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Posted 03 October 2013 - 11:50 PM

 

A car chase that began when a driver struck a White House security barrier ended across downtown Washington, when police shot and killed the driver on a street near the U.S. Capitol, police said.

 

The woman driving the car was unarmed, law enforcement sources said. All the shots in the incident, which began about 2:14 p.m., were fired by police trying to stop her. Police fired at the car in at least two locations, as the car drove across Washington, and around the Capitol area.

 

Law enforcement officials said the car was registered to Miriam Carey, 34, of Stamford, Ct. The officials said they believe Carey was driving the car.

 

U.S. Capitol Police Chief Kim Dine said that there was a one year-old child in the car. The child was said to be in good condition.

 

Two officers were injured during the incident, including a Capitol Police officer and a Secret Service officer. Both were not seriously harmed.

 

“The security perimeters worked,” D.C. Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier said Thursday evening. “They did exactly what they were supposed to do.”

 

The chase and the shootings triggered a brief lockdown in the Capitol, which was full of lawmakers and staff focused on the ongoing government shutdown. Officers ran through the ornate hallways carrying semiautomatic weapons for a tense half hour as employees were told to ‘shelter in place’. But no one in the Capitol complex was hurt, and the House resumed its business before 4 p.m.

 

“We have no information that this is related to terrorism, or is anything other than an isolated incident,” Dine said. He gave no information about the driver’s identity, or a possible motive.

The chase apparently stretched across downtown Washington: it started at the security barriers outside one icon, and ended at the barriers outside another.

 

Police said shots were first fired at the car at Garfield Circle SW, a traffic circle on the southwest side of the Capitol. Shots were fired again at Maryland Avenue and Second Street SE. The car crashed, and then police fired again, Lanier said. Officers from both the Capitol Police and the Secret Service both fired, Lanier said, but it was unclear how many officers had fired shots, or how many rounds had been fired in total..

 

At the beginning of it all, Oregon residents B.J. and Susan Campbell saw a black sedan driven by a woman heading west on Pennsylvania, into a security checkpoint at 15th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue NW. The driver went about 20 yards, B.J. Campbell said, before rapidly turning the car around at the concrete security barriers.

 

“The Secret Service guy was just having a cow,” B.J. Campbell said. “Yelling at her and banging on the car.” The Secret Service officers pulled a black metal gate into her path and she slowed to try to go around it. Then the agent moved the gate in front of her again.

At that point “she just gunned it,” B.J. Campbell said. “She ran the barricade down and the guy; knocked him up onto her hood. He rolled off into the street, and she tore off down Pennsylvania Avenue.” The whole encounter lasted about 20 seconds, he said.

 

Another witness said the man was an off-duty officer in plain clothes holding a lunch cooler in his hand.

 

A few moments later and about 1.7 miles away, eyewitnesses reported seeing a black car speeding through Capitol Hill streets, pursued by several police vehicles.

 

“At first I thought the driver was trying to get out of the way of police, but then I realized [the car] was being chased,” said Giancarlo Refalo, a tourist from Malta.

 

Refalo said he heard several gunshots followed by “lots of screaming and shouting.” Then the black vehicle came back on First Street toward Constitution chased by police. “They were swerving all over the place,” he said. “By that time I was hiding in the bushes because I was so scared.”

 

“We was up at the Capitol, seeing some of the protesters, saw five or six cop cars chasing that car,” said Ryan Christiansen, from Idaho Falls, Idaho. He said it was a small black car and that police chased it “around and around” a traffic circle near the Capitol.

 

That was confirmed by video taken by the channel Alhurra, which showed officers pointing guns at a black sedan at the foot of Capitol Hill. The sedan then sped away from the officers, circled around two different traffic circles, and then sped east on Constitution Avenue toward the top of Capitol Hill.

 

“I thought it was a motorcade,” Christiansen said.

 

The driver “was pulling away, and somewhere between six and eight shots were fired,”

 

Christiansen said. Police tried to use their vehicles to block the car, but the driver “got out of that and got away,” he said.

