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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:40 PM Edited by Causton97, 30 September 2013 - 02:32 PM.

DISCLAIMER: This project is to be used strictly for research into the mechanics of the in-game stock market. Any financial gain made in GTA Online is purely coincidental. I do not accept any liability for losses made as a result of using the information in this project. Any investments made are at your own risk.

 

Here's the big unveil! I had wanted to save this until after the Pisswasser sell-off on Monday so as to allow us to focus on that. This is the first crack at an organization to allow for the planning and execution of future sell-offs. We'll analyze stocks of various companies and try to influence them. What with the imminent release of GTA Online, I thought it prudent to try to get something organized. 
 
Basically, I've spent today consulting various people (including 2405, the creator of the Pisswasser thread) about the possibility of creating a definitive 'GTAForums Insider Trading Hub' thread. He can't join due to personal commitments, but I have invited some of the most passionate people from the Pisswasser thread, most of which have been there from the start, to join together with me to create a management group that will maintain the thread and it's sub-threads.
 
Currently, users in the management/maintenance team are:
- Causton97
- Fxtrader
- SleightyCyrus
- Blakeney
- Monkeyy
- Kalikid707
- Krad Owen

- Pixelatic

- Avionyx

 

We will likely need more members in the management team due to the sheer amount of sub-threads that will be created. If anyone wants to get involved in helping to maintain things and can commit, then please pm me ASAP.
 

The Layout Plan

Here's a copy of what I sent via PM to Kirsty. This will hopefully give everyone an indication of the layout of the whole project thus far:

Right then, this is where things get complicated. I should warn you, the scope of this is huge, and the numbers might shock you.

 

I'll type up the post for you to place in the hub topic (it will be quite similar to the original post in my planning thread).

 

I'll also send a template post for you to place in each analysis and trading sub-topic. You'll just need to add the name of the company and platform where I leave a blank. In the case of the two discussion topics, I will send a separate template post.

 

I'll just bullet point things to make your life easier:

- If possible, the hub thread would need to be locked (the only problem is I would still need to be able to edit it) and pinned. The only topics that people will communicate in are the sub-topics. This will be entitled 'GTAForums Insider Trading Project Hub'

 

- There are 39 companies trading on the BAQSAQ stock market. That means that there will need to be two topics for each company (one for each platform), meaning that there will be a total of 78 analysis sub topics. (For example, 'Ammunation Analysis PS3' , 'Ammunation Analysis X360' etc.)

 

- An extra 78 trading sub-topics will need to be created, but they will have to be locked until such a time when one of my management team sends a private message requesting that you or one of the other mods unlock it for a sell-off to begin. That way they can be easily removed and replaced with another new locked one after the sell-off finishes.(For example, 'Ammunation Trading PS3', 'Ammunation Trading X360')

 

- There are a further 3 sub-topics that will need to be created. These will be entitled 'BAWSAQ Mechanics Discussion', 'Singleplayer Stock Market Discussion' and 'GTAForums Insider Trading Project Feedback Thread' 

 

- If my maths is correct, this amounts to a grand total of a whopping 159 sub-topics. 

 

I realise how time consuming this would be and I would be more than willing to do this myself, but I've got no idea about how I would go about creating an indexed topic. Also, creating each topic would cause the forum to be overloaded with these project-related threads. If you have any issues with this project now that you have some figures to go on, please let me know ASAP. I hope this cleared things up for you though.

 

Thanks,

 

Causton97

 

 
Basically, analysis threads are for looking back at how stock prices have changed. Trading threads are to be used during a planned sell-off (assuming that our Pisswasser sell-off indicates that we can influence the market by investing). The discussion threads are just to generally discuss how the respective markets work.
(The analysis and trading threads will likely end up applying to every company on the stock market, but that will mean a LOT of threads)
 

Whenever a member of the management team notices an opportunity for a planned sell-off, the OP of the hub thread will be updated with a large red alert so that you don't miss out, along with a link to the trading thread of the corresponding company. This trading thread will be locked after it finishes and the alert and link will be deleted from the OP. Sometimes there may be more than one sell-off occurring at once. When a new sell-off occurs using the same company as before, a new trading thread for that company will be created.

 

Anyway, let me know what you think. The planning is ongoing amongst us on the team. We'll be taking into account any and all feedback from this thread.

