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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:12 PM

Is a "gay homo" a................ hetero?


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:13 PM Edited by Matta G, 02 October 2013 - 09:30 PM.

Mr. Wuggy, just playing devil's advocate here, but aren't personal traits purely subjective in terms of what is desirable and what is not?

 

Edit: Also, despite the fact that I have no problem with LGBT folks, are people not allowed to disagree with their lifestyle or choices?  Does that make them bigots or <insert descriptor here>-phobes?  A perfect example would be that gay blogger guy asking the beauty pageant contestant her opinion on gay marriage. She said she disagreed with it.  He, and the rest of the liberal media, immediately raked her over the coals.  The appearance of choice was there, but in reality there is only one opinion that various people were willing to accept.  To not make that choice made her a bigot.  And although I strongly support gay marriage, it really pissed me off that they baited her into a giant trap, the escape from which was the "PC" answer.  For her to be honest about her feelings, whether they were based on her own moral compass, her religion, or whatever, made her a bigot. I can only imagine her frustration and confusion.  (I often find myself in the same situation with my wife...Do I look fat in this?  Come on, we ALL know there is only one "correct" answer to that question....But you get my point.

 

Essentially, by forcing the "correct" views on someone, you think you are "educating" them, but in reality you are only dictating your own subjective morality upon them.  You then become no better than the bigots.  To not like someone or disagree with their lifestyle choices is not bigotry.  It's when you force your own world view upon them and put them down because of it.  Which many so-called "open-minded" people do on a daily basis when you disagree with them.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:13 PM

Such bullsh*t, transexuals (especially transexual hookers) are a common sight in some parts of west hollywood and i'm in no doubt that these same people would be the ones bemoaning their absense if they hadn't been included.

 

Also it is always by failing to contextualise the dialogue, or the GTA universe in general that these "outrages" always occur...


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:29 PM

I can't believe how people pick and choose what can and can't be made fun of. I don't care WHAT you are, you have to learn that this type of joke is not meant to demonize, portray types badly, or to enforce stereotypes. It's meant to be a DAMN JOKE! People love to pick and choose what is and isn't crossing the imaginary boundary line. I don't care if the game made jokes about me personally and everybody I've ever known. Because you know what? It's satirical comedy, one of the best forms imo. Mockery of all people is something that all people can enjoy, if you just lighten the f*ck up.

To sum it up, I guarantee you there isn't a secret evil lair of R* employees plotting to oppress transgender people by putting in an insignificant character in the game that most people don't even see.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:34 PM

Need more. I love seeing over sensitive, politically correct people being annoyed over basically nothing.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:37 PM

When I was 17 I was caught on all fours, panting and wearing a dog collar (Im Trans-species BTW, the species I identify with is canine)
 
It was awkward to say the least.
 
Fortunately my mother didn't see or hear the porn I was watching at the same time.
 
Oh, FYI I am not attracted to dogs, I am a dog.

You are not a dog, you are mentally ill.
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:40 PM

 

When I was 17 I was caught on all fours, panting and wearing a dog collar (Im Trans-species BTW, the species I identify with is canine)
 
It was awkward to say the least.
 
Fortunately my mother didn't see or hear the porn I was watching at the same time.
 
Oh, FYI I am not attracted to dogs, I am a dog.

You are not a dog, you are mentally ill.

 

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:40 PM

As a gay man with several trans friends I'm absolutely fine with this, as would my trans friends be.

I have a sense of humour, my friends have a sense of humour and so do Rockstar apparently. This series is full of satire, I couldn't understand if people were offended by it.

Exactly. I honestly want to know what the problem is. Transfenders, whoops, I mean transgenders exist in the real world & are depicted in this game. They aren't being derogatory about them, or making fun of them. 

 

Honestly, it's like some people go out of their way to be offended & in the process, do more harm than good.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:47 PM


 

When I was 17 I was caught on all fours, panting and wearing a dog collar (Im Trans-species BTW, the species I identify with is canine)
 
It was awkward to say the least.
 