 

He said he heard the shots and police told them all to hit the ground.

 

David Loewenberg, 21, an intern with the Education Department, arrived shortly after the shots were fired near the Capitol.

 

“I saw a police officer hugging a small child, taking her away,” Loewenberg said.

 

At the same time, Rep. Gerald E. Connolly (D-Va.) was on a balcony of the Capitol building. “It was almost like two very rapid-fire bursts, very loud,” Connolly said. He was standing with Rep. Matt Cartwright (D-Pa.) when they heard two bursts of gunfire. Connolly thought the shots had come from the opposite direction, toward the House office buildings to the south.

After the shots, Connolly said, “that’s when we saw people fleeing, and we realized this was no fireworks,” Connolly said. “It sounds liked the first volley of a 21 -gun salute.”

 

Connolly said he could see people fleeing the Rayburn Building and police officers running toward it before he was shepherded back into the building. The D.C. Fire and Emergency Medical Services Department said one person was transported to a hospital for treatment.

The order sent to Capitol personnel began with an all-caps message: SHELTER IN PLACE. “Gunshots have been reported on Capitol Hill requiring staff in all Senate Office Buildings to immediately shelter in place. Close, lock and stay away from external doors and windows,” said the message, sent by Capitol Police.

 

Afterward, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) took to Twitter to thank the police. “We all owe the Capitol Police a debt of gratitude for their work every day; no finer examples of professionalism & bravery,” Boehner wrote.

 

On the House floor, legislators rose for a round of applause after Minority Whip Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) praised Capitol Police for providing protection for the Capitol complex.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) spoke after the round of applause, telling the police force, “We really appreciate it.”

 

The chamber also stood and applauded for the staff of the House Sergeant at Arms.

 

Link - http://www.washingto...135e_story.html

 

Man, DC must be going through hell. First, the naval yard is shot up, then the shutdown, and now this.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 12:42 AM

Did they have to shoot and kill her? I know she was probably considered a national threat atm, but a simple pit maneuver and spike strips probably would have done the job anyway. Leave it to US officers and agents to respond with unnecessary brutal force. 


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 01:41 AM

She had a kid... smh


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 02:35 AM

Wouldn't surprise me if this is attributable to the government 'shutdown'.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 02:49 AM

So on to the unavoidable argument about guns in US. This is basically why we need them. Our cops are incompetent. I mean, totally. Even the ones in D.C., charged with protecting security of the Capitol, can't detain an unarmed woman without turning it into a bloodbath.

Have you seen the video? Have you seen the way the cops responded? They were all around the car. Did any of them shoot at the tires, at least? No. They waited until she backed up, ran into a cruiser, went forward, pushed several cops out of the way, and drove well out of range from which the cops could hit anything. THEN they started shooting.

And when they finally got into the cars, chased her all around D.C., and got her to crash, they started shooting again at the car that was no longer a flight risk.

D.C.'s finest, everyone. And from experience, in the rest of the country it's worse. I mean, there are plenty of good cops too, ones that do their job properly, but it's never something you can just rely on. Especially if you are going to get in genuinely dangerous situation. Ability to carry firearms is your best protection.
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Posted 04 October 2013 - 03:06 AM Edited by Raavi, 04 October 2013 - 03:07 AM.

One would think they would've boxed her in, there were more than enough LE vehicles on the scene. But instead D.C.'s short wearing finest try to pull an obviously 'confused' woman out of her car at gun point, antagonising her even further. This matter could've been resolved without someone ending up dead. 

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 05:24 AM

Police officers are supposed to be people with a lot of common sense and quick thinking abilities. These were obviously not them, or they have just been trained poorly without any instruction on learning to think for themselves and do things smartly before resorting to shooting at people.

Shoot the f*cking tires if they stop, or surround them so they don't simply reverse out of the situation and cause more havoc, imbeciles.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 06:17 AM

I guess they were not trained to use spike strips or a pit maneuver or something to try and stop the car? No, rather use deadly force and shoot the woman in front of her child!!! Who cares if the child gets hit too, right?