UPDATES:
 

Due to the huge interest in this project, we have created a 'GTAF Inside Traders' crew specifically to promote ourselves in GTA Online. We feel this name is professional and proudly shows that we represent this forum. The joining process is currently invite only so as to avoid a huge influx of members, causing us to hit the 300 player limit, but at this point in time, anyone is more than welcome to join, so long as they are a member of this forum and take an interest in the stock market.

Here is the link if you wish to join:
http://socialclub.ro..._inside_traders

 

We've been given the green light from Kirsty (one of the mods) and everything's good to go, so we can begin planning! Unfortunately, there isn't the possibility of a 'Stock Market' sub-forum being created quite yet. It is a major part of the game, but if it's given its own sub-forum, it could set a precedent for the creation of more sub-forums to be created, which is totally unnecessary. 

 

 

Extremely Important:
 

I briefly added a restriction on how much money we would invest. Now though, after a discussion with other users, I have decided to remove this restriction. However, we will still only be running mass sell-offs on a one week basis. This allows us to gain a lot of profit (especially if stock prices rise at the rate that Pisswasser currently is) in a relatively short amount of time.

 

If there are any problems that arise from this, I will not be held accountable, nor will this project or anyone contributing. I only ask that everyone please be considerate of other players at all times. Please also don't spend your money in a way that enables you to gain a huge advantage over other players. I am a huge promoter of fairness and balance in online games. I don't want lots of people complaining that someone has a distinct advantage over them. I ask that everyone be mindful of this when playing on GTA Online.

 

Thank you. :)

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:41 PM

Pin this thread!

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:45 PM

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:48 PM

You could create a SocialClub crew for this too (that way it's easier to team up with others when we're trying out the market manipulation).


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:49 PM

Lets dominate this sh*t, hopefully they remove the 2.1 billion cap for GTAO

 

Trust me, it can be done, so they should do it. We need to have a money leader boards (everything else has one) if money isn't actually going to matter much in GTAO.. 


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:50 PM

Now this does look interesting, could turn into a really useful topic.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:52 PM

I'll do that ASAP. If everyone is happy with me being the leader, then I'll be more than happy to go ahead with it. It was Blakeney's comment in my voting thread that spawned all of this along with 2045's Pisswasser thread, so I don't want to get the credit for their contributions.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:55 PM

Can't wait to see where this all leads. The results shown from our findings so far have been promising to say the least! Happy hunting my fellow traders.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:55 PM

Bring on the chaching.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:58 PM

I'll need Blakeney or someone else from the management team to create the crew as I already have my own. I'll pm details of the name that I would like it to be given. I would also appreciate it if I could be made a commissioner so that I can make any necessary changes and emblem updates. Thanks! :)


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:00 PM

I'll do that ASAP. If everyone is happy with me being the leader, then I'll be more than happy to go ahead with it. It was Blakeney's comment in my voting thread that spawned all of this along with 2045's Pisswasser thread, so I don't want to get the credit for their contributions.

Just do it, doesn't matter who is "the leader" of the group. You can simply set 2045 the highest rank possible and he'll have the same permissions you have AFAIK.

 

The whole "but he shouldn't lead it/I want to be leader" is kindergarden stuff anyways, one'd assume everyone on here is a grown man/woman capable of proper discussions/teamwork with enough common sense but that sadly isn't the case. I mean if you're passionate about it I don't see why you shouldn't be the one to create the crew, after all 2045 already said he can't actively manage it due to personal reasons.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:09 PM

The crew should now be in the process of being created. I'll make a formal announcement and update my original post when I have the link. Anyone is welcome to join as long as they are a member of these forums and are serious about what we're doing.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:11 PM

I think a Stock brokers crew would be a great idea and would love to join if one is created. I know Pisswasser is getting alot of attention but im loving my investment in HAL still!

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:13 PM

I think a Stock brokers crew would be a great idea and would love to join if one is created. I know Pisswasser is getting alot of attention but im loving my investment in HAL still!

 

That's precisely what this project is for. A stock broker crew (well, inside trading) crew is in the process of being created right now and you are more than welcome to join! :)


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:13 PM

sounds great, also it more or less puts rockstars money cards in to oblivion. kick it to the man.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:15 PM

I hope someone checks the SC website + IG site when we do the sell-out on monday (I'd do it myself but I probably can't). I really would like to know if this affects things and how it affects it until we eventually figure out how the stock market works. Maybe we can get R* to comment on this in the near future to give us more insight on what stuff exactly influences the market (apart from their destroy vehicles for insurance profit comment). Doubt it though.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:16 PM Edited by Causton97, 28 September 2013 - 11:20 PM.

sounds great, also it more or less puts rockstars money cards in to oblivion. kick it to the man.