Fortunately my mother didn't see or hear the porn I was watching at the same time.
 
Oh, FYI I am not attracted to dogs, I am a dog.

You are not a dog, you are mentally ill.
 
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People like you are absolute morons. There clearly is something wrong with someone who thinks they are a dog. So instead of going out of your way to be so accepting and sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, why not help people like this seek help.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:51 PM

 

Ummmm... wtf is the point of this?  Its a very accurate representation of what most trannies look like.  If they had a phobia, they wouldn't have them in the game at all.  There is a trans at my school, I think he is in the process of becoming a she, and that is fairly close to what he looks like...  a 50/50 mix, with too much makeup and a very manly face...


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:53 PM

Golly gee wilickers,  who would've thought criminals would be so disrespectful?


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:54 PM

Transgendered and furries are typically people who had some sort of trauma in childhood to make them completely disassociate with their sex.  Both  facilities completely made up by 20th century society.

 

I'm a liberal, I vote democrat, and even I cannot stand this Transgendered agenda being shoved down my throat.  We do not need an extra bathroom, we do not need to let every crazy that thinks theyre an X trapped in a Ys body flip their gender, and we do not need to acknowledge them as deserving of special treatment (other than therapy).  Just like the Tranny who won prom or homecoming or some High School BS that was in the news recently.  Good job telling all the girls in your school that you think a chick with a dick is hotter than all of them.  What an uncomfortable age we're ushering in.

 

I can accept some people might be born gay, because some are born straight.  I cannot, and will not accept some attention whore claiming their hairy ass was supposed to be a girl. 

 

Call me a bigot, intolerant, or what have you, but im a naturalist at heart.  And that sh*t is not natural.

 

OT: If GTA doesn't piss someone off, offend someone, or disturb someone, its lost its touch.  People in my party go way to far out of their way to be offended on behalf of other people.  TS of all people want to be as far under the radar as possible.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:54 PM

 

So murder, mindless destruction, bank robbing, foul language, necrophelia and everything else in GTA V is fine with you, but have a shemale in the game and suddenly you've gone to far?

 

 

For f*cks sake...

The important point is this is an erroneous depiction of trans people who are a marginalised group and perpetuates pernicious stereotypes.

 

 

I'd say Rednecks (sorry, "rural Americans") are a pretty marginalised group overall and they get utterly slated throughout the whole game.  Are you also offended by this?  

 

My bet is you're not simply because you're likely of a different political / social leaning to them and therefore their plight and feeling don't matter. 

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:56 PM

By the way, that feminist c*ntjob in the OP's post needs a slap. All feminist have vile personalities, are delusional and generally ugly.

I once saw a feminist say males can't experience gender discriminsation, that's how delusional they are.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:57 PM

By the way, that feminist c*ntjob in the OP's post needs a slap. All feminist have vile personalities, are delusional and generally ugly.

I once saw a feminist say males can't experience gender discriminsation, that's how delusional they are.

 

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:57 PM Edited by Rafe, 02 October 2013 - 10:03 PM.

First of all these look like men wearing women's clothing. One of them has a beard and chest hair. I imagine the same audio file plays when commenting about laser hair removal. Wouldn't a person male with gender dysphoria use a razor at that point to get rid of unwanted male pattern hair ?

 

Also GTA reflects and satirizes reality. Many transexuals or crossdressors do work in the sex industry because that is the only work they can get. Exploitation and marginalization should be emulated in GTA's universe.

 

Those with gender identity issues that manage to pass as female, god knows the ones in this picture do not, are not going to be running around commenting about how they used to be men to micheal, frank, and Trevor. They would shut their mouth and live as women and men and you just wouldn't notice them unless you looked for big hands and feet or adam's apple.

 

Also isnt' one of the strippers at Vanilla unicorn a shemale ? I think you can even take her into the back room. That is another dimension to this particular issue i didn't see discussed here. In fact that stripper is more representative of this intersex dimension than these crossdressors. These look like grown men, with pretty broad shoulders, that are just wearing woman's clothing. Shouldn't that itself indicate that they are not that committed to attempting to approximate the female morphology  and thus are just gay men. In this sense i don't think mocking them as trannies is relevant as the stripper at Vanilla Unicorn is more representative of that community. 