"No finer example of professionalism and bravery" LOL

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 07:06 AM

lol shooting tires

 

Not sure what was wrong with this woman, but I find it hard to feel sympathy for a woman who would do something like this with a child in the car.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 07:07 AM

So on to the unavoidable argument about guns in US. This is basically why we need them. Our cops are incompetent. I mean, totally. Even the ones in D.C., charged with protecting security of the Capitol, can't detain an unarmed woman without turning it into a bloodbath.

 

Doesn't that beg the question "why don't you just get better cops"? ;)


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:37 AM Edited by lil weasel, 04 October 2013 - 09:20 AM.

More like we need background checks on applicants for driver licenses.

So, the F.B.I. and Secret Service were disappointed when they tore apart her home and couldn't find any evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction, child porn, or drugs. But there is still hope that something will be 'found' when they finish analyzing her hard drive. 

Imagine, chasing everyone out of a housing complex and sending the Hazmat dressed people to terrorize the residents. Why? Because they can...


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:41 AM

Did they have to shoot and kill her? I know she was probably considered a national threat atm, but a simple pit maneuver and spike strips probably would have done the job anyway. Leave it to US officers and agents to respond with unnecessary brutal force. 

You don't f*ck around with the security on Capitol Hill. She injured two officers of the law and endangered who knows how many other innocent people. Consider that maybe she wasn't a random crazy. Consider she had a bomb in her car or on her person.

 

The cops didn't shoot immediately. They chased her out the wazoo before finally opening fire after repeated attempts to get her to stop. Her death isn't on the cops; it's on her. And now because of her stupid actions involving the law, that one year old (assuming it's her child) is now without a mother.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:54 AM

As if they shot at a car with a 1 y/o in it


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 01:23 PM

So on to the unavoidable argument about guns in US. This is basically why we need them. Our cops are incompetent. I mean, totally. Even the ones in D.C., charged with protecting security of the Capitol, can't detain an unarmed woman without turning it into a bloodbath.

 
Doesn't that beg the question "why don't you just get better cops"? ;)


We should. And to do that, we need to start with better government and better education system. And when we have that, we might not even need guns, in public hands or for street cops. Though, if we ever get there, we'll probably also find that harm caused by firearms is also way down and it might not even be an issue.

But even being optimistic, this is a long term plan. In the mean time, we have incompetent police force in most places, and right to bear arms comes handy.
 

She injured two officers of the law and endangered who knows how many other innocent people.

Are you sure about that? With as much spin as being put into it, I have never heard any official statement that she injured them. Just that two policemen were injured. Are you sure they didn't just crash into some bit of public property while giving chase?

There is the video of the first time she stopped and got surrounded by cops. Second time police opened fire on a stopped vehicle, so this seems like the only time she could have injured someone, and I don't see anyone getting hurt.

It's also clear from that video that cops opened fire when they really shouldn't have. When rather than do something useful, they endangered general public more than she ever did.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 05:23 PM

Cops "are invincible, whom you must obey."

Who else would step in front of a 2000+ pound motor vehicle and expect that the operator will immediately halt.

When the driver doesn't stop then they have an excuse to use deadly force.

The idea of using 'spike strips' and  the idea of using the 'pit maneuver'?

Are great on the open road. These are urban streets. What would be the result of a speeding vehicle that suddenly loses traction? How is a chasing vehicle going to get in position to 'pit'? Unless the streets where cleared (Boston style) there is more chance of collateral damage from the 'stop at all cost' action. Maybe the D.C. needs (air raid type) warning sirens to get people into shelter during this type of escapade? Now, there's an idea. Put localized sirens on street corners. Any time there is a disturbance the public can be alerted to take cover/get off the street, et cetera.

The 'Bonny & Clyde" murder of the woman is typical of the retro thinking of cops these days, or is it?

The car might have been a bomb. There was no child in the car as far as the cops are concerned, and if there was it shouldn't matter.

