

 

despite knowing it has released i feel it hasn't when i see the first trailer i see a completely different game than the one we got it's not the same thing as the game itself

 

i just feel it never released and what we got was something else

 

it is impossible to explain


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:11 PM

 

 

it seems in my mind the game has not released yet when i see the first trailer and think of all the things i saw i feel 

 

the game has not released in my mind as the perfect game i expected did not exist i guess in the end my expectations were unrealistically and insanely high

 

it just feels like the game has not released yet and i am still waiting

Don't worry, it has released.  I walked by a shop just today and they were still selling GTA V. 

 

It's been out about three weeks.

 

i meant in my mind my expectations were so high that i expected something that didn't exist

 

despite knowing it has released i feel it hasn't when i see the first trailer i see a completely different game than the one we got it's not the same thing as the game itself

 

i just feel it never released and what we got was something else

 

it is impossible to explain

 

Considering that what the first trailer showed was in the game (except possibly that tramp who looked a lot like Jerry Kapowitz), I can see why it would impossible to explain.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:13 PM

 

 

 

it seems in my mind the game has not released yet when i see the first trailer and think of all the things i saw i feel 

 

the game has not released in my mind as the perfect game i expected did not exist i guess in the end my expectations were unrealistically and insanely high

 

it just feels like the game has not released yet and i am still waiting

Don't worry, it has released.  I walked by a shop just today and they were still selling GTA V. 

 

It's been out about three weeks.

 

i meant in my mind my expectations were so high that i expected something that didn't exist

 

despite knowing it has released i feel it hasn't when i see the first trailer i see a completely different game than the one we got it's not the same thing as the game itself

 

i just feel it never released and what we got was something else

 

it is impossible to explain

 

Considering that what the first trailer showed was in the game (except possibly that tramp who looked a lot like Jerry Kapowitz), I can see why it would impossible to explain.

 



i
 waited too long for this game


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:14 PM Edited by ZeroZero, 09 October 2013 - 02:14 PM.

you can lower cars but you cannot lift them when rockstar games released the picture with trevor driving that big lifted pickup truck i thought it was a regular pickup truck that was lifted through customization

 

theres a small forest next to a road at the edge of the map that forest is so small it serves no purpose to be a forest

 

 

Yup, i dont understand why anyone would want to drop a big 4x4.. only logical thing to do is lift them..

 

And also i agree on the forest, and i would like to add the desert.. yes theres sand but almost every inch is covered by something, be it buildings, roads, antenna`s etc, i would have loved to see a bit of actual desert, with just rolling hills/dunes the size of the Palomino highlands..


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 02:52 AM Edited by savagejustice85, 13 October 2013 - 03:10 AM.

I agree this game feels a little rushed to me(like l4d2 but both games are great)i just wish there were more weapons attachments & weapons in gerenal(list below.btw more weapons allows for differenet play styles),recoil you can notice & feel on guns, the abilly to block melee attacks(especially gun butts its so f*ckin cheesy online because its so fast and if someone else has a gun its a one hit kill)abiliy to dogde & counter guns butts(exclusive to unarmend & melee weapons),gun butts can only be used by pressing a binded button f(pc)b(xbox 360)Circle(ps3),more patches(rockstar can only count to seven),learn fight styles at gyms & martial art schools(like san andreas),and the abilliy to plan & do hesits in free roam.

So Heres the list of weapons ive compiled take a look

Melee/non-leathals
-unarmed
-brass knuckles(for both hands)
-knife(*)(^)
-nightstick(*)(^)
-crowbar(*)(^)
-hammer(*)(^)
-matchete(*)(^)
-meat cleaver(*)(^)
-baseball bat
-golf club
-shovel
-fire axe
-slegehammer
-katana
-riot sheld(good for blocking bullets(execpt snipers),melee damage, but dosent help against explosives)-can be used standalone,with single handed melee weapons or low caliber pistols(*)
-chainsaw
-stun gun(^)(*)
-pepper spray(*)
-flashbang
-smoke grenade

pistols
-Beretta 92FS(pistol)(^)(^)
-glock 17(compact pistol)(*)(^)
-kimber M1911(combat pistol)(*)(^)
-IMI desert eagle(pistol .50)
-CZ-75 automatic(ap pistol)(*)(^)
-smith & wesson, model 14(revolver .38)(*)(^)
-taurus raging bull(magnum .44)

shotguns
-Stoeger Coach gun(double barrel shotgun)-can be sawed off to use in drive bys(^dual wield can be used if sawed off)
-remington 870(pump shotgun)-can be sawed off to use in drive bys
-keltec ksg(bullpup shotgun)
-benelli m4(combat shotgun)
-AA-12(assault shotgun)

smgs
-IWI mini uzi(micro smg)(^)
-Ingram mac 11(smg .45)(^)
-HK MP5A2(smg)
-ak 74u(high power smg)
-IWI MTAR 21(assault smg)

assault rifles
-AK 47(assault rifle)
-HK 416(carbine rifle)
-FN SCAR-L(combat rifle)
-M16A4(burst rifle)
-ruger mini 14(semi auto rifle)
-IWI TAR 21(advanced rifle)

sniper rifles
-remington 700(sniper rifle)
-AR10(combat sniper)
-barrett m82(heavy sniper)

Heavy
-rpk(light mg)
-pkm(mg)
-mk 48(combat mg)
-m249 saw(advanced mg)
-GE M134 minigun(minigun)
-HK 69A1(grenade launcher)
-milkor m32(mutilshot grenade launcher)
-rpg 7(rpg)
-IMI SMAW(advanced rpg)- can lock on to vehicles
-flamethorwer

throwables/misc
-baseball(used to play fetch with chomp)
-jerry can
-pipe bomb
-molotov
-M67(grenade)
-sticky bomb
-tear gas
-throwing knife
-tomahawk
-composite bow

(^) = can be Dual wielded


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:00 AM Edited by oCrapaCreeper, 13 October 2013 - 03:04 AM.



i
 waited too long for this game

 

Just about everything shown in that trailer is in the game, with the expection of that one house and some repositioned trees.

 

Even that mountain shot at the beginning is in the game, it's Mount Chiliad.

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