 

It also makes them more valuable at launch... if Pisswasser continues to rise after the sell-off, anyone investing $1.25 million or more from purchasing them will make a huge return, making them even more attractive at launch. :/

 

That does of course assume that the money cards will be available at launch. It'll really unbalance the game. 

 

Edit - Guys, it's past midnight here in the UK, I'm going to catch some sleep. I also have A Level work to catch up on. I'll do what I can tomorrow, but it will have to take importance. I have planned this out so that I'll be able to commit to this. For anyone doubting, I know what I'm letting myself in for. That's why we have a large management team. I'll make the announcement of the crew's creation in the morning. I've messaged FXtrader with more instructions.  :)


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:17 PM

 

sounds great, also it more or less puts rockstars money cards in to oblivion. kick it to the man.

 

It also makes them more valuable at launch... if Pisswasser continues to rise after the sell-off, anyone investing $1.25 million or more from purchasing them will make a huge return, making them even more attractive at launch. :/

 

That does of course assume that the money cards will be available at launch. It'll really unbalance the game. 

 

haha true


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:18 PM

Can I suggest the name "Coffee is for Closers" for the crew name:P

 

I have not been as active in the monitoring of stock prices, though I had a thread more than a few days ago that detailed what 2405 is doing as a plan (Didn't implement it, cheers to him!) plus the addition of two other concepts to try. I would love to lead a group for experimenting on the other manipulative measures we could put into place, such as sabotaging and purchasing product.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:18 PM

Hi! I've been waiting for some organization to jump in here as far as manipulating the BAWSAQ. I've been hanging out and theorizing in r/GTAStocks in the mean time and I think I can bring something to the table. Pretty much all my speculation over the past two days has been spot on and I'd like to have more fruitful discussions about how the BAWSAQ works. The proof is the pudding.

 

http://www.reddit.co...ksAndBombsCrew/


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:18 PM

BORING


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:18 PM

sounds great, also it more or less puts rockstars money cards in to oblivion. kick it to the man.

LOL you are so right. Makes it way more fulfilling.  :sly:


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:29 PM

Last update from me tonight/this morning - The crew being created is somewhat more formal than what you're all suggesting. This is because we are representing this forum in GTA Online. I don't want us to come across as amateurs. We are professionals! ;)

 

The first ever properly structured and organized inside trading crew ever created! We want to make this right first time. Rockstar will remember us for this. We are making history here people. Just like 2045 did with his 'beta test' with the Pisswasser thread. Sorry for keeping the rest of the management team in the dark, but the messaging system on this forum makes it hard to keep track of things.

 

Goodnight everyone and continue posting, I look forward to reading your replies.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:55 PM

I'm going to have to pick out a really nice suit to match my Stock Broker tendencies.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:57 PM

A big thumbs up for having a trading hub sub forum.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 12:12 AM Edited by FXtrader, 29 September 2013 - 12:13 AM.

I'm going to have to pick out a really nice suit to match my Stock Broker tendencies.

 

we need tons of DLC like this just to spend our billions on :D

 

 

$10,000 suit? thats chump change (i think 10k is the most expensive suit in game currently)


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 01:16 AM

 

I'm going to have to pick out a really nice suit to match my Stock Broker tendencies.

 

we need tons of DLC like this just to spend our billions on :D

 

 

$10,000 suit? thats chump change (i think 10k is the most expensive suit in game currently)

 

Agreed some more suites would be nice. Looking promising seeing that we are already set to recieve free dlc - http://www.idigitalt...ckstar-free.htm


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:12 AM

I would definitely be interested in joining a crew related to stock trading, and I joined the forums specifically for this reason. I think its absolutely incredible how deep this game really is, and its fantastic that we are are the cusp of using it to our advantage!


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:36 AM

I have a crew with friends...but if be willing to work as a team to rule the market \m/

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:39 AM

Guys, just as a warning Rockstar made a comment about attempting to prevent stock market guiding a few days before the game was released. I highly doubt it will be bans or anything extreme, but I wouldn't invest every dollar you have if I were you. Chances are, Rockstar can change the market at any time if they want, and some of you might get zero'd out if you're not careful.

 

Just some friendly advice - carry on :)





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