Remember, these guys are there to protect the President, all others be damned. No different than the Schutzstaffel of a previous world government. (However, some of these 'protectors' should be sacked immediately if it is true that they were on the job as unpaid volunteers, which is strictly anti-union.)


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 07:50 PM

Who else would step in front of a 2000+ pound motor vehicle and expect that the operator will immediately halt.

Sure, here is just one example. A group of Russian activists stop cars driving on sidewalks to avoid traffic jams. They simply step in front of the moving vehicle and try to get the driver to stop. Some people stop, some do not, as you can see. These guys are unarmed volunteers, and they still get results.

When the driver doesn't stop then they have an excuse to use deadly force.

Watch the video. Watch at what point they start firing the first time. This isn't using deadly force to stop the vehicle. It's shooting at a vehicle that's driving off from a distance that makes a critical hit almost impossible and endangering other people in the process. Odds of them hitting a random person with a stray shot were higher than of her running anyone over.

As for the second time they opened fire, we have no video, but by all reports the car was already stopped. It crashed and was immobile. Got surrounded by the police and shot the hell out of.

At absolutely no point were the police using deadly force to stop a vehicle.

Please, learn some of the details of the incident before getting involved in an argument.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:57 PM

What zealot civilians do is their business. I am talking about the God Complex that a few Officers have. A normal person will step out of the way, these GC Cops stand their ground and then accuse the driver of attempting to kill them, even when the driver attempts to evade by driving around.

 

The shooting at a fleeing felon (who might be driving a bomb car) would be expected. These Cops are there to Protect the President and if possible any government infrastructure as a second thought.

 

Chance of hitting a Random person… Stray shot?

They are supposed to be trained to use firearms. It is not a Random person, nor are aimed discharges stray shots.

When defending the President, all others be damned if they get in the way.

Granted that it is difficult to shoot at a moving object and that very few departments allow that kind of training.

The TV video I saw showed the car at 90 degrees to the street with its nose against a concrete pillar. Why the cops did a ‘Bonnie and Clyde’ on her is the excuse that the car might be a bomb and they intended to not allow a final infernal action because she was trapped and had no better target.

 

Shooting at the driver of a fleeing vehicle isn’t using deadly force?

Argument? I am presenting a view from what I have seen, heard, and read.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:04 PM Edited by Irviding, 04 October 2013 - 09:08 PM.

I lost the post I wrote, but mainly in response to K2-

 

The idea of shooting the tires is ludicrous and I'm surprised someone with your level of education does not know this. First off, in this case, the vehicle was being used as a weapon. Plain and simple - she was trying to run people over with it. Procedure for law enforcement when a vehicle is being used as a weapon is to incapacitate the driver. When you shoot out the tires, the vehicle is still moving. And I don't know if you've ever been to where this happened, but it is is a VERY small swathe of street. I live in Washington, and was in class about a mile from where this happened - the area we're talking about is a few hundred feet. The vehicle would still be moving if you shot out the tires. Secondly, these tires ain't getting "shot out". Synthetically wrapped tires aren't just going to blow up when you fire a 9mm bullet at them. Ask any law enforcement expert if it is good procedure to "shoot tires out", especially infront of the White House or infront of the Capitol.

 

Second, these officers almost 100% assumed that this vehicle was carrying a bomb, or that the woman was carrying a bomb on her person. She was trying to plow through the barricade in the section of Pennsylvania Avenue infront of the White House, and when that didn't work out she started driving at the Capitol building. Any officer in his/her right mind responsible for protecting these two key structures would've made the assessment that the vehicle was hot. 

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:53 PM

Second, these officers almost 100% assumed that this vehicle was carrying a bomb, or that the woman was carrying a bomb on her person.

I thought we all were taught the dangers of assumptions in elementary school.

 

As much as I don't agree with the actions and the outcome, I'm willing to accept it.  It just boils down to a tragic event... that just so happened to have unfolded on Pennsylvania Ave.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 10:24 PM Edited by StingrayX, 04 October 2013 - 10:24 PM.