 

Also what sort of monologue can these pedestrians have? It appears to me the joke is that tehy are overly masculine yet wearing woman's clothing so already there is a visual mockery of the state of affairs. Why not respond to their hyper-masculinization, which is visually represented to the same magnitude as those statements. What statements would you have written for them that would be funny bits a Frank or Trevor might hear as theyy are passing on foot.?


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:57 PM

Our society has become a bunch of pussies. Holy sh*t. Can't even make jokes about anything anymore without offending some "protected group". What a joke.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:58 PM

 

 

So murder, mindless destruction, bank robbing, foul language, necrophelia and everything else in GTA V is fine with you, but have a shemale in the game and suddenly you've gone to far?

 

 

For f*cks sake...

The important point is this is an erroneous depiction of trans people who are a marginalised group and perpetuates pernicious stereotypes.

 

 

I'd say Rednecks (sorry, "rural Americans") are a pretty marginalised group overall and they get utterly slated throughout the whole game, reinforcing the stereotypes surrounding this group.  Are you also offended by this?  

 

My bet is you're not simply because you're likely of a different political / social leaning to them and therefore their plight and feeling don't matter. 

 


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:58 PM

Tranny is just a fashion there just attention seekers

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:58 PM


By the way, that feminist c*ntjob in the OP's post needs a slap. All feminist have vile personalities, are delusional and generally ugly.

I once saw a feminist say males can't experience gender discriminsation, that's how delusional they are.

 
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:17 PM

How can somebody be offended by the trannies in the game? It's purely for the fun factor and shouldn't be taken as an offense. 


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:19 PM

s/he looks about accurate to what they look like, so what's the problem?


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:25 PM

So murder, mindless destruction, bank robbing, foul language, necrophelia and everything else in GTA V is fine with you, but have a shemale in the game and suddenly you've gone to far?

 

 

For f*cks sake...

This. This so hard.

 

Seriously, this game "pokes fun" at everything in society... nothing is off limits. Just because it's a "hot button issue" doesn't make it exempt from ridicule. Do you complain about jokes that sh!t all over Christian people? Tolerance is a two way street.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:40 PM Edited by CarLuver69, 02 October 2013 - 10:40 PM.

I hope most of the people who replied to this dumbass are just trolling...
 

sh*t is disgusting.

 

That's pretty awful. I wasn't aware that was in there.

 

It's like pure unapologetic hate speech. Can't even caulk that up to ignorance, it's like Rockstar is being antogonistic

 

despicable. Just what I expect in a GTA game. Hence why I don't buy any of them.

 
You know, I can understand if this was in a movie or something, or on television, but this is GRAND THEFT AUTO. The game itself is a huge controversy. If Rockstar ever were to dumb-down GTA and not be so offensive to people, it would lose its magic. Imagine GTA catering to every cry-baby that ever cried about being "hurt" by GTA - the game would suck.
 
I think these people are just attention whores. They're trying to stir up trouble so we look into them more and pay attention to them, because if you sit around NOT making a big controversy out of Rockstar...well, you're definitely not going to be in the spotlight. f*ck these people, stop giving them attention.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:51 PM

I like the ONE guy who is so upset that it's put in a comical light that he won't play GTA. I would kill myself if I was that thin skinned.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:53 PM

Mr. Wuggy, just playing devil's advocate here, but aren't personal traits purely subjective in terms of what is desirable and what is not?