Typical Infiniti driver. :p This is so messed up though.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 10:42 PM

You don't f*ck around with the security on Capitol Hill. She injured two officers of the law and endangered who knows how many other innocent people. Consider that maybe she wasn't a random crazy. Consider she had a bomb in her car or on her person.

What you're basically saying here is that "shoot first, ask questions later" is a valid police tactic. Brilliant.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 10:52 PM

 

Second, these officers almost 100% assumed that this vehicle was carrying a bomb, or that the woman was carrying a bomb on her person.

I thought we all were taught the dangers of assumptions in elementary school.

 

As much as I don't agree with the actions and the outcome, I'm willing to accept it.  It just boils down to a tragic event... that just so happened to have unfolded on Pennsylvania Ave.

 

These are different kinds of assumptions, Trip. We're talking about a vehicle trying to violently ram through the barricade that protects the swathe of Pennsylvania Avenue infront of the White House. What would you assume as an officer stationed there? That she made a wrong turn?


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 11:07 PM Edited by trip, 04 October 2013 - 11:08 PM.

 

 

Second, these officers almost 100% assumed that this vehicle was carrying a bomb, or that the woman was carrying a bomb on her person.

I thought we all were taught the dangers of assumptions in elementary school.

 

As much as I don't agree with the actions and the outcome, I'm willing to accept it.  It just boils down to a tragic event... that just so happened to have unfolded on Pennsylvania Ave.

 

These are different kinds of assumptions, Trip. We're talking about a vehicle trying to violently ram through the barricade that protects the swathe of Pennsylvania Avenue infront of the White House. What would you assume as an officer stationed there? That she made a wrong turn?

 

I know I know I know.  If I were a cop there I would assume the worse too.  Pre 9-11 I bet there would have been a completely different outcome.   It sucks that the US has a new, nervous edge to get used to.

 

Tragic mistake in identification events happen all the time.  You live in DC so I'm sure you get enough local coverage of people being shot by cops and all those fun city crime things.  Happens here almost daily.  The world doesn't hear about local crazy guy ,Jay Jay Walker, sitting on his front porch taking off his black sock.   A black sock that cops mistook for a gun...and since he was 'crazy guy' - they assumed the worse and shot him.  How about the dude working on his car?  Cops thought his wrench was a gun - he was known to be an angry man - they shot him.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 11:33 PM

Second, these officers almost 100% assumed that this vehicle was carrying a bomb, or that the woman was carrying a bomb on her person.

Lets assume that. Why the hell where they just standing around the car like a bunch of idiots when she was actually stopped, then opened fire, not as she was driving off, but once she opened up some distance.

Again, watch the video. Tell me that the actions are in any way defensible as competent ones.

Deadly force is fine. I am not complaining about the driver getting killed. I'm complaining about how it happened. If they were going for the kill, she should have been dead the first time car stopped. The part we see on the video. Instead, she was killed after the car crashed and was no longer a threat.

The idea of shooting the tires is ludicrous and I'm surprised someone with your level of education does not know this.

It is ludicrous as means of stopping a car. It is extremely useful if you are planning to give chase. If you are going to try and kill the driver, do it right away. If you are going to try and take the driver alive by forcing a crash, shooting the tires when you have an opportunity will make it easier.

What was done instead is a disgrace. They opened fire when they had no chance of hitting the driver and every chance of hitting someone else. They did not use lethal force when they actually had an opportunity to end it without a major chase, and they had an opportunity for taking driver alive if they chose not to. They did neither of these things. They have further endangered the citizens of D.C. as well as killed the troubled individual. Again, if they did the later, but also did their job properly, there would not be a complaint on my part. They failed on absolutely every level. I could forgive killing the driver on the spot to ensure safety of everyone else, and I could forgive taking some risks to try and take the driver alive. Both of these are commendable in some way. I could not forgive total incompetence, and that's all that has been displayed.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 11:44 PM

Lets me sleep easier knowing Canadian Police are not remotely as bad..





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