 

Edit: Also, despite the fact that I have no problem with LGBT folks, are people not allowed to disagree with their lifestyle or choices?  Does that make them bigots or <insert descriptor here>-phobes?  A perfect example would be that gay blogger guy asking the beauty pageant contestant her opinion on gay marriage. She said she disagreed with it.  He, and the rest of the liberal media, immediately raked her over the coals.  The appearance of choice was there, but in reality there is only one opinion that various people were willing to accept.  To not make that choice made her a bigot.  And although I strongly support gay marriage, it really pissed me off that they baited her into a giant trap, the escape from which was the "PC" answer.  For her to be honest about her feelings, whether they were based on her own moral compass, her religion, or whatever, made her a bigot. I can only imagine her frustration and confusion.  (I often find myself in the same situation with my wife...Do I look fat in this?  Come on, we ALL know there is only one "correct" answer to that question....But you get my point.

 

Essentially, by forcing the "correct" views on someone, you think you are "educating" them, but in reality you are only dictating your own subjective morality upon them.  You then become no better than the bigots.  To not like someone or disagree with their lifestyle choices is not bigotry.  It's when you force your own world view upon them and put them down because of it.  Which many so-called "open-minded" people do on a daily basis when you disagree with them.

Not invariably no, but I understand your point. Some traits are objectively desirable.

 

I don't agree with forcing, as I think it's futile. What I like to do is make a compelling argument on why something is moral opposed to immoral.

I see the best in people and believe most people can be receptive, and just need to hear the rational argument.

 

A lot of repellant bigotry and intolerance in here. I know many awesome trans people who are subject to vitriol and derision every day because of their gender and no they did not grow up with abusive parents; what a deplorable insinuations.

Why is it anyone's business what someone's gender is? They deserve to be treated with respect and decency, like any other person.

Someone I wonder how people can be so devoid of empathy. Honestly, try to conceptualise a life where every day you were demonised for something out of your control.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:54 PM

I like the ONE guy who is so upset that it's put in a comical light that he won't play GTA. I would kill myself if I was that thin skinned.

A lot of people have really strong convictions and I admire that. Personally I'm more forgiving and think if Rockstar realised how hurtful this kind of stuff is, they'd reconsider incorporating it in the game.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 11:09 PM Edited by Khaos89, 02 October 2013 - 11:10 PM.


I like the ONE guy who is so upset that it's put in a comical light that he won't play GTA. I would kill myself if I was that thin skinned.

A lot of people have really strong convictions and I admire that. Personally I'm more forgiving and think if Rockstar realised how hurtful this kind of stuff is, they'd reconsider incorporating it in the game.
I sincerely hope they don't change their ways over a bunch of cry babies. Nothing about it is hurtful whatsoever to any sane person with a sense of humor.

Thank god the human race hasn't relied on these sorts of people throughout evolution, we'd have become extinct long ago.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 11:13 PM

Why are so many people offended by this? It's a joke not meant to be taken seriously This is Grand Theft Auto.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 11:15 PM

Transgendered and furries are typically people who had some sort of trauma in childhood to make them completely disassociate with their sex.  Both  facilities completely made up by 20th century society.

 

I'm a liberal, I vote democrat, and even I cannot stand this Transgendered agenda being shoved down my throat.  We do not need an extra bathroom, we do not need to let every crazy that thinks theyre an X trapped in a Ys body flip their gender, and we do not need to acknowledge them as deserving of special treatment (other than therapy).  Just like the Tranny who won prom or homecoming or some High School BS that was in the news recently.  Good job telling all the girls in your school that you think a chick with a dick is hotter than all of them.  What an uncomfortable age we're ushering in.

 

I can accept some people might be born gay, because some are born straight.  I cannot, and will not accept some attention whore claiming their hairy ass was supposed to be a girl. 

 

Call me a bigot, intolerant, or what have you, but im a naturalist at heart.  And that sh*t is not natural.

 

OT: If GTA doesn't piss someone off, offend someone, or disturb someone, its lost its touch.  People in my party go way to far out of their way to be offended on behalf of other people.  TS of all people want to be as far under the radar as possible.

"I'm a liberal, I'm all for letting people do what they want, unless I don't like it, in which case they shouldn't be allowed to do that"

 

If someone wants to wear a skirt and they have a dick, whether they chose to keep their dick or not, you don't actually get any say in what they can do with themselves, you little cryptofascist!





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